Israel swatting down missles

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Edited Date/Time 7/11/2014 7:59pm
Israel has a cool defense system,just watch it smoke a missile headed for tel aviv.

Hamas leaders are gonna get smoked next.
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Looks like Hamas has opened up,over 50 missiles.

My tax dollars bought those thanks to the antichrist in the white house.
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Well,when i used to make money to pay taxes on.
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hillbilly wrote:
Looks like Hamas has opened up,over 50 missiles.

My tax dollars bought those thanks to the antichrist in the white house.
yep. it is a big mess over there. i say fuck them all.

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You see that missile hit the hillside where about 5 Hamas were standing,lol,were that is.

Yeah,I'm with you,i hate everybody anymore.
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No matter what you say or what happens there will be a way to spin this hillbilly. Israel is the bad guy because of proportionality. Whatever the fuck that means.
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Ivan,I believe the Israelis would live there in peace,maybe they took that land but they needed it to defend the low ground.

But ,we know arabs or Muslims,whichever,will never be peaceful.

Don't think there is a moderate Muslim,they are either complacent with it all or scared of the radical side of their religion.
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hillbilly wrote:
Ivan,I believe the Israelis would live there in peace,maybe they took that land but they needed it to defend the low ground. But ,we know arabs...
Ivan,I believe the Israelis would live there in peace,maybe they took that land but they needed it to defend the low ground.

But ,we know arabs or Muslims,whichever,will never be peaceful.

Don't think there is a moderate Muslim,they are either complacent with it all or scared of the radical side of their religion.
Hillbilly, you're very wrong about that. The vast majority are moderate and peaceful. Maybe you forget that the largest Muslim nation in the world is Indonesia and most Muslims there are not radicalized or violent. How about Turkey, Armenia, Turkmenistan etc...? I'm am no fan of Islam; personally I despise it even more than most religions, but your perception would be laughable if it weren't so prevalent in America.

Most of the violence we see is the result of politics and the desire for more power, it's just that the Mullahs and now Caliph are smart enough to manipulate the little people into thinking it's a holy war and then the Koran can easily support this claim. My point is that those who instigate the violence and pull the strings don't really give a damn about the faith, but rather are power hungry opportunists. Without them, Islam is no better or no worse than Christianity.
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hillbilly wrote:
Ivan,I believe the Israelis would live there in peace,maybe they took that land but they needed it to defend the low ground. But ,we know arabs...
Ivan,I believe the Israelis would live there in peace,maybe they took that land but they needed it to defend the low ground.

But ,we know arabs or Muslims,whichever,will never be peaceful.

Don't think there is a moderate Muslim,they are either complacent with it all or scared of the radical side of their religion.
tvo314 wrote:
Hillbilly, you're very wrong about that. The vast majority are moderate and peaceful. Maybe you forget that the largest Muslim nation in the world is Indonesia...
Hillbilly, you're very wrong about that. The vast majority are moderate and peaceful. Maybe you forget that the largest Muslim nation in the world is Indonesia and most Muslims there are not radicalized or violent. How about Turkey, Armenia, Turkmenistan etc...? I'm am no fan of Islam; personally I despise it even more than most religions, but your perception would be laughable if it weren't so prevalent in America.

