TSA and Homeland Security sucks

jmar wrote: I ask my my assistant get on line and print my boarding pass for tomorrows flight and it won't let her check me in. After further investigation she finds out that I have been put on a TSA watch list. I understand that their could be a guy with my name that needs to be on this list but I fly around sixty to seventy round trips a year.

How could their system be so stupid?

Void Main wrote: Sounds like they got the right man to me.

Void Main wrote: Sounds like they got the right man to me.

zjbell wrote: SSSSSS'ed?
Last minute bookings, one way flights... I think all these have somethin' to do about it.
I was SSSS'ed on company business last week, it's easier for me to just go through the screening than remove the screening.

zjbell wrote: SSSSSS'ed?
Last minute bookings, one way flights... I think all these have somethin' to do about it.
I was SSSS'ed on company business last week, it's easier for me to just go through the screening than remove the screening.

fcr wrote: It is because you wore this the last time through screening .....

fcr wrote: It is because you wore this the last time through screening .....

flarider wrote: This is the place to go to talk about it

http://www.flyertalk.com/...safety-security-222/

flarider wrote: This is the place to go to talk about it

http://www.flyertalk.com/...safety-security-222/

flarider wrote: This is the place to go to talk about it

http://www.flyertalk.com/...safety-security-222/

zjbell wrote: They must have done an IP audit because they clipped my new username.

zjbell wrote: They must have done an IP audit because they clipped my new username.

zjbell wrote: SSSSSS'ed?
Last minute bookings, one way flights... I think all these have somethin' to do about it.
I was SSSS'ed on company business last week, it's easier for me to just go through the screening than remove the screening.

jmar wrote: Round trip as always and if their computers don't recognized my name with as many flights as I have a year then something is wrong. It really is a bitch when I have to go to the counter and check in to get a boarding pass.

jmar wrote: Round trip as always and if their computers don't recognized my name with as many flights as I have a year then something is wrong. It really is a bitch when I have to go to the counter and check in to get a boarding pass.

oldfart wrote: The part that really sucks is when you think about the end result. What does it really fix? By forcing you to waste an extra hour, are we really any safer? FOCK NO we're not!!!

oldfart wrote: The part that really sucks is when you think about the end result. What does it really fix? By forcing you to waste an extra hour, are we really any safer? FOCK NO we're not!!!

kdx man wrote: You must have pissed off JPT

kdx man wrote: You must have pissed off JPT

jmar wrote: JPT is a good guy but the agency he works for sucks.

jmar wrote: JPT is a good guy but the agency he works for sucks.

oldfart wrote: The part that really sucks is when you think about the end result. What does it really fix? By forcing you to waste an extra hour, are we really any safer? FOCK NO we're not!!!

tunedlength wrote:
Exactly how do you come to the conclusion that we are not safer?

tunedlength wrote:
Exactly how do you come to the conclusion that we are not safer?

oldfart wrote: The part that really sucks is when you think about the end result. What does it really fix? By forcing you to waste an extra hour, are we really any safer? FOCK NO we're not!!!

tunedlength wrote:
Exactly how do you come to the conclusion that we are not safer?

oldfart wrote: Probably the same way you have concluded that we are safer.

Only, I used REAL data to reach my conclusion, not a bunch of spoon fed garbage.

Next time some guys try to take over a plane with box cutters, they're gonna fail....miserably.

It will have no relation to the TSA, or not having any shampoos, or other personal care items on the plane.

Nope, it'll fail because the people on the plane won't put up with it ever again. They'll bum rush those idiots faster than they can say Allah. Somebody might get hurt, or even die, but the box cutter approach won't "cut it" again.

The TSA will have NOTHING to do with that.

oldfart wrote: Probably the same way you have concluded that we are safer.

Only, I used REAL data to reach my conclusion, not a bunch of spoon fed garbage.

Next time some guys try to take over a plane with box cutters, they're gonna fail....miserably.

It will have no relation to the TSA, or not having any shampoos, or other personal care items on the plane.

Nope, it'll fail because the people on the plane won't put up with it ever again. They'll bum rush those idiots faster than they can say Allah. Somebody might get hurt, or even die, but the box cutter approach won't "cut it" again.

The TSA will have NOTHING to do with that.

tunedlength wrote:
Exactly how do you come to the conclusion that we are not safer?

oldfart wrote: Probably the same way you have concluded that we are safer.

