Help me spend money on my '80 cr250

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Edited Date/Time 8/27/2015 6:45am
It's arriving in about a week, Besides '83 forks what are some EVO race mods I should throw money at? Longer swingarm, shocks, motor mods?

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8/21/2015 3:22pm Edited Date/Time 8/21/2015 3:27pm
Did you get back with Hubbard for those forks?

And wheels Alex, wheels. Those original Honda hoops crack and flat spot like nobodies business. Buchanan's for dimpled Excels or non dimpled Suns with heavy duty stainless spokes AND STAINLESS nipples. Motion Pro Lite Lok rim locks , tubes, tires, bearings and shoes. Go ahead and get the hubs and backing plates powder coated low gloss black.

The engines in those are pretty much low end/midrange. You might dig around and see what kind of input you can get on getting a little more out of it as you may be a bit disappointed to say the least.
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8/21/2015 3:29pm Edited Date/Time 8/21/2015 3:31pm
LOL at FTE. Next he is going to post up that $1600.00 alloy fuel tank!

I can help you a little with those $1500.00 Works Performance Pro Racer shocks.
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about $250 in gas would make it faster than any parts you throw on it

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[url=http://blog.livedoor.jp/vmxholly/archives/4924301.html]http://blog.livedoor.jp/vmxholly/archives/4924301.html[/url] [img]https://livedoor.blogimg.jp/vmxholly/imgs/3/5/35ccdfbe.jpg[/img]
$250 in gas will help but that's not the point now is it? If I was just concerned with going faster I'd get something with brakes.

The forks went elsewhere when I forgot to get them at Unadilla.

Nice link but I barely read English.......

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8/21/2015 4:42pm Edited Date/Time 8/21/2015 4:44pm
Ok, my fault. You said "race mods". So I just assumed you wanted to "go faster".
Don't really know what you mean about getting something with brakes, though.
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justnusn wrote:
about $250 in gas would make it faster than any parts you throw on it
Since you started an account to make such an astounding first post, please continue about this gas.
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Sweet, I was watching that bike for a while. Just too many other projects going, or it would have been sitting in my garage. Congrats, looks like a nice low hour bike. I am jealous.
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You're right. I did. Been lurking around for a while though, without making an account. But I did today because so many guys think that the right part, or the right amount of money can "make you faster". When the best amount of time is spent on the rider. And it's almost free.
But, as I said before, if that's not the case, then my bad. He wants it for looks? Cool. It's his bike and a free country. Go for it.
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8/21/2015 5:33pm Edited Date/Time 8/21/2015 5:35pm
justnusn wrote:
You're right. I did. Been lurking around for a while though, without making an account. But I did today because so many guys think that the...
You're right. I did. Been lurking around for a while though, without making an account. But I did today because so many guys think that the right part, or the right amount of money can "make you faster". When the best amount of time is spent on the rider. And it's almost free.
But, as I said before, if that's not the case, then my bad. He wants it for looks? Cool. It's his bike and a free country. Go for it.
Have you ever ridden a 78-80 CR250 with 12 inch travel 37mm diameter forks and shocks that hardly work? Going through the rough with handlebars full lock to the right and the front wheel going left would not be too far off the mark! Laughing

Honda spent a ton to build a works replica and had to skimp somewhere. Unfortunately they skimped on suspension and rims.

Besides, Spartacus is 58 years old and I doubt he is concerned with being overly fast. Building a trick as shit Elsinore is a true form of therapy.
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8/21/2015 5:51pm Edited Date/Time 8/21/2015 5:59pm
justnusn wrote:
You're right. I did. Been lurking around for a while though, without making an account. But I did today because so many guys think that the...
You're right. I did. Been lurking around for a while though, without making an account. But I did today because so many guys think that the right part, or the right amount of money can "make you faster". When the best amount of time is spent on the rider. And it's almost free.
But, as I said before, if that's not the case, then my bad. He wants it for looks? Cool. It's his bike and a free country. Go for it.
newmann wrote:
Have you ever ridden a 78-80 CR250 with 12 inch travel 37mm diameter forks and shocks that hardly work? Going through the rough with handlebars full...
Have you ever ridden a 78-80 CR250 with 12 inch travel 37mm diameter forks and shocks that hardly work? Going through the rough with handlebars full lock to the right and the front wheel going left would not be too far off the mark! Laughing

Honda spent a ton to build a works replica and had to skimp somewhere. Unfortunately they skimped on suspension and rims.

