TSA and Homeland Security sucks

jmar wrote: I've had my bag handle swabbed a handful of times but never my hand. That's new to me.

They swabbed my dam hands just like they do a lap top.

jmar wrote: I've had my bag handle swabbed a handful of times but never my hand. That's new to me.

They swabbed my dam hands just like they do a lap top.

super rat wrote: I could fix TSA in a day. some peoples feelings may get hurt but I'd fix the bullshit in a snap.

super rat wrote: I could fix TSA in a day. some peoples feelings may get hurt but I'd fix the bullshit in a snap.

super rat wrote: I could fix TSA in a day. some peoples feelings may get hurt but I'd fix the bullshit in a snap.

jmar wrote: Would you put a passanger on a watch list that has taken the same flights on the same days of the week for the last five years?

jmar wrote: Would you put a passanger on a watch list that has taken the same flights on the same days of the week for the last five years?

jmar wrote: I took a good look at TSA and the way it operates this morning. One thing that was obvious is that they are doing what they can to use up the budget before the years end. Two people checking boarding passes along with two others standing behind those doing the checking. A group of three TSA employees walking the terminal that I was in. A heavy late twenties woman, another woman in her forties and a fifty plus guy. Not a single one of them could do a thing if something were to happen other than make a call. Then when I boarded there are two TSA people standing behind the SWA agent taking peoples tickets. Again these two people were not real security type people. One male late forties and one female at least fifties something. Neither were physically fit people.

BTW: I didn't say it TSAs fault but if they didn't have me on their faulty watch list then I would have already had my boarding pass and more than likely made my flight.

Have you ever had your hands swabbed?

zjbell wrote: I've been working a new position with a different passenger airline for th past 6 months or so. I work with a team of people who go in and evaluate possible new airports from an operational standpoint. A majority of the time I deal with the 'airplane' issues but I've had a chance to talk one-on-one with some of the TSA middle management types and they've all told me that they have problems with people getting hurt on the job/coming in with Dr.'s notes saying they can't pick anything up/stand for more than a few hours exc...
They tell me that that's why there might be two boarding pass ID check people when there should only be one or where there is two 'guarding' the exit. They blame the problem on low starting wages and high turnover as well as tight budgets. The airlines ride the TSA's ass form time to time because of chronic delay problems at airports with slow or understaffed security lanes.
Where the TSA failed is when they hired all the private security contractors sight unseen after the formation of the TSA. All the private "problem children" became part of the new problem, apparently (at least according the the mgt. types I've talked to) there's an effort to knock this dead wood from the system. Who knows if it's the truth.
I've noticed that the greener/crappier "agents" work the security lanes. The better people work in other areas out of the passenger view. At least in my opinion that's how it works. It's still better than the contracted nightmare before DHS.
Never had my hands swabbed, just my bag handle and inside my bag. I think I had my hat swabbed once.

zjbell wrote: I've been working a new position with a different passenger airline for th past 6 months or so. I work with a team of people who go in and evaluate possible new airports from an operational standpoint. A majority of the time I deal with the 'airplane' issues but I've had a chance to talk one-on-one with some of the TSA middle management types and they've all told me that they have problems with people getting hurt on the job/coming in with Dr.'s notes saying they can't pick anything up/stand for more than a few hours exc...
They tell me that that's why there might be two boarding pass ID check people when there should only be one or where there is two 'guarding' the exit. They blame the problem on low starting wages and high turnover as well as tight budgets. The airlines ride the TSA's ass form time to time because of chronic delay problems at airports with slow or understaffed security lanes.
Where the TSA failed is when they hired all the private security contractors sight unseen after the formation of the TSA. All the private "problem children" became part of the new problem, apparently (at least according the the mgt. types I've talked to) there's an effort to knock this dead wood from the system. Who knows if it's the truth.
I've noticed that the greener/crappier "agents" work the security lanes. The better people work in other areas out of the passenger view. At least in my opinion that's how it works. It's still better than the contracted nightmare before DHS.
Never had my hands swabbed, just my bag handle and inside my bag. I think I had my hat swabbed once.

oldfart wrote: I always feel safer knowing my hands were swabbed before flying. Might have had some explosives residue left on there you know. Also, I'm always happy to walk a few extra miles in the airport to see the family off, or pick someone up. I sleep so much better at night that way. Not to mention, my stock in Proctor and Gamble has gone thru the roof, what with the increased sales from the TSA disposing of folks dangerous shampoos and all, it's making me rich!!

