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1996 CR250 McGrath Replica Rebuild

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3/9/2012 8:49 PM

bradmx421 wrote: i will find out in a couple days i guess when all my plastics come in. the Fiche itself says Air Cleaner 92-96. the reason the part numbers are different in the two is because the earlier one you pick #2 on the Fiche and it comes with all the clips and everything. when you look at a 95 you pick #1 from the Fiche finder which does not come with the the clips. by looking at the two Fiches side by side on my computer they look identical aswell....but we will see in a couple days. my goal is to get the majority of this build done by the Two Stroke World Championships at Glen Helen on April 1st.. already ordered all the new plastics, and ordered the graphic kit(backgrounds and seat too) from Throttle Jockey. this bike is being purpose built to ride and race......once i strip it for powdercoat this week i will get started on motor teardown aswell and get my grind on with the porting and mill the head.

Just curious Brad, what graphics are you running from Throttle Jockey? Is it their 95er kit they have?

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3/10/2012 2:26 AM









Well this is my 96 project...Have it set up for the woods...have not powdered the frame yet and still looking for a set of new wheels...waiting for a steal...Picked up a brand new fmf fatty with pipe guard for $125 on ebay....put fastway pegs on, tall seat, throttle jockey graphics and seat cover, airbox decals, cleaned up the PC silencer and repacked it, clean all the aluminum brake parts, renthal twin walls CR high bends, applied racing triple clamp with vibration dampening tag bar mounts in +10mm, motor is solid and bike had rad valve and is jetted dead on...bike is very snappy...geared at `13/50...resprung the suspenison...Im 6'4" 235...so .48's up front and a 6.1 in the rear...bike had showa's on it when i bought it....by the way guys if your looking for oem fork seals...the 2008 crf450r seal are the same as off the 97-98 cr showa's....Im riding woods only with it and love it...the fmf Fatty made a huge bottome end improvement and still allows good over rev....Not trying to steal the thread but any more ideas of what I could do...I was thinking about throwing on and oversized tank and put the same graphics on the tank that are on now...i know I need a factory style pipe and the HRC clutch cover and ignition cover...anything else??

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3/10/2012 11:13 AM
Edited Date/Time: 3/10/2012 1:00 PM

MCfan4life wrote: Brad I have just wrapped my airbox in the 3M carbon wrap and it is a CU*T of a job!!!! I will get pics up soon.

I originally just had N-Style carbon look airbox decals on it. The 3M carbon wrap looks better but man, it will test your patience trying to install it....

Good luck!

thanks, im pretty good with graphics and seat covers and stuff like that, im pretty anal about perfection. lightspeed is also down the street from our shop and we do alot of stuff with them so i might go and see if i can sweet talk them into making a real carbon one. i know jeremy never ran a real carbon one.....but he should have.

On the Graphics i just ordered the 95er stuff from throttle jockey with the seat cover and backgrounds #1 with Jeremy's name on the tank


side question for you, i know your an expert on this bike. my '93 has an 18" rear wheel. what size rim did MC run in 95/96? i know the fiche says 19" but if i remember correctly he still ran an 18"...not too sure, i was only 15 years old(96)...but a major MC fan. One of my greatest memories, in 93 MC won his first SX at A1, the next night i won the 80cc 12-13 class at the Amateur supercross on the same but tamed-down track.

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3/10/2012 12:38 PM
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3/10/2012 1:41 PM

Ive seen a lot of guys say jeremy stuck with an 18" rear....I think if you look at some of the pics you can tell that his rear is an 18" ...appears to have more tire

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3/10/2012 2:03 PM

WOLFY83 wrote: Ive seen a lot of guys say jeremy stuck with an 18" rear....I think if you look at some of the pics you can tell that his rear is an 18" ...appears to have more tire

im hoping so, i already have an 18" silver excel on the bike....and to be honest 18" tires are cheaper so that would be a plus. i saved a set of 756's forever but the rear is a 19" so i will just put MX51's on them. i already have a few sets of the Dunlop tire logos..so im on the right track

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3/12/2012 2:44 AM

WOLFY83 wrote: Ive seen a lot of guys say jeremy stuck with an 18" rear....I think if you look at some of the pics you can tell that his rear is an 18" ...appears to have more tire

bradmx421 wrote: im hoping so, i already have an 18" silver excel on the bike....and to be honest 18" tires are cheaper so that would be a plus. i saved a set of 756's forever but the rear is a 19" so i will just put MX51's on them. i already have a few sets of the Dunlop tire logos..so im on the right track

Brad team Honda ran 19in rears on their factory bikes from about 1988/89 on, even though Honda didn't put it into production until 1995. Pretty sure MC always ran a 19in (but I can check). The 18in is heavier and weight is the mortal enemy of a factory SX bike.

