NEW OLD CR250

sands-cr250
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Hello all!

I just got a 1992 CR250 and I am just as happy as when I was a kid. It's been well over 20 years since my last bike which was a 1989 RM125. I sold it back then because girls were important and picking them up for a date on my dirtbike didn't really cut it--many moons later, it seems girls aren't as important as they used to be (testosterone has decreased I guess), bought my first house, and now I have the space to rip around. I've been reading this forum for quite a while in anticipation of getting a bike and I appreciate all the good info from everyone's posts.

I wasn't sure if a 250 would be too big or not. I'm glad I was talked into getting a 250 instead. This 250 really reminds me of my old YZ80 I had as a kid. I loved that bike more than anything, super fast and easy to handle. The 125 never felt right to me--too big with no balls. This 250 picked up right where I left off with the 80, it screams!

I was told that the front shocks are from a 2007 CR250 and the back suspension has been upgraded as well. She's old but it looks like someone kept up with the maintenance. Starts on first kick, though keeping it idling while cold seems to be a bit of an issue. Haven't had the time yet to play with the carb and such, been busy ripping up my yard every night after work!

To complete my nostalgia I bought some Caster 927 like I used to run back in the day. that smell took me right back to the track.

I'm going to start restoring as I get the funds, at the moment I'm riding this thing everyday!

I've got more pics within my profile if anyone would like to check it.

-sands

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pete24
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its got an ohlins shock, but the forks are honda forks no newer than 96
sands-cr250
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Thanks Pete, I assumed the guy was making some stuff up, but it was close to home and I really wanted to buy it!

It seems to ride fine, though I do notice the front wheel jumping around when I'm hitting dirt clods in the field. I'm pretty small compared to the guy that had it too so who knows how it's setup, only had it for a few weeks, haven't had the time to check it all out thoroughly.

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Those are 46mm KYB front forks which Honda used on the CR250 for one year, 1996. Stock forks on the 92 were 43mm Showas.

The 46mm KYBs were used for years on Kawasakis, Yamahas and on the 01-03 RM250 (just with different lugs for the different brands). There are way more parts for the 46mm KYBs than you would be able to find for the original Showa forks so in that sense they are an upgrade.

The front axle went to 23mm in 95 so you have a later hub/wheel/rotor also.

The Ohlins IS a substantial upgrade over the stock 92 Showa shock. However all the suspension will almost certainly need servicing.

sands-cr250
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Those are 46mm KYB front forks which Honda used on the CR250 for one year, 1996. Stock forks on the 92 were 43mm Showas. The 46mm...
Those are 46mm KYB front forks which Honda used on the CR250 for one year, 1996. Stock forks on the 92 were 43mm Showas.

The 46mm KYBs were used for years on Kawasakis, Yamahas and on the 01-03 RM250 (just with different lugs for the different brands). There are way more parts for the 46mm KYBs than you would be able to find for the original Showa forks so in that sense they are an upgrade.

The front axle went to 23mm in 95 so you have a later hub/wheel/rotor also.

The Ohlins IS a substantial upgrade over the stock 92 Showa shock. However all the suspension will almost certainly need servicing.

Thank you for the information, that is great info to know, I will update my notes on these parts.

I also received this manual with the title. Really glad I got this too, been really handy to have around.




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Congrats on your purchase, there's tons of good information on this forum as you've seen already.
sands-cr250
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BS261 wrote:
Congrats on your purchase, there's tons of good information on this forum as you've seen already.
Thanks! and indeed there is.
sands-cr250
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New Fender Day!

Replaced the air filter as well. Found a few minor issues along the way but nothing major yet. I see the old fender has threaded inserts and the new one does not. I don't remember having to install them back in the day. Has it always been like this on replacement fenders?

Got some marine vinyl too. I'm going to attempt to make a seat cover. I'm hoping I can use the old one as a template and get it close with some heat, staples and a few Stags.







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Back fender installed. Really dig that there are inserts. I remember bolts sticking out with rusty washers--haha,



sands-cr250
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Looks like the fender that was on there was modified to fit too. Like I stated earlier about the forks: what I was told and what was actually on there was off and seems like whoever changed this fender had no clue either. Likewise I bought a fender for a 2007 not knowing that it wasn't a 2007. The holes line up, but I'm going to have to make some sort of cut out similar to the old one. One issue I see is that the plastic isn't very thick in that area so it might come through the other side. I could cut some spacers to move it down a bit. That might be the way to good, have to look at it later, pretty much really for bed.


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Looking good! The all-white makes a cool Honda of Troy vibe -- very clean.
sands-cr250
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Looking good! The all-white makes a cool Honda of Troy vibe -- very clean.
Rad, thanks man. I hope to start on the seat cover tonight. Eventually I will get around to the frame, but since it's spring and a new bike for me, I must ride!

I'm still using the old number plates on the sides. I gave them a good scrub with soft scrub with bleach and sanded them with wet/dry starting with 120 and ending with 600. Looks good to me for now, when I get some more cash I'll replace them, but they're good for this season. I did the radiator shrouds as well, I'll get to the tank eventually too, hopefully lighten it up a bit, eventually I'd like a new tank too.

-sands



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Good luck with the tinkering! I just restored a '92 and I think it turned out pretty well! My Resto

If you run into parts you can't find or need, let me know. I still have several and live right down the road from you in Saint Louis.
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Anaxdlere wrote:
Good luck with the tinkering! I just restored a '92 and I think it turned out pretty well! [url=http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Old-School-Moto,22/92-CR250-Close-to-a-lost-cause,1282910?exclusive_forum_user=false&page=1]My Resto[/url] If you run into parts you...
Good luck with the tinkering! I just restored a '92 and I think it turned out pretty well! My Resto

If you run into parts you can't find or need, let me know. I still have several and live right down the road from you in Saint Louis.
That's awesome! I was reading that post not long ago, great job btw, looks kick ass. Good to know we are close. I work in the city mon-fri.