Of course, if Habib really wanted to blow up the plane, NONE of that crap stopped him, but hey, if Joe the Plumber feels better, I guess it was worth it.

oldfart wrote: I always feel safer knowing my hands were swabbed before flying. Might have had some explosives residue left on there you know. Also, I'm always happy to walk a few extra miles in the airport to see the family off, or pick someone up. I sleep so much better at night that way. Not to mention, my stock in Proctor and Gamble has gone thru the roof, what with the increased sales from the TSA disposing of folks dangerous shampoos and all, it's making me rich!!

Of course, if Habib really wanted to blow up the plane, NONE of that crap stopped him, but hey, if Joe the Plumber feels better, I guess it was worth it.

tunedlength wrote: Still waiting on REAL data. wouldn't want to be spoon fed.

tunedlength wrote: Still waiting on REAL data. wouldn't want to be spoon fed.

JPT wrote: Trying to avoid getting into this too much, but one thing jmar. TSA folks are not really security in the normal sense. They are screeners. The job is to find prohibited items, not get physical. The LEO's handle that.

Staffing the checkpoints is tricky. People come in waves when flights are going out., it's part of the airport business. Not unusual for the que to go from completely empty with TSO's standing around, to completely full and backed up within 15 minutes. Another 1/2 hour and it's empty again, but only if you've got the people to handle it. Passengers complain if they see TSO's standing around, but complain even more if the line's too long.

I don't work the checkpoints anymore, I'm in the Coordination Center so I get to see the broader picture.

And Oldfart, I don't expect to change your mind, but you might find these articles interesting. It's why they banned liquids.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bojinka_plot

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/sep/07/plane-bomb-plot-drink-bottle

JPT wrote: Trying to avoid getting into this too much, but one thing jmar. TSA folks are not really security in the normal sense. They are screeners. The job is to find prohibited items, not get physical. The LEO's handle that.

Staffing the checkpoints is tricky. People come in waves when flights are going out., it's part of the airport business. Not unusual for the que to go from completely empty with TSO's standing around, to completely full and backed up within 15 minutes. Another 1/2 hour and it's empty again, but only if you've got the people to handle it. Passengers complain if they see TSO's standing around, but complain even more if the line's too long.

I don't work the checkpoints anymore, I'm in the Coordination Center so I get to see the broader picture.

And Oldfart, I don't expect to change your mind, but you might find these articles interesting. It's why they banned liquids.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bojinka_plot

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/sep/07/plane-bomb-plot-drink-bottle

JPT wrote: Trying to avoid getting into this too much, but one thing jmar. TSA folks are not really security in the normal sense. They are screeners. The job is to find prohibited items, not get physical. The LEO's handle that.

Staffing the checkpoints is tricky. People come in waves when flights are going out., it's part of the airport business. Not unusual for the que to go from completely empty with TSO's standing around, to completely full and backed up within 15 minutes. Another 1/2 hour and it's empty again, but only if you've got the people to handle it. Passengers complain if they see TSO's standing around, but complain even more if the line's too long.

I don't work the checkpoints anymore, I'm in the Coordination Center so I get to see the broader picture.

And Oldfart, I don't expect to change your mind, but you might find these articles interesting. It's why they banned liquids.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bojinka_plot

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/sep/07/plane-bomb-plot-drink-bottle

jmar wrote: Trying to avoid getting into this too much, but one thing jmar. TSA folks are not really security in the normal sense. They are screeners. The job is to find prohibited items, not get physical. The LEO's handle that.