Most of the violence we see is the result of politics and the desire for more power, it's just that the Mullahs and now Caliph are smart enough to manipulate the little people into thinking it's a holy war and then the Koran can easily support this claim. My point is that those who instigate the violence and pull the strings don't really give a damn about the faith, but rather are power hungry opportunists. Without them, Islam is no better or no worse than Christianity.
Sounds just like what hillbilly said.
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I'm arguing the points that, "arabs or Muslims, whichever, will never be peaceful." I gave examples of why this idea is not true. And I disagree that there aren't any moderate muslims, there are plenty, whether he thinks that's because of complacency or fear is irrelevant. Fundamentally, he and I might not be miles apart, but I have issues with those two particular points.
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There is Merit to both tvo and Hillbillies points. I can shed a little light about Indonesia as I have been there many times. There are millions of moderate Muslims in Indonesia as well as millions of Christians. There are also a large number of radical Muslims and by radical I mean they practice Sharia Law, primarily on the island of Sumatra. There are not many places on Sumatra that would be wise for a westerner to go. The Indonesian government does arrest and deter terrorism for the most part. It is a strange feeling for an American to have car doors opened and mirrors run underneath the car every where you go and any parking lot you pull into. This happens mostly in Jakarta and Bali. The Bali bombers came from the island of Java, the location of most moderate Muslims. Though, the Indonesian government does a lot and is proactive on deterring terrorism, there is also a lot of over looking that goes on toward radical Muslims. For instance it is common knowledge of there being encampments of radical Muslims on Java island that pulls young uneducated boys from the streets and embraces them into their communities and they live in secured compounds. I've seen them with my own eyes. These encampments are the same place that the Bali bombers operated from.
Though there are millions of moderate Muslims in Indonesia, many are Muslim from being listed that way by the government. To be a citizen of Indonesia, you have to be registered as being a member of an organized religion. Many that are listed as Muslims are really a mix of Buddhist or Hindu and practice a little bit of each and are registered as Muslims, many for political reasons and are prominently have Javanese ancestry. This practice has been evident 1000's of years ago where there is evidence that the Brobudur Temple was shared by both Buddhist and Hindu religions. Christians in Indonesia are mostly of Chinese ancestry. Hindus live mostly on Bali and the island chains. It is interesting that they are kind of separated into regions via religion.
Arab Muslims that travel to Indonesia are of a different breed. Their sense of entitlement and just general assholeishness
is unbelievable. That is not just speaking of rich ones from Dubai but Iranian, Pakistani ect. It takes 2 seconds to see they are different. From my experience, I agree with what Hillbilly said about Arab Muslims and how they will never be peaceful. I don't know if it is the Arab in them or the Muslim or the combination of the two that make them the way they are but they are different than most Muslims in Indonesia for sure.
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There is Merit to both tvo and Hillbillies points. I can shed a little light about Indonesia as I have been there many times. There are...
There is Merit to both tvo and Hillbillies points. I can shed a little light about Indonesia as I have been there many times. There are millions of moderate Muslims in Indonesia as well as millions of Christians. There are also a large number of radical Muslims and by radical I mean they practice Sharia Law, primarily on the island of Sumatra. There are not many places on Sumatra that would be wise for a westerner to go. The Indonesian government does arrest and deter terrorism for the most part. It is a strange feeling for an American to have car doors opened and mirrors run underneath the car every where you go and any parking lot you pull into. This happens mostly in Jakarta and Bali. The Bali bombers came from the island of Java, the location of most moderate Muslims. Though, the Indonesian government does a lot and is proactive on deterring terrorism, there is also a lot of over looking that goes on toward radical Muslims. For instance it is common knowledge of there being encampments of radical Muslims on Java island that pulls young uneducated boys from the streets and embraces them into their communities and they live in secured compounds. I've seen them with my own eyes. These encampments are the same place that the Bali bombers operated from.
Though there are millions of moderate Muslims in Indonesia, many are Muslim from being listed that way by the government. To be a citizen of Indonesia, you have to be registered as being a member of an organized religion. Many that are listed as Muslims are really a mix of Buddhist or Hindu and practice a little bit of each and are registered as Muslims, many for political reasons and are prominently have Javanese ancestry. This practice has been evident 1000's of years ago where there is evidence that the Brobudur Temple was shared by both Buddhist and Hindu religions. Christians in Indonesia are mostly of Chinese ancestry. Hindus live mostly on Bali and the island chains. It is interesting that they are kind of separated into regions via religion.
Arab Muslims that travel to Indonesia are of a different breed. Their sense of entitlement and just general assholeishness
is unbelievable. That is not just speaking of rich ones from Dubai but Iranian, Pakistani ect. It takes 2 seconds to see they are different. From my experience, I agree with what Hillbilly said about Arab Muslims and how they will never be peaceful. I don't know if it is the Arab in them or the Muslim or the combination of the two that make them the way they are but they are different than most Muslims in Indonesia for sure.
Good post. I spent a few weeks in Sumatra early last year and also saw much of what you explained so well.

Ultimately, I'm afraid that Hillbilly will become more and more correct and that' s a shame because it wasn't always that way with Islam. Like I said, I'm no fan of it, but I recognize that in the past it did allow for periods of peace. I had a Jewish professor who grew up in Iran and had wonderful memories of it, obviously today's Iran is very different. The Ottomans also thrived under periods of relative peace. What about the nearly 3 million muslims living in America today, most who are anything but violent. Of course it's easy to point out exceptions and that doesn't mean specific examples of violence aren't useful, it just doesn't confirm that all Muslims are violent and will always be so.

For a counter-example, I've got a friend who is a political refugee from Uzbekistan who has a scar across his scalp from a sniper's bullet. He's extremely devoted to Islam, but he's also now a living symbol of the American dream. I met him when I was a waiter paying for my studies and he was a dishwasher with nothing. Through a huge amount of determination, he's put himself through law school; he loves America and everything it's allowed him to accomplish. He's now trying to use his success to better the situation in his home country.

