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Next Waco/Ruby Ridge?
This is the same type of situation that is happening to all of us with our OHV areas. The government takes the land away, but he's trying to make his defense be 'Well, previous generations did it". Try riding a motorcycle through somewhere that it is not allowed and then tell forest service that?!
This is a touchy subject for me, because it is happening ALL OVER Montana on public lands. I can't fucking stand it! Not all ranchers are this way though. My in-laws are 4th generation ranchers and farmers, but they own their own land to provide grazing for their cows. Also, my uncle and aunt have a huge angus ranch in Northern Montana, yet they provide land for grazing for their animals as well.
This guy is a crook, he just doesn't want to accept it.
The Shop
I think the show of force is appropriate. He can either comply with the law, or face the consequences.
These kinds of people ONLY know force. If you try to "reason" with them, they laugh at you.
His choice. Comply with the permitting process; get his cattle off MY public lands; or deal with force.
No crying about the outcome. It is ALL up to him.
It all boils down to he just doesn't want to pay for what everyone else is already paying for, because his daddy and granddaddy didn't have to pay for it. This cowboy needs to realize it isn't the 'ol West anymore.
Sounds like forces are beefing up though for their own security purposes at this point.
How far they take their security stance against one man & his family is what could lead to non-public support/outrage.
I believe that was the problem in Waco & also Ruby Ridge.
When I met Weaver years back when he was hitting up the gun show circuit in the NW...
His main gripe and his supporters gripe was not a show of force,it was the amount of force
& below the belt tactics that the feds used. For instance having a sniper shoot Vicky in the head while she cradled her infant.
Or even shooting little Sammy in the back. Then even in Waco they used* 1st SFOD B Squadron to take the compound.
A clear violation of Posse Comitatus Act. - even using them as advisers at first was illegal.
Unfortunately it took McVeigh's bombing in OKC to open eyes within the Feds and get policies changed.
That was something that had a major influence on the change of polices - whether people were blind to fact or not.
But it's a fact.
Personally,I don't see foresee the Feds messing up with this situation.
But it's clear some are anticipating it.
I have a problem with people using federal land for their personal gain, without paying a fee for the use of the land. It is there for us all to enjoy, and that form of enjoyment can take MANY forms.
The Bucket Brigade were issued PROVISIONAL water rights. One of the requirements for the continuation for the permit to be valid was for a certain amount of water to be in the reservoir. Several years of drought dropped the levels of the water reservoirs, so their permits were revoked. So what did they do? Cut the locks off the weirs, and kept their irrigation water flowing, not giving a shit what the consequences down-stream were.
And people lined up to back them, just like they will with this kook. If it can be spun as "anti-government", people will line up to support it. Even if it is REALLY stealing. Or a straight-up handout. They only look at the anti-government part, and could not care less about the rest........
Another situation going on just a few miles south of us is the Crescent Bar recreation area. Everyone's lease is up in the next few years and the Grant County PUD, which owns the land, received a legal opinion that they needed to convert the island back to public use because the leases are way too cheap to even begin to say that they are getting the public the biggest return on their investment.
Both of these issues have as their primary argument that their families have been using these lands for several generations, implying that despite the requirement that the land be leased for the maximum amount that the government can get, the leaseholders somehow "own" the land.
He is going about fighting this battle all the wrong way...he should hash it out in the courts and abide the law in the mean time.
The issue lies in who-constitutionally speaking-SHOULD own the land-who he should be paying for it-he feels the Feds can't-constitutionally-own the land so he refuses to pay them for it.
"I have had people ask me to explain my dad's stance on this BLM fight. Here it is in as simple of terms as I can explain it. There is so much to it, but here it s in a nut shell. My great grandpa bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887 around there. Then he sold them to my grandpa who then turned them over to my dad in 1972. These men bought and paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads to assure the servival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax dollars. These rights to the land use is called preemptive rights. Some where down the line, to keep the cows from over grazing, came the bureau of land management. They were supposed to assist the ranchers in the management of their ranges while the ranchers paid a yearly allotment which was to be use to pay the BLM wages and to help with repaires and improvements of the ranches. My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve. Instead they began using these money's against the ranchers. They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the area out with they're own grazing fees. When they offered to buy my dad out for a penence he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren't doing their job. He quit paying the BLM but, tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down. So my dad just went on running his ranch and making his own improvements with his own equipment and his own money, not taxes. In essence the BLM was managing my dad out of business. Well when buying him out didn't work, they used the indangered species card. You've already heard about the desert tortis. Well that didn't work either, so then began the threats and the court orders, which my dad has proven to be unlawful for all these years. Now their desperate. It's come down to buying the brand inspector off and threatening the County Sheriff. Everything their doing at this point is illegal and totally against the constitution of the United States of America. Now you may be saying," how sad, but what does this have to do with me?" Well, I'll tell you. They will get rid of Cliven Bundy, the last man standing on the Bunkerville allotment and then they will close all the roads so no one can ever go on it again. Next, it's Utah's turn. Mark my words, Utah is next.
Then there's the issue of the cattle that are at this moment being stolen. See even if dad hasn't paid them, those cattle do belong to him. Regardless where they are they are my fathers property. His herd has been part of that range for over a hundred years, long before the BLM even exsisted. Now the Feds think they can just come in and remove them and sell them without a legal brand inspection or without my dad's signature on it. They think they can take them over two boarders, which is illegal, ask any trucker. Then they plan to take them to the Richfeild Aucion and sell them. All with our tax money. They have paid off the contract cowboys and the auction owner as well as the Nevada brand inspector with our tax dollars. See how slick they are?
Well, this is it in a nut shell. Thanks"
He owes over $300K in back grazing fees. That's a chunk of change. Chances are that the cattle will be sold to settle that debt.
And we haven't even mentioned the "first amendment areas" the BLM set up, well out of sight of what they were doing...and arresting some family members for driving on a county road and video taping the round up...
Asshole environmentalist behind it gloating on twitter
https://twitter.com/ecorob6
Pit Row
Those desert tortoise's are really cool. When I was a kid my family would camp/ride out in the Kern County/California City area. My brother and I would sneak tortoise's home when we would find them. We would have three or four at a time in our back yard. Don't tell the enviro-terrorists on me.
Fuck these pigs
http://www.kpho.com/story/23252455/desert-tortoise-faces-threat-from-it…
Nothing to see here....move along folks...
This entire debacle stinks to high heaven!
(Sorry...I will take my tin foil hat off now.) lol
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