Then they are a waste of time and money standing behind the guy taking the tickets before you board. As far as them walking the terminals like a security officer would?
Another waste of time because the screening process has already been completed and you can buy most of those prohibited items in the airport stores.

It really doesn’t matter how you look at this deal. To put someone on a watch list that has as much flying history as I do shows that they system isn’t working. What makes it even worse is that when the stupidly is pointed out to them they either can’t or won’t fix it.


You’re a smart guy JPT and hopefully you will climb the ladder fast in an organization that is full of half wits.

jmar wrote: Trying to avoid getting into this too much, but one thing jmar. TSA folks are not really security in the normal sense. They are screeners. The job is to find prohibited items, not get physical. The LEO's handle that.

Then they are a waste of time and money standing behind the guy taking the tickets before you board. As far as them walking the terminals like a security officer would?
Another waste of time because the screening process has already been completed and you can buy most of those prohibited items in the airport stores.

It really doesn’t matter how you look at this deal. To put someone on a watch list that has as much flying history as I do shows that they system isn’t working. What makes it even worse is that when the stupidly is pointed out to them they either can’t or won’t fix it.


You’re a smart guy JPT and hopefully you will climb the ladder fast in an organization that is full of half wits.

jmar wrote: Would you put a passanger on a watch list that has taken the same flights on the same days of the week for the last five years?

flarider wrote: Jim it's not "you" per se, it's your name.

Example, they have the name James Krinkle on the watch list, for whatever reason and my name is Jim Krinkle...I am not THAT James Krinkle and never use the name James, I use Jim...why am I on the list? Because Jim is a derivative of James and is assumed so by the system. It doesn't know YOU, it knows the NAME ONLY.
Once you get a redress number, after verifying you're not THAT James Krinkle, the system knows you're not that guy and no more problem
Stop confusing YOU with YOUR NAME because you're not the only Jim/James Martin on the planet.

As for liquids, simply explained...take a large squeeze bottle and fill it with gasoline or even something like MEK, start spraying the liquid out of the bottle with an ignition (match or lighter), imagine the damage you cound do in an enclosed space of an airplane. Planes can't land in a few seconds from 30,000 feet, so a large breakout of a fire on board can be catastrophic if not fatal.
You could easily drop a plane using a 24 or 32 ounce container and a lighter or match

flarider wrote: Jim it's not "you" per se, it's your name.

Example, they have the name James Krinkle on the watch list, for whatever reason and my name is Jim Krinkle...I am not THAT James Krinkle and never use the name James, I use Jim...why am I on the list? Because Jim is a derivative of James and is assumed so by the system. It doesn't know YOU, it knows the NAME ONLY.
Once you get a redress number, after verifying you're not THAT James Krinkle, the system knows you're not that guy and no more problem
Stop confusing YOU with YOUR NAME because you're not the only Jim/James Martin on the planet.

As for liquids, simply explained...take a large squeeze bottle and fill it with gasoline or even something like MEK, start spraying the liquid out of the bottle with an ignition (match or lighter), imagine the damage you cound do in an enclosed space of an airplane. Planes can't land in a few seconds from 30,000 feet, so a large breakout of a fire on board can be catastrophic if not fatal.
You could easily drop a plane using a 24 or 32 ounce container and a lighter or match

jmar wrote:


I understand it's not me but for the data base to be so stupid is totally unacceptable. As far as getting it cleared up? I went through this about four years ago and I filed all the proper paperwork and things didn't change. It went on for over a year then one day my name was removed from the list. It's not as simple as you may think and it shows how stupid TSA is as a whole.