Besides, Spartacus is 58 years old and I doubt he is concerned with being overly fast. Building a trick as shit Elsinore is a true form of therapy.
But more expensive than hookers and blow.

Bike with brakes = disk brakes.

Haven ridden moto off and on for over 43 years I'm not sure more practice would make me faster anyway. Welcome to Vitalmx though.

Chrisg19, I was surprised that bike was for sale as long as it was, not a lot of them available that I could find. I got them down on price too.

What year/model forks, i.e. '83 and....? Are the 480, 250 and 125 forks the same in the model years that I want?





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Am I in the twilight zone? Or taking crazy pills? I said "my bad". Twice. None of that was said at the beginning. Just "help me spend money on Evo race mods".
Yes, I've ridden a '79 250 Elsinore
I know it's therapeutic. The only reason I'm here is to get more tips on building and maintaining my '76 250 Elsinore. Plus, I like knowing there are more people out there who, like me, still enjoy "the old days" and the bikes that fueled all the fun back then.
Lastly, if you've been around long enough, you hear that stuff i was talking about: guys throwing parts at their bike to "Go fast". And if you know enough, you know that spending time on the rider is the most important "mod" a person could make.
Now, that wasn't the case here, and I acknowledged that.
So maybe, we could just drop it and go back to what brought us to the forum in the first place?
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Spartacus, thank you for your welcome.
It really is a great looking bike.
And I see what you mean about the brakes. But if we all wanted THAT, we wouldn't be in this section of the forum. Hahaha.
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Spartacus wrote:
It's arriving in about a week, Besides '83 forks what are some EVO race mods I should throw money at? Longer swingarm, shocks, motor mods? [img]http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab304/AlecSpa/Screen%20Shot%202015-07-21%20at%207.03.07%20PM_zpsf4vvj49u.png[/img]
It's arriving in about a week, Besides '83 forks what are some EVO race mods I should throw money at? Longer swingarm, shocks, motor mods?

Nice bike, I am jealous. Wink
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8/21/2015 9:53pm
82-83 250/480 forks if you want to stay with a front drum brake. 87-89 for a disk brake. Fox factory shocks all the way and an alloy swingarm. PVL ignition to wake up the motor and just ride it like you stole it. The 1980 CR 250 is a great bike for any vintage racer that is looking for a solid starting point.
8/22/2015 12:58am



How far do you want to go?....

A 1" longer alloy swing arm and decent shocks are by far the best "single hit" up-grade you can make. (Ohlins, Works Performance, Reiger, NOT Fox, they were good back in the day but compared to anything modern they are very dated)

The stock forks are spindly and flex like cheese strings but they do work quite well. 43mm forks are a great up grade so long as you slide them through the clamps far enough. They are a lot longer than the originals so it can really mess up the handling if you don't set them right. The 43mm clamps also move the bars back, which is a little weird especially if you are used to modern bikes or tall. That's why I made billet clamps to sort out the bar position.
The '83 DLS front brake is the best you will get. It has to be set up right though or it will not work.... at all.

The motors are actually very strong and don't need a lot doing to them. They produce just as much powere as the '79's they just do it smoothly with a less pronounced "hit". They tail off about 1000rpm earlier as well, but they are easier to ride than the 78/79's. A 38mm flat slide off a later CR helps with the top end and intital throttle response.

They do vibrate a lot,so keep on top of the engine mount bolts and swing arm pivot. I've fitted a '79 head and a head steady (plus some extra frame bracing) to reduce any vibration induced damage.