Only, I used REAL data to reach my conclusion, not a bunch of spoon fed garbage.

Next time some guys try to take over a plane with box cutters, they're gonna fail....miserably.

It will have no relation to the TSA, or not having any shampoos, or other personal care items on the plane.

Nope, it'll fail because the people on the plane won't put up with it ever again. They'll bum rush those idiots faster than they can say Allah. Somebody might get hurt, or even die, but the box cutter approach won't "cut it" again.

The TSA will have NOTHING to do with that.

tunedlength wrote: And the REAL data is?

tunedlength wrote: And the REAL data is?

oldfart wrote: Probably the same way you have concluded that we are safer.

Only, I used REAL data to reach my conclusion, not a bunch of spoon fed garbage.

Next time some guys try to take over a plane with box cutters, they're gonna fail....miserably.

It will have no relation to the TSA, or not having any shampoos, or other personal care items on the plane.

Nope, it'll fail because the people on the plane won't put up with it ever again. They'll bum rush those idiots faster than they can say Allah. Somebody might get hurt, or even die, but the box cutter approach won't "cut it" again.

The TSA will have NOTHING to do with that.

tunedlength wrote: And the REAL data is?

oldfart wrote: Have you traveled at all?? You seriously believe we are safer because of all this crap?
The fact that I've had to hike to a ticket counter more than once to show a different person the same fucking ID does NOT make us any safer. The fact that I've had to trash brand new shampoos has NOT made us any safer. The fact that I get singled out EVERY time I fly has NOT made us any safer.

It's made us weaker.....as a country....and as a people.

oldfart wrote: Have you traveled at all?? You seriously believe we are safer because of all this crap?
The fact that I've had to hike to a ticket counter more than once to show a different person the same fucking ID does NOT make us any safer. The fact that I've had to trash brand new shampoos has NOT made us any safer. The fact that I get singled out EVERY time I fly has NOT made us any safer.

It's made us weaker.....as a country....and as a people.

tunedlength wrote: Yes, I travel a bit.
I never said we are safer I only asked how you came to the conclusion that we are not.
You said REAL data and I asked what real data.
So what real data do you have that would support the fact that we are not safer?

tunedlength wrote: Yes, I travel a bit.
I never said we are safer I only asked how you came to the conclusion that we are not.
You said REAL data and I asked what real data.
So what real data do you have that would support the fact that we are not safer?

oldfart wrote: Have you traveled at all?? You seriously believe we are safer because of all this crap?
The fact that I've had to hike to a ticket counter more than once to show a different person the same fucking ID does NOT make us any safer. The fact that I've had to trash brand new shampoos has NOT made us any safer. The fact that I get singled out EVERY time I fly has NOT made us any safer.

It's made us weaker.....as a country....and as a people.

zjbell wrote: I think we had this discussion a few months back.
Why do you have to hike to a ticket counter to show someone your ID more than once? Check-in on-line and show the TSA or airline rep. at the beginning of the security line, I have no idea what would cause you to go to the ticket counter and show ID more than once. Sometimes you get tagged like jmar, it doesn't take much extra time to go to the ticket counter and clear the extra screening (if any) I honestly clear security hundreds of times each year and have little to no problems.
Trash brand new shampoos? The '3-1-1' rule has been in effect since 2006, it's pretty simple. If you're still having issues three years later, you might have more problems than tossing a shampoo in the trash. There has been attempts to detonate a bomb made of mixed liquids inside an aircraft, and this rule is in direct response to this. Is it a pain? Yes. Is it necessary at this point? I think so.
A group of middle-eastern middle aged men armed with box cutters isn't the only threat to a commercial airliner. I have no doubt that if there was ever a situation similar to 9/11 that there would be an overwhelming amount of whoop-ass form the passengers, but it is not something to use as the end all safety net.
There are many things that go on behind the scenes that airline employees and TSA agents accomplish to make flying safer. TSA gets a bad rap, and no doubt that there are some bad apples in the bunch but I honestly think it's the best we can do with the resources made available. When the budget only allows slightly above minimum wage, you're gonna get some slightly above minimum wage people.
After all flying is NOT a god given right, if you don't like the rules.... drive.
Do you guys remember airport security before 9/11?