I have no problems with the liquids deal but I can tell you their scanning machines don't always work. I have made the mistake of not drinking a protein pack after lunch and went right through security with no problems. These are about six or seven inches long and about an inch and a half in diameter. What is inside of the capsule is about as think as pancake syrup.

jmar wrote:


I understand it's not me but for the data base to be so stupid is totally unacceptable. As far as getting it cleared up? I went through this about four years ago and I filed all the proper paperwork and things didn't change. It went on for over a year then one day my name was removed from the list. It's not as simple as you may think and it shows how stupid TSA is as a whole.

I have no problems with the liquids deal but I can tell you their scanning machines don't always work. I have made the mistake of not drinking a protein pack after lunch and went right through security with no problems. These are about six or seven inches long and about an inch and a half in diameter. What is inside of the capsule is about as think as pancake syrup.

flarider wrote: I never said it was easy and no one said it's perfect, but something happened to make your NAME pop back up.
It sucks, we all understand that. It's a pain in the ass, we all understand that.
But the fact remains that it's not YOU, it's your NAME. Obviously there's a bad guy out there with your name or is/has used it as an alias.
Get a redress number and that goes on all your tickets so the system knows it's not YOU

flarider wrote: I never said it was easy and no one said it's perfect, but something happened to make your NAME pop back up.
It sucks, we all understand that. It's a pain in the ass, we all understand that.
But the fact remains that it's not YOU, it's your NAME. Obviously there's a bad guy out there with your name or is/has used it as an alias.
Get a redress number and that goes on all your tickets so the system knows it's not YOU

flarider wrote: I never said it was easy and no one said it's perfect, but something happened to make your NAME pop back up.
It sucks, we all understand that. It's a pain in the ass, we all understand that.
But the fact remains that it's not YOU, it's your NAME. Obviously there's a bad guy out there with your name or is/has used it as an alias.
Get a redress number and that goes on all your tickets so the system knows it's not YOU

jmar wrote: Get a redress number and that goes on all your tickets so the system knows it's not YOU


I already have but like I said, the last time it went on for over a year. When you fly as often as I do it's a "HUGE" inconveinance to not be able to print my boarding pass from the offices. My trips have to run like clockwork or it takes time away from my work.
For some reason on yesterday’s flight it wouldn't even let me fly business select.

jmar wrote: Get a redress number and that goes on all your tickets so the system knows it's not YOU


I already have but like I said, the last time it went on for over a year. When you fly as often as I do it's a "HUGE" inconveinance to not be able to print my boarding pass from the offices. My trips have to run like clockwork or it takes time away from my work.
For some reason on yesterday’s flight it wouldn't even let me fly business select.

Matt414 wrote: Jim, I skipped a bit of this. I'll say this. TSA is a huge pain in the ass. I fly a good bit, about 4-5 times a month. And while I think a lot of the things they do are a bit over the top and could be done in a better way. What I don't get is how did you miss your flight because you couldn't print your boarding pass? What airport are you flying out of? I flew out of san diego on thursday and grabbed my boarding pass in under 2 minutes. Literally 2 minutes. I pretty much never print boarding passes before I get to the airport, and never have a problem. I rarely check bags and just go to the self service kiosk and get them there. Or, will being on the watch list not allow you to use the self service desk?

Matt414 wrote: Jim, I skipped a bit of this. I'll say this. TSA is a huge pain in the ass. I fly a good bit, about 4-5 times a month. And while I think a lot of the things they do are a bit over the top and could be done in a better way. What I don't get is how did you miss your flight because you couldn't print your boarding pass? What airport are you flying out of? I flew out of san diego on thursday and grabbed my boarding pass in under 2 minutes. Literally 2 minutes. I pretty much never print boarding passes before I get to the airport, and never have a problem. I rarely check bags and just go to the self service kiosk and get them there. Or, will being on the watch list not allow you to use the self service desk?

flarider wrote: He could not check in online because he's on the watch list

He has to go to counter.

BTW Jim, if you fly so much, aren't you an elite flyer, able to use an elite line making it all faster?

flarider wrote: He could not check in online because he's on the watch list

He has to go to counter.

