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Griff.747
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Edited Date/Time 11/9/2013 11:03am
I've been looking at a new AR 15 to buy. I think I have decided in a bushmaster. If you have one let me know what you think of it. And input on others
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11/6/2013 8:00pm Edited Date/Time 11/7/2013 11:31am
I love mine, it will shoot .223 5.56 good ammo, cheap ammo , bass or steel case and with several thousand rounds through it no problems.




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11/7/2013 4:19am Edited Date/Time 11/7/2013 4:20am
Shame on you two for promoting weapons that have been responsible for the death of so many innocent people in this country. Every round you guys fire through those weapons is only adding to the gun violence problem.

I also have an Ar-15, but I bought it from a small business in Idaho called Quality Arms. They manufacture their own lower receivers and upper assemblies, but buy from other companies for everything else. It's been a great gun. Been happy to have it in my collection. I got lucky, because I bought it about a month prior to the Connecticut shooting last year and only had to spend about $650 for it. The same gun I bought was being sold for over $1300 for quite a while afterwards.
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11/7/2013 6:10am Edited Date/Time 11/7/2013 7:28pm
Griff.747 wrote:
I've been looking at a new AR 15 to buy. I think I have decided in a bushmaster. If you have one let me know what...
I've been looking at a new AR 15 to buy. I think I have decided in a bushmaster. If you have one let me know what you think of it. And input on others
Input.

I've owned many different brands and built many AR15's & AR10's over the years..
Most those gas only rifles are sort of a thing of the past within today's standards IMO (in a sense that better technology is out there and available).
I have a few gas only rifles - but I do lots of custom drilling & other stuff to them to get them to work to my standards.
Like drilling the bolts & buffer system to get the rifle to drain right after being submerged.
In an emergency situation - you want that rifle to be reliable as possible in all conditions.
I like them to be somewhat safe for OTB techniques also.

If you want the real good stuff that is kick ass out of the box.
Look into a HK MR556 A1 http://www.hk-usa.com/civilian_products/mr556_general.asp or a KAC SR15 http://www.knightarmco.com .
The MR556 is by far the best civilian AR15 platform rifle built to date out of the box - I have 2 rifles built on the MR556 upper platform.It's gas piston unlike the regular gas rifles and you don't have to drill anything for OTB drills IMO.
It's very reliable and if you can find a true HK416 upper for it then that's a plus.
The 416 uppers are spendy though $4,000+ just for the upper.
You can also even get better OTB kits for them also - is what I've heard anyway.


Here is a really neat SR15
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=375000506#PIC

MR556
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=374312614

This 416 here looks good also for 10k.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=374867274


Here's the difference with a top of the line Competition Colt (not drilled / stock) vs HK 416 stock with a OTB test.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGwkHktkTxU
The gas only Colt explodes.
The gas piston 416 functions flawlessly.

Here's one of my MR556's in Multicam.
http://i.imgur.com/w5Gv9Wg.jpg
I used a standard milspec ar lower because I like the angled magwell for quicker reload techniques.
But all the the parts in that lower are top of the line stuff.
I run geissele triggers http://geissele.com/hkmr556trigger-2.aspx in both my MR556's.
And also ambi safety's.Take down pins are off a real HK416.

Another company you may want to look into also is Noveske http://noveske.com
They make some great stuff also.

Here's a few of my Gas only rifles.

Here's one of my AR10's - this one here I would never trust in the water though.
But it's a .308 so it's got some knock down power & a great target rifle.
I did some stuff to modify the gas system so it will eat most .308 ammo with no malfunctions.
http://i.imgur.com/nju9YAm.jpg

Here's one of my M4 clone's - that has been modified.
It was a stock Rock River LAR15 before I got a hold of it.
http://i.imgur.com/nr4g2Pd.jpg

Here's my 7.5 gas only AR.
http://i.imgur.com/BSBsskJ.jpg


Piston
A .300BLK piston side folder I finished a couple weeks ago.
It's a cross between an AK47 & an AR15.
http://i.imgur.com/b7s2chc.jpg