zjbell wrote: I think we had this discussion a few months back.
Why do you have to hike to a ticket counter to show someone your ID more than once? Check-in on-line and show the TSA or airline rep. at the beginning of the security line, I have no idea what would cause you to go to the ticket counter and show ID more than once. Sometimes you get tagged like jmar, it doesn't take much extra time to go to the ticket counter and clear the extra screening (if any) I honestly clear security hundreds of times each year and have little to no problems.
Trash brand new shampoos? The '3-1-1' rule has been in effect since 2006, it's pretty simple. If you're still having issues three years later, you might have more problems than tossing a shampoo in the trash. There has been attempts to detonate a bomb made of mixed liquids inside an aircraft, and this rule is in direct response to this. Is it a pain? Yes. Is it necessary at this point? I think so.
A group of middle-eastern middle aged men armed with box cutters isn't the only threat to a commercial airliner. I have no doubt that if there was ever a situation similar to 9/11 that there would be an overwhelming amount of whoop-ass form the passengers, but it is not something to use as the end all safety net.
There are many things that go on behind the scenes that airline employees and TSA agents accomplish to make flying safer. TSA gets a bad rap, and no doubt that there are some bad apples in the bunch but I honestly think it's the best we can do with the resources made available. When the budget only allows slightly above minimum wage, you're gonna get some slightly above minimum wage people.
After all flying is NOT a god given right, if you don't like the rules.... drive.
Do you guys remember airport security before 9/11?

jmar wrote: JPT is a good guy but the agency he works for sucks.

zjbell wrote: Remember airport security before 9/11? That was suck.

What we have now is a vast improvement, sure it could always be better but I really fail to see the extreme inconvenience that everyone claims is the TSA's fault.

zjbell wrote: Remember airport security before 9/11? That was suck.

What we have now is a vast improvement, sure it could always be better but I really fail to see the extreme inconvenience that everyone claims is the TSA's fault.

tunedlength wrote: I remember boarding with a tool box at the last possible minute. They would see that I was running late, tag the box and let me board. Could have had anything in that box!
Thankfully this would be unthinkable today.

tunedlength wrote: I remember boarding with a tool box at the last possible minute. They would see that I was running late, tag the box and let me board. Could have had anything in that box!
Thankfully this would be unthinkable today.

jmar wrote: JPT is a good guy but the agency he works for sucks.

zjbell wrote: Remember airport security before 9/11? That was suck.

What we have now is a vast improvement, sure it could always be better but I really fail to see the extreme inconvenience that everyone claims is the TSA's fault.

jmar wrote: Come on Z,

How on earth could someone that flies at least once a week, and sometimes more, be on a watch list if they are doing a good job. And by the way, TSA is working for the taxpayers of this country and it is my rights that they are trampling on. My beef isn't with the airlines it's with homeland security so that crap about it not being a right is bunk.

They have been notified of their stupid mistake and I have filled out all of the needed paperwork to get off of this list. I would be willing to bet it will take months for them to correct this mistake. Would you like to take that bet?

jmar wrote: Come on Z,

How on earth could someone that flies at least once a week, and sometimes more, be on a watch list if they are doing a good job. And by the way, TSA is working for the taxpayers of this country and it is my rights that they are trampling on. My beef isn't with the airlines it's with homeland security so that crap about it not being a right is bunk.

They have been notified of their stupid mistake and I have filled out all of the needed paperwork to get off of this list. I would be willing to bet it will take months for them to correct this mistake. Would you like to take that bet?

jmar wrote: JPT is a good guy but the agency he works for sucks.

JPT wrote:

JPT wrote:

SteveS wrote: Sounds like you are experiencing the new "Secure Flight" program. I got this email just a couple of days ago: http://view.aa.com/...CTION=1&FORMAT=H
The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) recently introduced a new program called Secure Flight, which is designed to enhance the security of domestic and international commercial air travel.
How will this affect you?
When you purchase a ticket on AA.com or through an American Airlines Representative, you will be asked to provide the following information: full name (as it appears on your government-issued photo ID that you will use when traveling), date of birth, gender and redress number* (if applicable).
Update your AAdvantage® account profile
To save you time and make your future travel easier, additional fields have been added to your AAdvantage account profile on AA.com so you can store this new information. Then, every time you make a reservation with us, we will automatically add your Secure Flight Passenger Data.
Sounds like you might need to get one of those "redress numbers".