BTW Jim, if you fly so much, aren't you an elite flyer, able to use an elite line making it all faster?

flarider wrote: He could not check in online because he's on the watch list

He has to go to counter.

BTW Jim, if you fly so much, aren't you an elite flyer, able to use an elite line making it all faster?

Matt414 wrote: I get that he can't check in online. I hardly ever checkin online. Why not just go to the self service kiosk? thats what I was asking.

Matt414 wrote: I get that he can't check in online. I hardly ever checkin online. Why not just go to the self service kiosk? thats what I was asking.

tunedlength wrote: Still waiting on REAL data. wouldn't want to be spoon fed.

oldfart wrote: You want me to prove a negative? Let's turn it around. Can you prove we ARE safer as a result of this lunacy? I'm talking about really safer, not perception, but reality. How many attacks, or incidents have been prevented because of these ridiculous rules, that would NOT have happened any other way. You have REAL data on that? I didn't think so. Keep on buying the feel good medicine, but I'm a little more realistic.

I understand liquids can be made into bombs, but so can alot of things that are already on the planes. These rules are stupid, they're overkill, and they aren't making anyone any safer than we were before 9-11. Can I still buy a bottle of booze on a plane? Then I can still blow up the plane, and the airlines provided me the material. I didn't have to sneak anything on, or worry about TSA, just had to get on the plane. That's safer? LMAO!

One of you geniuses prove that we ARE in fact safer. Prove it.

People being caught with a metal detector don't count. Those existed prior to 9-11. TSA staff sneaking bombs thru DOES count though. I'm guessing more fake bombs have made it thru than people actually being caught with bad intent.

I'm just a customer though, what could I possibly know.

oldfart wrote: You want me to prove a negative? Let's turn it around. Can you prove we ARE safer as a result of this lunacy? I'm talking about really safer, not perception, but reality. How many attacks, or incidents have been prevented because of these ridiculous rules, that would NOT have happened any other way. You have REAL data on that? I didn't think so. Keep on buying the feel good medicine, but I'm a little more realistic.

I understand liquids can be made into bombs, but so can alot of things that are already on the planes. These rules are stupid, they're overkill, and they aren't making anyone any safer than we were before 9-11. Can I still buy a bottle of booze on a plane? Then I can still blow up the plane, and the airlines provided me the material. I didn't have to sneak anything on, or worry about TSA, just had to get on the plane. That's safer? LMAO!

One of you geniuses prove that we ARE in fact safer. Prove it.

People being caught with a metal detector don't count. Those existed prior to 9-11. TSA staff sneaking bombs thru DOES count though. I'm guessing more fake bombs have made it thru than people actually being caught with bad intent.

I'm just a customer though, what could I possibly know.

flarider wrote: oh

Same thing I guess?

flarider wrote: oh

Same thing I guess?

flarider wrote: He could not check in online because he's on the watch list

He has to go to counter.

BTW Jim, if you fly so much, aren't you an elite flyer, able to use an elite line making it all faster?

jmar wrote:
Yes I am an SWA A member and go directly to the front of the security line. My wife also has a companion pass which means that anytime I fly she fly’s free.

Honestly, because of all the flying history that I have I don’t understand how this can happen.

jmar wrote:
Yes I am an SWA A member and go directly to the front of the security line. My wife also has a companion pass which means that anytime I fly she fly’s free.

Honestly, because of all the flying history that I have I don’t understand how this can happen.

flarider wrote: He could not check in online because he's on the watch list

He has to go to counter.

BTW Jim, if you fly so much, aren't you an elite flyer, able to use an elite line making it all faster?

Matt414 wrote: I get that he can't check in online. I hardly ever checkin online. Why not just go to the self service kiosk? thats what I was asking.

jmar wrote: Can't do it when on the watch list. You have to stand in line with the people checking in bags just to get a boarding pass.

jmar wrote: Can't do it when on the watch list. You have to stand in line with the people checking in bags just to get a boarding pass.

jmar wrote:
Yes I am an SWA A member and go directly to the front of the security line. My wife also has a companion pass which means that anytime I fly she fly’s free.