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3/16/2012 2:10 AM

WOLFY83 wrote: Ive seen a lot of guys say jeremy stuck with an 18" rear....I think if you look at some of the pics you can tell that his rear is an 18" ...appears to have more tire

bradmx421 wrote: im hoping so, i already have an 18" silver excel on the bike....and to be honest 18" tires are cheaper so that would be a plus. i saved a set of 756's forever but the rear is a 19" so i will just put MX51's on them. i already have a few sets of the Dunlop tire logos..so im on the right track

MCfan4life wrote: Brad team Honda ran 19in rears on their factory bikes from about 1988/89 on, even though Honda didn't put it into production until 1995. Pretty sure MC always ran a 19in (but I can check). The 18in is heavier and weight is the mortal enemy of a factory SX bike.

Any word on the 18" or 19" rear wheel?

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3/16/2012 2:35 AM

bradmx421 wrote: im hoping so, i already have an 18" silver excel on the bike....and to be honest 18" tires are cheaper so that would be a plus. i saved a set of 756's forever but the rear is a 19" so i will just put MX51's on them. i already have a few sets of the Dunlop tire logos..so im on the right track

MCfan4life wrote: Brad team Honda ran 19in rears on their factory bikes from about 1988/89 on, even though Honda didn't put it into production until 1995. Pretty sure MC always ran a 19in (but I can check). The 18in is heavier and weight is the mortal enemy of a factory SX bike.

WOLFY83 wrote: Any word on the 18" or 19" rear wheel?

Actually yes. I got an email yesterday.

MC ran an 18in rear on very rare occasions. It was due to a factory Dunlop tyre that was only available in 18in. Other than that, he always ran a 19in.

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bradmx421

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3/16/2012 10:47 AM

very cool, thanks...... right now im crunched on time to get it done on time. so i will have to stick with the 18" for right now.glad that i was at least partially right that he ran an 18" ocasionally. im sure the MX51 that i put on will be better than the works tires of back then.

got it stripped to the frame now, one peg bracket is slightly bent so i have to take it to my frame guy and have him straighten it out a little then get it to powdercoat.

i scored a set of Pro Circuit engine covers on ebay, so im thinking im going to take the carbon fiber ones that i have on my '01 Cr250 and put on the '93. or just put the PC ones on...not too sure yet. its crazy how many years of CR's these covers fit

also scored a brand new AC racing aluminum subframe... i need to put it on the scale to see the weight savings. when the box came in it was so light i thought the box was empty. and my 96 airbox came aswell and i was very suprised how great of condition it was in.

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3/20/2012 2:02 AM
Edited Date/Time: 3/20/2012 2:03 AM

A minor update. I finally got the airbox covered in the 3M carbon decal and have re-installed it, the subframe, rear plastics, etc. I'm pretty fussy when it comes to these details and this was a f*cking nightmare of a job!!!







Just waiting on the new graphics now to finish it off. These are going to be a while though so I just have to wait patiently until they can be done. At least I know they will stand the test of time as far as quality goes and holding their colour. You can see in the above pics the decals are already a little off-colour and the bike hasn't even left the garage since they were installed! DJ has a set of 17 year old Throttle Jockey Team Honda decals that still look brand new!!!

I have a few minor jobs still to do like installing the chain, frame guards and skid plate, but they are all last minute installations.

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bradmx421

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3/20/2012 11:18 AM

looks really good!!! im wondering how that 3m carbon would hold up to heat on the silencer if the bike is ridden.

you should put one of those drilled out washers on the pipe mount bolt, like you have on the radiator.

do you plan on drilling and safety wiring everything?

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3/21/2012 7:37 PM

Brad the 3M carbon wrap is no different to a normal decal so it would probably burn itself to the silencer I imagine. The carbon wrap has a carbon like texture on the outside but sticks just like a normal decal.

I put a drilled washer on the pipe mount bolt. I had a few left over and was wondering where I else I could put them. Thanks for that.

I havn't thought about drilling and safety wire to be honest but I may consider it.

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3/22/2012 5:17 AM

I still say it needs a roost guard for the petcock in order to be correct.

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3/22/2012 10:29 AM

MCfan4life wrote: Brad the 3M carbon wrap is no different to a normal decal so it would probably burn itself to the silencer I imagine. The carbon wrap has a carbon like texture on the outside but sticks just like a normal decal.

I put a drilled washer on the pipe mount bolt. I had a few left over and was wondering where I else I could put them. Thanks for that.