SteveS wrote: Sounds like you are experiencing the new "Secure Flight" program. I got this email just a couple of days ago: http://view.aa.com/...CTION=1&FORMAT=H
The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) recently introduced a new program called Secure Flight, which is designed to enhance the security of domestic and international commercial air travel.
How will this affect you?
When you purchase a ticket on AA.com or through an American Airlines Representative, you will be asked to provide the following information: full name (as it appears on your government-issued photo ID that you will use when traveling), date of birth, gender and redress number* (if applicable).
Update your AAdvantage® account profile
To save you time and make your future travel easier, additional fields have been added to your AAdvantage account profile on AA.com so you can store this new information. Then, every time you make a reservation with us, we will automatically add your Secure Flight Passenger Data.
Sounds like you might need to get one of those "redress numbers".

oldfart wrote: Have you traveled at all?? You seriously believe we are safer because of all this crap?
The fact that I've had to hike to a ticket counter more than once to show a different person the same fucking ID does NOT make us any safer. The fact that I've had to trash brand new shampoos has NOT made us any safer. The fact that I get singled out EVERY time I fly has NOT made us any safer.

It's made us weaker.....as a country....and as a people.

zjbell wrote: I think we had this discussion a few months back.
Why do you have to hike to a ticket counter to show someone your ID more than once? Check-in on-line and show the TSA or airline rep. at the beginning of the security line, I have no idea what would cause you to go to the ticket counter and show ID more than once. Sometimes you get tagged like jmar, it doesn't take much extra time to go to the ticket counter and clear the extra screening (if any) I honestly clear security hundreds of times each year and have little to no problems.
Trash brand new shampoos? The '3-1-1' rule has been in effect since 2006, it's pretty simple. If you're still having issues three years later, you might have more problems than tossing a shampoo in the trash. There has been attempts to detonate a bomb made of mixed liquids inside an aircraft, and this rule is in direct response to this. Is it a pain? Yes. Is it necessary at this point? I think so.
A group of middle-eastern middle aged men armed with box cutters isn't the only threat to a commercial airliner. I have no doubt that if there was ever a situation similar to 9/11 that there would be an overwhelming amount of whoop-ass form the passengers, but it is not something to use as the end all safety net.
There are many things that go on behind the scenes that airline employees and TSA agents accomplish to make flying safer. TSA gets a bad rap, and no doubt that there are some bad apples in the bunch but I honestly think it's the best we can do with the resources made available. When the budget only allows slightly above minimum wage, you're gonna get some slightly above minimum wage people.
After all flying is NOT a god given right, if you don't like the rules.... drive.
Do you guys remember airport security before 9/11?

oldfart wrote: I think you miss the point.

I've had to trek my ass to a counter multiple times, if only to escort a family member to a flight. I have to show the same ID to a different person, and not a TSA person, no sir, an airline employee, so they can input the data from the ID into the computer, which then tells them if I'm a good guy or not. That's ridiculous, and it isn't making us any safer, sorry if you don't see that, but as a customer, as a passenger, I get it. It's an extreme inconvenience that accomplishes exactly jack shit that couldn't be done anywhere.

As for the liquids, are you seriious? I can make a bomb out of a fucking bottle of liquor too, and there are plenty of them on a plane. It's a bunch of overhyped, extremist bullshit. You may feel safer because I had to toss shampoos in the trash, or had to hike my ass acroos the airport, but I see the reality in it all. I don't care how long it's been in effect, it's stupid!

Reality is, somebody wants to inflict some harm....they'll find a way. My lack of shampoo, or showing my id to a ticket clerk is NOT the answer. There are so many options that don't involve such ridulous over reactions.

oldfart wrote: I think you miss the point.

I've had to trek my ass to a counter multiple times, if only to escort a family member to a flight. I have to show the same ID to a different person, and not a TSA person, no sir, an airline employee, so they can input the data from the ID into the computer, which then tells them if I'm a good guy or not. That's ridiculous, and it isn't making us any safer, sorry if you don't see that, but as a customer, as a passenger, I get it. It's an extreme inconvenience that accomplishes exactly jack shit that couldn't be done anywhere.

As for the liquids, are you seriious? I can make a bomb out of a fucking bottle of liquor too, and there are plenty of them on a plane. It's a bunch of overhyped, extremist bullshit. You may feel safer because I had to toss shampoos in the trash, or had to hike my ass acroos the airport, but I see the reality in it all. I don't care how long it's been in effect, it's stupid!