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8/22/2015 3:52pm Edited Date/Time 8/22/2015 4:33pm
justnusn wrote:
You're right. I did. Been lurking around for a while though, without making an account. But I did today because so many guys think that the...
You're right. I did. Been lurking around for a while though, without making an account. But I did today because so many guys think that the right part, or the right amount of money can "make you faster". When the best amount of time is spent on the rider. And it's almost free.
But, as I said before, if that's not the case, then my bad. He wants it for looks? Cool. It's his bike and a free country. Go for it.
newmann wrote:
Have you ever ridden a 78-80 CR250 with 12 inch travel 37mm diameter forks and shocks that hardly work? Going through the rough with handlebars full...
Have you ever ridden a 78-80 CR250 with 12 inch travel 37mm diameter forks and shocks that hardly work? Going through the rough with handlebars full lock to the right and the front wheel going left would not be too far off the mark! Laughing

Honda spent a ton to build a works replica and had to skimp somewhere. Unfortunately they skimped on suspension and rims.

Besides, Spartacus is 58 years old and I doubt he is concerned with being overly fast. Building a trick as shit Elsinore is a true form of therapy.
Spartacus wrote:
But more expensive than hookers and blow. Bike with brakes = disk brakes. Haven ridden moto off and on for over 43 years I'm not sure...
But more expensive than hookers and blow.

Bike with brakes = disk brakes.

Haven ridden moto off and on for over 43 years I'm not sure more practice would make me faster anyway. Welcome to Vitalmx though.

Chrisg19, I was surprised that bike was for sale as long as it was, not a lot of them available that I could find. I got them down on price too.

What year/model forks, i.e. '83 and....? Are the 480, 250 and 125 forks the same in the model years that I want?





Nice bikes
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8/22/2015 4:56pm
I think I have a complete 1982 43mm front end and DLS hub off of a CR480. Let me dig.
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8/22/2015 6:15pm Edited Date/Time 8/22/2015 6:15pm
StevieD113 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/08/22/102380/s1200_10452308_10155478197915573_5538562786589179597_n.jpg[/img] How far do you want to go?.... A 1" longer alloy swing arm and decent shocks are by far the best "single hit" up-grade you...



How far do you want to go?....

A 1" longer alloy swing arm and decent shocks are by far the best "single hit" up-grade you can make. (Ohlins, Works Performance, Reiger, NOT Fox, they were good back in the day but compared to anything modern they are very dated)

The stock forks are spindly and flex like cheese strings but they do work quite well. 43mm forks are a great up grade so long as you slide them through the clamps far enough. They are a lot longer than the originals so it can really mess up the handling if you don't set them right. The 43mm clamps also move the bars back, which is a little weird especially if you are used to modern bikes or tall. That's why I made billet clamps to sort out the bar position.
The '83 DLS front brake is the best you will get. It has to be set up right though or it will not work.... at all.

The motors are actually very strong and don't need a lot doing to them. They produce just as much powere as the '79's they just do it smoothly with a less pronounced "hit". They tail off about 1000rpm earlier as well, but they are easier to ride than the 78/79's. A 38mm flat slide off a later CR helps with the top end and intital throttle response.

They do vibrate a lot,so keep on top of the engine mount bolts and swing arm pivot. I've fitted a '79 head and a head steady (plus some extra frame bracing) to reduce any vibration induced damage.

Stevie
I really like how the 79 125 tank looks on the 250 Cool
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8/24/2015 12:40am Edited Date/Time 8/24/2015 12:41am
with a stepped washer, the 86/87 internals will bolt right into those 83 forks and upgrade the action. Gold valves are available for the 86/87 cartridges too so they'll be even better. Definitely get Stevie's clamps - they are works of art.
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newmann wrote:
LOL at FTE. Next he is going to post up that $1600.00 alloy fuel tank! I can help you a little with those $1500.00 Works Performance...
LOL at FTE. Next he is going to post up that $1600.00 alloy fuel tank!

I can help you a little with those $1500.00 Works Performance Pro Racer shocks.
Hey, at least they have them ready to ship!
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8/24/2015 9:58am
newmann wrote:
LOL at FTE. Next he is going to post up that $1600.00 alloy fuel tank! I can help you a little with those $1500.00 Works Performance...
LOL at FTE. Next he is going to post up that $1600.00 alloy fuel tank!

I can help you a little with those $1500.00 Works Performance Pro Racer shocks.
Hey, at least they have them ready to ship!
What? No 22 month wait to get something built wrong???
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newmann wrote:
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My BFF!

Email or text me price details and I'll go find my ski mask and handgun.
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Spend your money on a Suzuki!

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