Honestly, because of all the flying history that I have I don’t understand how this can happen.

flarider wrote: Because it's not YOU, it's YOUR NAME

You keep saying stuff like "...because of all the flying history that I have...," the system doesn't see YOU it sees a name.
The system doesn't know who the fuck you are, it only knows a name, not YOUR NAME, just a name...Jim/James Martin
It doesn't know you from shit

flarider wrote: Because it's not YOU, it's YOUR NAME

You keep saying stuff like "...because of all the flying history that I have...," the system doesn't see YOU it sees a name.
The system doesn't know who the fuck you are, it only knows a name, not YOUR NAME, just a name...Jim/James Martin
It doesn't know you from shit

Matt414 wrote: I get that he can't check in online. I hardly ever checkin online. Why not just go to the self service kiosk? thats what I was asking.

jmar wrote: Can't do it when on the watch list. You have to stand in line with the people checking in bags just to get a boarding pass.

Matt414 wrote: Ahh, didn't realize your not allowed to use the self service desk. That is a pain in the ass.

Matt414 wrote: Ahh, didn't realize your not allowed to use the self service desk. That is a pain in the ass.

tunedlength wrote: Still waiting on REAL data. wouldn't want to be spoon fed.

oldfart wrote: You want me to prove a negative? Let's turn it around. Can you prove we ARE safer as a result of this lunacy? I'm talking about really safer, not perception, but reality. How many attacks, or incidents have been prevented because of these ridiculous rules, that would NOT have happened any other way. You have REAL data on that? I didn't think so. Keep on buying the feel good medicine, but I'm a little more realistic.

I understand liquids can be made into bombs, but so can alot of things that are already on the planes. These rules are stupid, they're overkill, and they aren't making anyone any safer than we were before 9-11. Can I still buy a bottle of booze on a plane? Then I can still blow up the plane, and the airlines provided me the material. I didn't have to sneak anything on, or worry about TSA, just had to get on the plane. That's safer? LMAO!

One of you geniuses prove that we ARE in fact safer. Prove it.

People being caught with a metal detector don't count. Those existed prior to 9-11. TSA staff sneaking bombs thru DOES count though. I'm guessing more fake bombs have made it thru than people actually being caught with bad intent.

I'm just a customer though, what could I possibly know.

tunedlength wrote: When you said real data I was hoping I would learn something.
Now I have learned something. But not about your real data.

tunedlength wrote: When you said real data I was hoping I would learn something.
Now I have learned something. But not about your real data.

oldfart wrote: You want me to prove a negative? Let's turn it around. Can you prove we ARE safer as a result of this lunacy? I'm talking about really safer, not perception, but reality. How many attacks, or incidents have been prevented because of these ridiculous rules, that would NOT have happened any other way. You have REAL data on that? I didn't think so. Keep on buying the feel good medicine, but I'm a little more realistic.

I understand liquids can be made into bombs, but so can alot of things that are already on the planes. These rules are stupid, they're overkill, and they aren't making anyone any safer than we were before 9-11. Can I still buy a bottle of booze on a plane? Then I can still blow up the plane, and the airlines provided me the material. I didn't have to sneak anything on, or worry about TSA, just had to get on the plane. That's safer? LMAO!

One of you geniuses prove that we ARE in fact safer. Prove it.

People being caught with a metal detector don't count. Those existed prior to 9-11. TSA staff sneaking bombs thru DOES count though. I'm guessing more fake bombs have made it thru than people actually being caught with bad intent.

I'm just a customer though, what could I possibly know.

tunedlength wrote: When you said real data I was hoping I would learn something.
Now I have learned something. But not about your real data.

oldfart wrote: In other words, you have nothing? Got it, thanks.

oldfart wrote: In other words, you have nothing? Got it, thanks.

jmar wrote:
Yes I am an SWA A member and go directly to the front of the security line. My wife also has a companion pass which means that anytime I fly she fly’s free.