I guess I'm just a little sensitive to huge generalizations, because it's not as simple as some people believe it to be.
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The main issue I have with most Muslim/ Arabic people are that they never condone the actions of their peers. Very rarely. It is like a cop ratting another cop out, it dont happen. I dont have a issue with their beliefs other then their lack of ability to speak out against shit when it is wrong within their own religion.
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The high ground Israel occupies is irrelevant. Palestinians wont recognize the legitimacy of Israel as a nation within any size boarders.
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Fuck the arabs. I hope Israel smites those monsters back into the days of Mesopotamia.
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Palestine has recognized Israel's right to exist, just not as a "Jewish state".
7/9/2014 1:24pm
Racer92 wrote:
Fuck the arabs. I hope Israel smites those monsters back into the days of Mesopotamia.
They live in Caves and still ride camels how much further back can we send those ignorant bastards?
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They've been fighting in the middle east since the beginning of time...I say we let them fight.
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Racer92 wrote:
Fuck the arabs. I hope Israel smites those monsters back into the days of Mesopotamia.
They live in Caves and still ride camels how much further back can we send those ignorant bastards?
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Israel doesn't have the right to that land...
Really, why not?
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7/9/2014 7:14pm Edited Date/Time 7/9/2014 7:16pm
thesadguy wrote:
Israel doesn't have the right to that land...
who cares.
my point exactly. why are we helping israel? they dont deserve our support. Let them and palestine fight it out like it should have happened.

i also said this because there are a lot of people who want to support israel. who gives a fuck about them? they stole the land, let them fight for it. i am not muslim btw. i just dont like israel.
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thesadguy wrote:
Israel doesn't have the right to that land...
who cares.
thesadguy wrote:
my point exactly. why are we helping israel? they dont deserve our support. Let them and palestine fight it out like it should have happened. i...
my point exactly. why are we helping israel? they dont deserve our support. Let them and palestine fight it out like it should have happened.

i also said this because there are a lot of people who want to support israel. who gives a fuck about them? they stole the land, let them fight for it. i am not muslim btw. i just dont like israel.
i am not muslim btw. i just dont like israel.

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thesadguy wrote:
my point exactly. why are we helping israel? they dont deserve our support. Let them and palestine fight it out like it should have happened. i...
my point exactly. why are we helping israel? they dont deserve our support. Let them and palestine fight it out like it should have happened.

i also said this because there are a lot of people who want to support israel. who gives a fuck about them? they stole the land, let them fight for it. i am not muslim btw. i just dont like israel.
I am with you 100% man. I don't care what happens over there. I'm only concerned with what goes on here. The money and resources we waste could be used here. Maybe build a few fences.....Whistling
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i am not muslim btw. i just dont like israel.

Nazi?
No.
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thesadguy wrote:
Israel doesn't have the right to that land...
who cares.
thesadguy wrote:
my point exactly. why are we helping israel? they dont deserve our support. Let them and palestine fight it out like it should have happened. i...
my point exactly. why are we helping israel? they dont deserve our support. Let them and palestine fight it out like it should have happened.

i also said this because there are a lot of people who want to support israel. who gives a fuck about them? they stole the land, let them fight for it. i am not muslim btw. i just dont like israel.
Stole the land? Explain.

What tribe used to live on your property?
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who cares.
thesadguy wrote:
my point exactly. why are we helping israel? they dont deserve our support. Let them and palestine fight it out like it should have happened. i...
my point exactly. why are we helping israel? they dont deserve our support. Let them and palestine fight it out like it should have happened.

i also said this because there are a lot of people who want to support israel. who gives a fuck about them? they stole the land, let them fight for it. i am not muslim btw. i just dont like israel.
BigAl wrote:
Stole the land? Explain.

What tribe used to live on your property?
The tribe I stole my land from has a casino or two and gets to catch all the salmon they want out of the Columbia river using nets...ohh, and they get to kill a bunch more deer and elk without regard to pesky game laws. I dont think they pay taxes either.



Check with the Palestinians and see if they'll go for any of that to stop being so annoying.

7/10/2014 6:45am Edited Date/Time 7/10/2014 6:46am
thesadguy wrote:
my point exactly. why are we helping israel? they dont deserve our support. Let them and palestine fight it out like it should have happened. i...
my point exactly. why are we helping israel? they dont deserve our support. Let them and palestine fight it out like it should have happened.

i also said this because there are a lot of people who want to support israel. who gives a fuck about them? they stole the land, let them fight for it. i am not muslim btw. i just dont like israel.
They stole the land, let them fight for it

The current inhabitants of nearly every country on the map today displaced the previous inhabitants. Your country included. Do you hate every country in the world?

Edit: my country included also

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