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I've read that the Keihin PWK Airstriker is a direct plug and play replacement for the Keihin PJ that is on my bike, however when I search for one to buy I find there are some different model numbers that come up. How do I know what these numbers mean? At first I was thinking it was the main jet number, but after looking at my manual those numbers don't match up. Here is what I am speaking of:
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http://www.amazon.com/Keihin-016-167-38mm-Striker-Carburetor/dp/B00C178…

The numbers I am speaking of are the (016-167)

I'm going to tear it apart tonight hopefully and see what it actually has. I assume the 16, means 16mm for the float level, at least that's what it shows in the manual. The 167 and other various numbers I'm seeing on Amazon don't come close to the 175 main jet that my manual says the carb has.

Any ideas?
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>I've read that the Keihin PWK Airstriker is a direct plug and play replacement for the Keihin PJ that is on my bike

Yes, it is if you get the right carb. The one you want is the 2000 CR250 A/S. Service Honda has the lowest retail prices I know about.

I have done this swap to my '86, '87, '93, '95 and '01 CR250s. The advantages you get from this are: idle circuit (PJs don't idle), better low-mid transition, simplified jetting (in other words, set it once and done, and that's a big deal in the climate extremes of the part of Texas where I live), improved top-end, and in general, better gas mileage (because the PWK does a better job of fuel atomization).

It's possible you may have to jet the carb but considering that you are fortunately enough to still have the stock pipe, I doubt you would need to make major changes -- what I did was just take the jets from the PJ and swap them into the PWK. You can sell the PJ for about $50-60 on CL.

The PWK bolted up directly to my '93 and '95 with no other mods besides swapping over the jetting. Even the throttle cable works perfectly.

I have one of the Service Honda PWK A/S carbs, brand new in box in the sealed Honda Parts bag.

I planned on posting it on the Bazaar section for $100 including shipping. Let me know if you are interested, my Email is:

tiefehunde@gmail.com

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Sounds like you've been there and done that...

My CR must be no exception then, It runs great, starts great, does not idle. I have tried adjusting all the way out, all the way in, no dice. Every once in a great while it will idle for a bit after riding for a while, that's 1 out of 10 times.

The guy I bought it from, said to use Amsoil 50:1, but I had to buy the 927, I have it running at 32:1 which seems a bit on the rich side, maybe 40:1 might be better. Manual is saying 32:1 though.

I'm in the St. Louis area, where it's been nasty and cold for quite some time, doesn't seem like Spring wants to start. One day it's 70, the next it's 30. That's the Midwest for ya.

My Pipe is a black DG, with a nice dent in it, Is this stock? Probably be good for me to invest in a few different jet numbers given my location.

I'm definitely interested in that carb,





4/18/2016 8:22pm
will trade you a stock rear shock for that ohlins!!!!! haha great buy love getting little vintage jems like that on old bikes!
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will trade you a stock rear shock for that ohlins!!!!! haha great buy love getting little vintage jems like that on old bikes!
haha! thanks, loving this bike!
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Sands, let me know how you like the PWK.
Will do,

Ran the tracking number this evening-- hopefully have it tomorrow or Friday.


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Big thanks to barkhard696 for the super deal on the PWK Airstriker. Got her on today.






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I will say holy Sh!t that thing was a tight fit on the air filter side. Took the back end off to make it easier and had to lube it up a bit.

Got a new gas line from Auto Zone last night and it leaked everywhere, I assume the kid got me the wrong size. Went to the local auto parts store this morning and got a 1/4 ID and it fit nice but the hose was so stiff that it kinked the line bad. Finally found this one at Home Dumphole and it fits nicely, of course cost more than both of the other two put together.

Not sure if I have this correct, but I turned the bottom brass screw (Idle mixture?) in all the way and then backed it out two turns. I then rode the bike for a while, brought it back and adjusted the top screw with the spring on it (Idle Speed?)
until it ran on it's own. Is this correct?

-sands

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Sands, let me know how you like the PWK.
Yo sorry, forgot to quote this, so you probably never saw my reply.

Bike idles really well now. Not sure if I have it dialed in the best, but it's a huge improvement over the PJ.

Thanks man!

Big ups to barkhard696!
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Thanks, Sands! As you ride and get familiar with your bike, you'll find a lot of improved ways to tune it with the PWK. Enjoy bro!
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Those are 46mm KYB front forks which Honda used on the CR250 for one year, 1996. Stock forks on the 92 were 43mm Showas. The 46mm...
Those are 46mm KYB front forks which Honda used on the CR250 for one year, 1996. Stock forks on the 92 were 43mm Showas.

The 46mm KYBs were used for years on Kawasakis, Yamahas and on the 01-03 RM250 (just with different lugs for the different brands). There are way more parts for the 46mm KYBs than you would be able to find for the original Showa forks so in that sense they are an upgrade.

The front axle went to 23mm in 95 so you have a later hub/wheel/rotor also.

The Ohlins IS a substantial upgrade over the stock 92 Showa shock. However all the suspension will almost certainly need servicing.

I'm thinking it would be nice to have and extra set of rims and tires to swap out when this soft wet ground here in Illinois turns to hard concrete-like clay like it does ever year.

Since my front shocks are most likely off of a 96, what years can I look for for a hub/rim? My back has an Excel 19 inch rim too, For trails I wouldn't mind having an 18.

Any idears?

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Seeing your bike brings back memories.. I made my 92 white back in the day.. Did the frame Flo-red though. Opposite from the way they came stock. Best bike I ever owned by far.
Have fun with yours!


The next season I rebuilt the bike and painted the frame white again..


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