West London high rise apartment fire

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Edited Date/Time 6/14/2017 2:14pm
Hope for the best. Looks gruesome.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4601902/Huge-inferno-West-Londo…

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tunedlength 6/13/2017 8:30pm
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Guessing they have building codes for sophisticated sprinkler systems in the UK.
I wonder how the sprinkler system allowed the fire to spread so quickly?

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scott_nz 6/14/2017 12:28am
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i see they are now reporting deaths, cant think of a worse way to go personally,

Motocross83 6/14/2017 1:02am
6/14/2017 1:02am Edited Date/Time 6/14/2017 1:03am
According to the DM residents were citing severe safety concerns 4 yrs ago but complaints fell on deaf ears...

Appalling to force people to live in those monstrosities in the first place imo.

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M-M 6/14/2017 1:59am
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tunedlength wrote:
Guessing they have building codes for sophisticated sprinkler systems in the UK.
I wonder how the sprinkler system allowed the fire to spread so quickly?

Don't think there was a sprinkler system in the block.
The media here are blaming a cladding on a recent refurbishment on the building that's caused the block to go up in flames.
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newmann 6/14/2017 4:52am
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Motocross83 wrote:
According to the DM residents were citing severe safety concerns 4 yrs ago but complaints fell on deaf ears... Appalling to force people to live in...
According to the DM residents were citing severe safety concerns 4 yrs ago but complaints fell on deaf ears...

Appalling to force people to live in those monstrosities in the first place imo.
Forced to live there?
Andy_Greenney 6/14/2017 5:09am
6/14/2017 5:09am Edited Date/Time 6/14/2017 5:09am
Motocross83 wrote:
According to the DM residents were citing severe safety concerns 4 yrs ago but complaints fell on deaf ears... Appalling to force people to live in...
According to the DM residents were citing severe safety concerns 4 yrs ago but complaints fell on deaf ears...

Appalling to force people to live in those monstrosities in the first place imo.
Forced haha I wouldn't be surprised if some of them are/were approaching 1/2 million
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Hman144 6/14/2017 5:27am
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tunedlength wrote:
Guessing they have building codes for sophisticated sprinkler systems in the UK.
I wonder how the sprinkler system allowed the fire to spread so quickly?

I'd frankly be surprised if the building had sprinklers. European building codes are very different from NA codes, and fire protection typically depends more on non-combustible materials and compartmentalization than on active fire protection systems. Either way I haven't seen that detail in reports yet. I did see that the building had a "shelter-in-place" fire emergency response protocol. Crazy.

Either way, sprinklers would not have helped vertical fire spread up the outside of the building. It's being reported that the building was recently remodeled, and I'm betting we're going to find they used an EIFS type cladding- (exterior insulated finish system, sometimes identified by name of one of the major manufacturers Dryvit), or some other type of foam insulated core panel.

Motocross83 6/14/2017 5:56am
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Forced haha I wouldn't be surprised if some of them are/were approaching 1/2 million
Well some of them may be worth that sort of money, but I wonder how many people there owned them, and how much more regular housing would be worth today. In the 60s and 70s lot of the old Victorian housing needed knocking down and replacing, which is understandable, but I think we could've done better than the eyesores present. It did polarise opinion with many not wanting to leave their established communities, allotments, gardens, places for the children to interact easily and play etc. "Forced" was too strong though.
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AHRMA361 6/14/2017 6:29am
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Reports saying a mother threw her baby out the 10th story and a man on the ground caught it.

Hard to believe, but if true, I'd like to buy that man a drink.
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All started from a fridge. That's insane. I wouldn't want to be the owners of that building this morning. People complained about a bunch of stuff and nothing was done, the only stairway out of the building was blocked, no sprinkler system and the list goes on. I wouldn't be surprised to hear one of them killed himself. Who wants that kind of thing on their conscience knowing full well there were problems that needed solving.

They're saying they wouldn't be surprised that no one on the top 3 floors survived. Death toll possibly in the hundreds.

Sad situation. This reminds me of something that happened a couple of years ago in the province of Quebec. Maybe some of you have heard about the Lac-Mégantic tragedy. If not you can read about it here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-M%C3%A9gantic_rail_disaster

Anyone here ever loss something to fire? We have and it sucks.