I havn't thought about drilling and safety wire to be honest but I may consider it.

cool, than i wont waste my time with the 3M stuff on the silencer, i wonder how hot it will get on my airbox if i put relective heat tape on the underside. i already have some carbon decal sticker material so i may just stick with that on mine.

im going to drill and safety wire all of mine, gives it that extra factory look. we just got some new jigs in the shop from Zeta(Dirt Freak) for doing safety wire drilling and i have been dying to give it a try.

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3/22/2012 10:30 AM

reded wrote: I still say it needs a roost guard for the petcock in order to be correct.

do you have a pic of this? im thinking maybe i can make the carbon fiber ones available from KTM work if its the same style.

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3/22/2012 10:53 AM

Brad, I wrapped the box on my 96 CR125 with the 3m carbon. It has held up great so far(about ten rides. It's cheap enough where you can redo if it gets messed up. Wouldn't hold up to the heat of a silencer, though.............

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3/22/2012 4:14 PM

Tracktor wrote: Brad, I wrapped the box on my 96 CR125 with the 3m carbon. It has held up great so far(about ten rides. It's cheap enough where you can redo if it gets messed up. Wouldn't hold up to the heat of a silencer, though.............

thanks for the input, i like the look of the 3m stuff......the average joe would think it is real carbon.

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4/19/2012 10:37 AM

any updates on your bike McFan???

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4/22/2012 3:27 PM

No updates to report Brad. Having a bit of a hold up with the graphics unfortunately.

Brad are you able to get your hands on those yellow Dunlop tyre decals? I'd like to buy a couple sets if I can get a hold of some.

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4/22/2012 4:06 PM
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i have enough Dunlop tire decals to do 3 bikes.... let me ask my source and make sure i can get more, if i can i will gladly get you some

ive been trying to score these for like 10 years and i was lucky enough to get a few sets this year from a good friend. i wish they sold them

my project is down to the frame right now, i have to straighten one of the peg mounts then have it powdercoated(going to use the same coater that PC and KTM use) ive had it down for a couple weeks, but work has been so busy i havent had time to get it done. hopefully i can hemmer it out soon so that i can start building it.

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4/23/2012 1:04 PM

i talked to my hook-up for the tire decals, he said he was going to get me some more. as soon as i get them i will have you paypal me for the shipping only....

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4/25/2012 4:18 AM

Brad that's awesome man.

You can email me directly at: colnelson73@bigpond.com

Thanks,
Col

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4/29/2012 3:59 AM
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hey peeps
if anyone is looking to complete the MC look with some era-correct gear, some dude is letting his 'showtime' Bell helmet go.
its an xl which ruled me out, but anyone with a big melon, go for it. $70 BIN, the gentlemen is in Australia.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Bell-Mcgrath-Showtime-/280870791620?pt=AU_Clothing_Merchandise_Media&hash=item41653429c4

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4/30/2012 11:36 AM

i still have one of those helmets from when i was a teenager, when they first came out..... its so outdated i would never wear it to ride. i have been thinking about having a Moto-9 painted like one of his Anaheim helmets though...but i also dont plan on hitting the lottery anytime soon so who knows when i could waste $$$$ like that

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5/7/2012 9:45 AM

nine1seven I just bought a '96 CR250 where did you get the shroud graphics and the seat cover.Thanks cavy

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5/7/2012 4:26 PM

Never seen these before, clear plastic CR kit on Ebay.

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5/7/2012 6:09 PM

jammin76tx wrote: Never seen these before, clear plastic CR kit on Ebay.

those are unbelievably rare and cool...i wish i had some spare $$$$

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5/7/2012 7:09 PM

cavy wrote: nine1seven I just bought a '96 CR250 where did you get the shroud graphics and the seat cover.Thanks cavy

The seat 'cover' that you speak of is a complete OEM Honda seat...off a 97 CR125. It's the same as the factory seat covers they ran in 96. You can't buy just the cover from Honda (or anywhere else that I know of) with the lettering on it, hence why we bought complete seats. If you buy just the cover from Honda it will be blank. nine1seven's CR has the tall option seat whilst mine has the standard height seat.

nine1seven had his graphics made by FLU Designs. I had mine made by a decal company in Australia. Just about any graphics company can reproduce them if they have the templates for a 96 model. Alternatively, Throttle Jockey do a replica 95 kit (see top of this page).

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5/8/2012 9:50 AM

cavy wrote: nine1seven I just bought a '96 CR250 where did you get the shroud graphics and the seat cover.Thanks cavy

The swedish Tecnosel importer still have a stock of the 97 cr250 seat cover. As seen in the photo it fits good to the 96 seat. Send me a PM if you are very keen on getting one.

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