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They say on the entry form page that early entry closes the Sunday prior to the race-very clear.
The rule not allowing a same year bike to not race against other bikes and sizes from the same year is beyond stupid,
All vintage racing classes (cars or bikes) are delineated by a combination of years and technology, I have never seen a VMX organization that breaks classes up solely by year of production. Yes, that does cause some problems and there will always be arguments about what bikes are appropriate to race in each class, but it's not because someone is targeting 1983 KXs.
...if the other riders don't like it maybe they should buy that bike instead, that's there choice just like it was back in 1983, and to do otherwise is re-writing history because they don't like green or whatever, to bad, man up and ride better. I do understand why the promoters would rather have 5 yellow bikes instead of one green bike because it's more money in there pocket, but come on do you really think others won't ride because a green bike is out there? If so you have some real losers in this or that club, maybe they were beat by a green bike back in 83 and can't get over it?
I remember racing my 1984 CR125 against 1983 KX125s, they were just as competitive then as yours would be now.
lastly, I really hate the " buy your own club" or "go ride somewere else if you think the track sucks" response to asking or commenting to try and make things better. I see that as a very lame way to deflect the fact that maybe there have been mistakes made, and instead of working together and fixing things they say " go elsewere if you don't like it".
Look, I really hated doing that too- but YOU were the one suggesting that the AVDRA guy needed to look for a different job, I'm just suggesting that you take over for a while.
The Shop
Everyone that posted pretty much agrees with you.
You know I agree with you. This directly effects me. i am riding the bike you are making the point about.
But how angry am I going to get about something that I can't do anything about? .
My choice is to ride with newer bikes or don't ride.
I'm very happy you brought this to attention. Maybe one day it will change.
In the end I feel it doesn't really matter. VMX is a bunch of old men rolling jumps talking like they are flying and yapping about thier bikes to anyone that will listen.
If you won't go to vintage events both you and the sport loses it out.
You don't get to have old man fun and there is someone with a passion for old bikes not representing and sharing the love for days past with other old men.
This thread is starting to give me tired head and the ragging on VMX is very short sighted IMO. The argument is valid but some of these comments are not.
A fairly simple solution would be to limit the disk diameter to the stock size and/or limiting the caliper piston diameter.
Everything goes by model year, and allows period mods.
You shouldn't have to handicap a standard bike.
As a rider, you can either choose to ride the most competitive bike within that period, or choose the competition.
It's like turning up for a marathon to find out the Kenyans have chosen to run barefoot.
Doesn't mean you should be made to take your shoes off too.
What it does do though, is open a can of worms. The added complexity of the regs, misinterpretation, the addition of certain years, the exclusion of others.
The decisions of the management will therefore come into question.
Some people will always feel cheated.
With a manufacture date cut-off, there's no arguments. Because it's not someone's interpretation of a level playing field. It's just what you had back at the time, and you chose your weapon accordingly back then too.
The guys who want to race a lemon, will race it anyway. The guys who own those bikes, generally won't give a hoot about results, and just ride for the fun of it. (I'm one of those guys)
I like to think I'm more of a for fun guy but showing up to a gun fight with a knife takes it toll on you. Nobody likes being handicapped all the time...for a few races it's okay to most but then you see the separation of "for fun" and "being competitive".
Good discussion.
Pit Row
I have been to only four vintage events in my vintage "career" and each time that was what I experienced. I signed up for the classes they said my bikes belonged in (1974 CR250/ 1977 CR125/ 1978 YZ250/ 1980 CR250/ 1984 CR500/ 1987 CR250). I lined up to race when my races came up and raced against the other bikes that were on the line with me and had a blast.. In between races I walked all over the pits and bench raced my ass off with everyone there.
Never got into what bikes belonged where, why my CR125 had to race against 78 RMs and YZs . Never met a single guy at any of those races who thought they were doing something serious at all, everyone had fun- no jerks.
Are there vintage races where guys are jerks? Does that happen?
Apparently you have never received a cease and desist letter from Todd Applegates lawyers
Excluding the 82-84 KX's and 84 CR's because they have a disc brake is stupid.
The non vintage racers on here reading this probably think we're a bunch of kooks in dissecting this stuff but it's really just a super small specific issue that affect about 1% of the overall picture...this is the devil in the detail stuff.
What I'd like to propose is that the club revises the classes so that there is technological parody in GP 4 and 5.
GP4 = 1990 and earlier
GP5 = 2000 and earlier
Open 2-stroke = run what you brung
There will be some grumbling from the guys that went out and bought 1993 and 2003 model bikes specifically for the classes, but if we let them drive the decision making, that's the tail wagging the dog.
The best way to ensure fairness is to choose a cut-off date, and stick to it.
Further excludion of better bikes, or inclusion of worse ones would be contrary to history.
If it's such a problem, they should've made the cut-off '82, but somehow I get the idea that whoever made the rules had an '83 in their shed (that wasn't green) and didn't want to have to race newer machinery.
The easiest way round that is to Create the rules that suit yourself, and stick two fingers up to the past, I suppose.
If they are going to bump me to race with power valved bikes i was thinking of running an engine from a 85 KX
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