Reality is, somebody wants to inflict some harm....they'll find a way. My lack of shampoo, or showing my id to a ticket clerk is NOT the answer. There are so many options that don't involve such ridulous over reactions.

tunedlength wrote: So no "REAL data" .

tunedlength wrote: So no "REAL data" .

jmar wrote: Come on Z,

How on earth could someone that flies at least once a week, and sometimes more, be on a watch list if they are doing a good job. And by the way, TSA is working for the taxpayers of this country and it is my rights that they are trampling on. My beef isn't with the airlines it's with homeland security so that crap about it not being a right is bunk.

They have been notified of their stupid mistake and I have filled out all of the needed paperwork to get off of this list. I would be willing to bet it will take months for them to correct this mistake. Would you like to take that bet?

zjbell wrote: I understand your point on the "watch list", I'm not saying the TSA is perfect. It's far from it, but I do feel that we could (and have done) worse.

I don't think anyone is trampling on your rights as a taxpayer, I'm not familiar with this new program but it doesn't seem like anyone is denying you boarding. It seems like through the "secure flight" program that at worst you will be subject to secondary screening until you get a redress number. Is it really that bad?

If the TSA was never formed, or airport security remained the same pre 9/11 and someone torpedoed another airliner into a building people would be outraged that nobody does anything. But on the other hand the TSA is trying new things (some that don't work that well, while others are a success) and everyone is pissed off.. I know the government could fuck anything up and I don't agree with everything the TSA does, but at least we have something in place. I understand it must be a hassle to get caught up in this new program but I don't think you can consider the TSA or DHS a failure based off your personal experience...

zjbell wrote: I understand your point on the "watch list", I'm not saying the TSA is perfect. It's far from it, but I do feel that we could (and have done) worse.

I don't think anyone is trampling on your rights as a taxpayer, I'm not familiar with this new program but it doesn't seem like anyone is denying you boarding. It seems like through the "secure flight" program that at worst you will be subject to secondary screening until you get a redress number. Is it really that bad?

If the TSA was never formed, or airport security remained the same pre 9/11 and someone torpedoed another airliner into a building people would be outraged that nobody does anything. But on the other hand the TSA is trying new things (some that don't work that well, while others are a success) and everyone is pissed off.. I know the government could fuck anything up and I don't agree with everything the TSA does, but at least we have something in place. I understand it must be a hassle to get caught up in this new program but I don't think you can consider the TSA or DHS a failure based off your personal experience...

oldfart wrote: I think you miss the point.

I've had to trek my ass to a counter multiple times, if only to escort a family member to a flight. I have to show the same ID to a different person, and not a TSA person, no sir, an airline employee, so they can input the data from the ID into the computer, which then tells them if I'm a good guy or not. That's ridiculous, and it isn't making us any safer, sorry if you don't see that, but as a customer, as a passenger, I get it. It's an extreme inconvenience that accomplishes exactly jack shit that couldn't be done anywhere.

As for the liquids, are you seriious? I can make a bomb out of a fucking bottle of liquor too, and there are plenty of them on a plane. It's a bunch of overhyped, extremist bullshit. You may feel safer because I had to toss shampoos in the trash, or had to hike my ass acroos the airport, but I see the reality in it all. I don't care how long it's been in effect, it's stupid!

Reality is, somebody wants to inflict some harm....they'll find a way. My lack of shampoo, or showing my id to a ticket clerk is NOT the answer. There are so many options that don't involve such ridulous over reactions.

zjbell wrote: I think you don't understand.
On-board booze has been screened by the TSA, anything for purchase in the sterile area has been screened by the TSA. Allowing passengers to once again bring a large quantity of liquid aboard an airplane after multiple attacks have been carried out or attempted is stupid. It's not about making a bomb out of a bottle of liquor, it's about a few terrorist bringing large bombmaking chemicals onboard... or about a dozen other liquids that could be hazardous in a pressurized confined environment.
It's an extreme inconvenience to show your ID to an airline employee? I think I remember you bitching because you didn't realize you can't walk through security without a boarding pass anymore. If you want to walk someone back all you have to do is ask the employee and show them you ID... don't like it.. don't walk to the gate. Easy.
You're right, there are a multitude of ways to inflict harm. But people HAVE attempted to bring down an airliner with combined liquids, people HAVE booked tickets under fake names in the no-fly list.
Are we just supposed to assume that it wont happen again because it already has?
The TSA rules are pretty easy, I don't understand why some people seem to always have issues.