Honestly, because of all the flying history that I have I don’t understand how this can happen.

flarider wrote: Because it's not YOU, it's YOUR NAME

You keep saying stuff like "...because of all the flying history that I have...," the system doesn't see YOU it sees a name.
The system doesn't know who the fuck you are, it only knows a name, not YOUR NAME, just a name...Jim/James Martin
It doesn't know you from shit

jmar wrote: Then its not a very effetive system. After all this is homeland security we're talking about.

jmar wrote: Then its not a very effetive system. After all this is homeland security we're talking about.

brainbasket wrote: I saw a piece on the Israeli airline security system that's been in place for many years. There is no country with a bigger terror target on it than Israel - yet Israeli air flights are the safest in the world.

Maybe the US should adopt the same tactics the Israeli's use ......

brainbasket wrote: I saw a piece on the Israeli airline security system that's been in place for many years. There is no country with a bigger terror target on it than Israel - yet Israeli air flights are the safest in the world.

Maybe the US should adopt the same tactics the Israeli's use ......

brainbasket wrote: I saw a piece on the Israeli airline security system that's been in place for many years. There is no country with a bigger terror target on it than Israel - yet Israeli air flights are the safest in the world.

Maybe the US should adopt the same tactics the Israeli's use ......

oldfart wrote: Are shampoos a big security problem in Israel?

oldfart wrote: Are shampoos a big security problem in Israel?

flarider wrote: Because it's not YOU, it's YOUR NAME

You keep saying stuff like "...because of all the flying history that I have...," the system doesn't see YOU it sees a name.
The system doesn't know who the fuck you are, it only knows a name, not YOUR NAME, just a name...Jim/James Martin
It doesn't know you from shit

jmar wrote: Then its not a very effetive system. After all this is homeland security we're talking about.

flarider wrote: Jim, let me ask you a question.

Of the information you give when purchasing a ticket, how is the system supposed to know it's you?

Do you give your SSN?
No
Do you give your DL#?
No
Do you give your passport#?
No

You give your name and maybe your FF# (which is not secure or government issued, so it means nothing)

What identifying data, other than your name, do you provide to show you're not the bad Jim Martin, but the good Jim Martin?

flarider wrote: Jim, let me ask you a question.

Of the information you give when purchasing a ticket, how is the system supposed to know it's you?

Do you give your SSN?
No
Do you give your DL#?
No
Do you give your passport#?
No

You give your name and maybe your FF# (which is not secure or government issued, so it means nothing)

What identifying data, other than your name, do you provide to show you're not the bad Jim Martin, but the good Jim Martin?

brainbasket wrote: I saw a piece on the Israeli airline security system that's been in place for many years. There is no country with a bigger terror target on it than Israel - yet Israeli air flights are the safest in the world.

Maybe the US should adopt the same tactics the Israeli's use ......

oldfart wrote: Are shampoos a big security problem in Israel?

flarider wrote: ELAL does not allow last minute reservations, closes their flights several days in advance and every passenger's name and ID is run through a computer system and then you're thoroughly searched.

They don't fuck around

and it ain't easy

flarider wrote: ELAL does not allow last minute reservations, closes their flights several days in advance and every passenger's name and ID is run through a computer system and then you're thoroughly searched.

They don't fuck around

and it ain't easy

oldfart wrote: Well apparently the system knows there is a bad Jim Martin, but must not know which one? They seem to verify it by his ID, which does have a # on it. Something in the system releases his flag upon presentation of an ID, so it sounds to me like the system can tell the difference. It just makes it inconvenient for Jim to do that.

That makes us safer how?

oldfart wrote: Well apparently the system knows there is a bad Jim Martin, but must not know which one? They seem to verify it by his ID, which does have a # on it. Something in the system releases his flag upon presentation of an ID, so it sounds to me like the system can tell the difference. It just makes it inconvenient for Jim to do that.

That makes us safer how?