We lost our house to a fire back in November of 2003 but thankfully for us everyone was safe. Only my mom and younger brother were home when it happened. My brother is the one that noticed something was wrong. He was in the basement doing something and when he needed something upstairs he noticed that he couldn't see through the glass door that went in the garage so he told our mom about it. When she went to take a look she just open the door a little and noticed the car was on fire in the garage. The first reaction she had was to open the garage door to get rid of the smoke but in doing so it just fueled the fire even more. It was already too late to do much about it because when they got outside practically the whole roof was on fire.
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Spydee 6/14/2017 10:07am
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So sad. London is having a shit time lately.

12 confirmed dead with more suspected shortly.
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Hman144 6/14/2017 10:13am
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On a related note, London Mayor and Chief Screwball Sadiq Khan said tragic fires are just part and parcel of living in a big city....

Just kidding.
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scott_nz 6/14/2017 11:19am
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Hman144 wrote:
On a related note, London Mayor and Chief Screwball Sadiq Khan said tragic fires are just part and parcel of living in a big city.... Just...
On a related note, London Mayor and Chief Screwball Sadiq Khan said tragic fires are just part and parcel of living in a big city....

Just kidding.
more like just being a dick,
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JRT812 6/14/2017 1:00pm
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AHRMA361 wrote:
Reports saying a mother threw her baby out the 10th story and a man on the ground caught it. Hard to believe, but if true, I'd...
Reports saying a mother threw her baby out the 10th story and a man on the ground caught it.

Hard to believe, but if true, I'd like to buy that man a drink.
Yeah, I dont know about that one, but impressive if true. Makes a good story either way.
Andy_Greenney 6/14/2017 2:00pm
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Property developers will no doubt be clambering to get their hands on the site, erect top priced apartments forcing the families out of the area. Good ol gentrification.
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MR. X 6/14/2017 2:14pm
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Sadly ,the chance of them recovering all of the deceased will be near impossible, it will probably be some time before the true number of those who died will actually be known. What a horrible situation.
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AHRMA361 wrote:
Reports saying a mother threw her baby out the 10th story and a man on the ground caught it. Hard to believe, but if true, I'd...
Reports saying a mother threw her baby out the 10th story and a man on the ground caught it.

Hard to believe, but if true, I'd like to buy that man a drink.
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Yeah, I dont know about that one, but impressive if true. Makes a good story either way.
The residents and bystanders interviewed today said numerous children were dropped to people below holding sheets to catch them.

A mother had also escaped from the top floor with six children to find only four by the time she got to the bottom.

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Mr. G 6/14/2017 7:43pm
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I am a fire sprinkler contractor. No way that bldg has sprinklers. Most normal fires are put out by just one head. Sprinkler systems by the way are not designed to have all the heads activate. Plus a bldg of that height would have a big diesel generator that turns on when the system goes off to make sure there is enough pressure on the top floor. The Twin Towers probably had the Mains severed by the planes which would render the system almost useless.
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tunedlength 6/14/2017 10:12pm
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I agree.
If the fire did in fact start from a tenants fridge, sprinklers would likely have stopped it before it reached the cladding.
Can not imagine the terror those people experienced.
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rubarb 6/15/2017 12:10pm
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Sounds lile someone hucked their baby overboard and someone on the ground caught ?
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billyslad 6/15/2017 1:09pm
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There were no sprinklers in place despite a recent remodel

Even a fire hose on each floor may have helped or for every few flats

The cause was an exploding fridge apparently

Drive by this place often on way in to work
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Barrett57 6/16/2017 1:59pm
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Now they are demanding the council to "force" them into another place to live it appears. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4611482/Protesters-storm-Kensington-Town-Hall-Grenfell-fire.html Riots always get things accomplished faster. [img]https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/06/16/18/4179750F00000578-4611482-A_group_of_protesters_who_got_into_Kensington_and_Chelsea_town_h-a-30_1497634538362.jpg[/img] [img]https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/06/16/19/4179A33200000578-4611482-image-m-55_1497636638710.jpg[/img] [img]https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/06/16/18/4179838200000578-4611482-A_tussel_erupted_in_the_middle_of_the_peaceful_protest_as_a_lone-a-27_1497634387309.jpg[/img]...
Now they are demanding the council to "force" them into another place to live it appears.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4611482/Protesters-storm-Kensin…

Riots always get things accomplished faster.







Theres a reason most people outside London think the place is a shithole full of idiots.
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MR. X 6/16/2017 2:52pm
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robkinuk 6/20/2017 4:37pm
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Death toll now up to 79 and sadly will rise move!

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