zjbell wrote: I think you don't understand.
On-board booze has been screened by the TSA, anything for purchase in the sterile area has been screened by the TSA. Allowing passengers to once again bring a large quantity of liquid aboard an airplane after multiple attacks have been carried out or attempted is stupid. It's not about making a bomb out of a bottle of liquor, it's about a few terrorist bringing large bombmaking chemicals onboard... or about a dozen other liquids that could be hazardous in a pressurized confined environment.
It's an extreme inconvenience to show your ID to an airline employee? I think I remember you bitching because you didn't realize you can't walk through security without a boarding pass anymore. If you want to walk someone back all you have to do is ask the employee and show them you ID... don't like it.. don't walk to the gate. Easy.
You're right, there are a multitude of ways to inflict harm. But people HAVE attempted to bring down an airliner with combined liquids, people HAVE booked tickets under fake names in the no-fly list.
Are we just supposed to assume that it wont happen again because it already has?
The TSA rules are pretty easy, I don't understand why some people seem to always have issues.

tunedlength wrote: So no "REAL data" .

zjbell wrote: Because HE says so....

zjbell wrote: Because HE says so....

jmar wrote: Come on Z,

How on earth could someone that flies at least once a week, and sometimes more, be on a watch list if they are doing a good job. And by the way, TSA is working for the taxpayers of this country and it is my rights that they are trampling on. My beef isn't with the airlines it's with homeland security so that crap about it not being a right is bunk.

They have been notified of their stupid mistake and I have filled out all of the needed paperwork to get off of this list. I would be willing to bet it will take months for them to correct this mistake. Would you like to take that bet?

zjbell wrote: I understand your point on the "watch list", I'm not saying the TSA is perfect. It's far from it, but I do feel that we could (and have done) worse.

I don't think anyone is trampling on your rights as a taxpayer, I'm not familiar with this new program but it doesn't seem like anyone is denying you boarding. It seems like through the "secure flight" program that at worst you will be subject to secondary screening until you get a redress number. Is it really that bad?

If the TSA was never formed, or airport security remained the same pre 9/11 and someone torpedoed another airliner into a building people would be outraged that nobody does anything. But on the other hand the TSA is trying new things (some that don't work that well, while others are a success) and everyone is pissed off.. I know the government could fuck anything up and I don't agree with everything the TSA does, but at least we have something in place. I understand it must be a hassle to get caught up in this new program but I don't think you can consider the TSA or DHS a failure based off your personal experience...

jmar wrote: It's simple zjbell. They are not on top of things if their software can't acknowledge that I am not a risk. I fly every Thursday on the same flight and ditto on the return. What's even worse is that when you point out something so simple and they can’t fix it.

I don't know why you are so protective over TSA but if they can't see that I am not a risk then the are not going to be able to see a real risk. It's really not all that complicated.

BTW: I missed my flight home tonight because a meeting went longer that what was scheduled. If I were able to already have my boarding pass then I might have been able to make the flight.

BTW: On the flight this morning I was pulled out of line and they swabbed my hands. That has never happen to me in five years of flying every week.

jmar wrote: It's simple zjbell. They are not on top of things if their software can't acknowledge that I am not a risk. I fly every Thursday on the same flight and ditto on the return. What's even worse is that when you point out something so simple and they can’t fix it.

I don't know why you are so protective over TSA but if they can't see that I am not a risk then the are not going to be able to see a real risk. It's really not all that complicated.

BTW: I missed my flight home tonight because a meeting went longer that what was scheduled. If I were able to already have my boarding pass then I might have been able to make the flight.

BTW: On the flight this morning I was pulled out of line and they swabbed my hands. That has never happen to me in five years of flying every week.

zjbell wrote: Obviously the system is flawed.
The TSA screwed up, I get it.
Is the entire TSA junk. No.
You missed your flight not the TSA. I defend the TSA because I get an opportunity to see the entire picture, there's plenty of good things that go on behind the scenes... some not so good. Overall, I feel better with security being handled by the TSA over private contractors.
BTW- I've had my bag handle swabbed a handful of times but never my hand. That's new to me.

zjbell wrote: Obviously the system is flawed.
The TSA screwed up, I get it.
Is the entire TSA junk. No.
You missed your flight not the TSA. I defend the TSA because I get an opportunity to see the entire picture, there's plenty of good things that go on behind the scenes... some not so good. Overall, I feel better with security being handled by the TSA over private contractors.
BTW- I've had my bag handle swabbed a handful of times but never my hand. That's new to me.