If you are looking for something different.
These AUGs are cool. They are gas - but you can adjust the gas system on them for certain ammo/conditions ect..
And a great alternative if you want something for CQB and dont want to go through the SBR stamp process.
This is one of my most favorite rifles I've ever owned just for playing around. I've grown to really like this thing.
And have been looking for a transferable Title2 full auto one.
I put reflex sight on it in the front and a offset NV sight in the rear.
As I said - it's a really fun rifle. It fits in a waterproof backpack I have also.
http://i.imgur.com/WrIosKG.jpg


Here's gas only retro build I did for my Dad last year.
http://i.imgur.com/hFDzmwx.jpg
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11/7/2013 7:43am Edited Date/Time 11/7/2013 7:44am
lostboy819 wrote:
I love mine, it will shoot .223 5.56 good ammo, cheap ammo , bass or steel case and with several thousand rounds through it no problems...
I love mine, it will shoot .223 5.56 good ammo, cheap ammo , bass or steel case and with several thousand rounds through it no problems.




Ed, how do you like that Lucid optic so far?
Pretty good stuff for the price aye(that's what I've heard)?

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11/7/2013 8:02am
I was going to reply but FastEddy has this one covered. I think he has probably forgotten more than I've ever learned so I'll take this opportunity to listen instead of speak which doesn't happen very often Laughing
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11/7/2013 9:07am Edited Date/Time 11/7/2013 11:34am
Hey Griff, I just realized that you are from Idaho.
If you want to deal with a in state manufacture that makes some really neat looking newer billet type stuff.
Check these guys out - they are located in Lewiston Idaho.
http://www.seekinsprecision.com
I've never owned any of their stuff, but I've seen good feedback on forums in the past about them.
They seem to be becoming quite popular and folks have been buying up their billet lowers.

Another company worth mentioning is LWRC www.lwrci.com
They are located in Maryland - but they also make some great stuff.

Another rifle that is popular are the FN SCAR 16's & 17's (.308).
Bushmaster actually makes a somewhat similar rifle called an ACR - if you decide to get a Bushmaster that's the model I would look into.Some guys really like them.
But the FN SCAR 16's are quite a bit better in most of the reviews I've read...Just a bit more expensive.

If you are looking to deal with private party's.
You could also always check Arms List and see whats out there also.
http://www.armslist.com/classifieds/idaho-falls-idaho/all
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lostboy819 wrote:
I love mine, it will shoot .223 5.56 good ammo, cheap ammo , bass or steel case and with several thousand rounds through it no problems...
I love mine, it will shoot .223 5.56 good ammo, cheap ammo , bass or steel case and with several thousand rounds through it no problems.




For the price its great, Zeroed in in a few shots and it has never lost it zero point. Performs way better than a $200 red dot should.
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11/7/2013 11:35am Edited Date/Time 11/7/2013 11:49am
lostboy819 wrote:
For the price its great, Zeroed in in a few shots and it has never lost it zero point. Performs way better than a $200 red...
For the price its great, Zeroed in in a few shots and it has never lost it zero point. Performs way better than a $200 red dot should.
That's awesome.
I may pick up one for one of my next builds.
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I don't know enough about shooting or guns to have a valid opinion but some of the hardware that has been flowing into my house from Yankee Hill (YHM.net) has been some really nice looking stuff. I have some of their 16 and 20 inch 5.56 and a 16 inch 6.8 upper. They machine all of their stuff in house.











I also have a couple Rock River AR's that are both nice guns. One is a 16 in LefT Operator, for us left handed types. The other is a older (2003?) NMA4 National Match with the 20 inch stainless heavy match barrel and weighted forearm. That gun feels put together really good. Everything about that gun feels tight , smooth and precise just from fondling it. Rock Rivers are the two in the center. Bottom right is a 22 cal Colt that's a blast to shoot without emptying the wallet.



And then I built one from a military surplus parts gun with a new Yankee Hill lower receiver and a 20 inch Nam era pencil barrel. That's my retro build for my newly graduated Marine.


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11/7/2013 12:50pm
Bushmaster? Why get a clone? May as well get the mil-spec original !

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11/7/2013 1:03pm Edited Date/Time 11/7/2013 1:12pm
Racer92 wrote:
Bushmaster? Why get a clone? May as well get the mil-spec original ! [img]http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag48/Speak-Easy/Firearms/M4_zpsee95fbe1.jpg[/img]
Bushmaster? Why get a clone? May as well get the mil-spec original !

The original M4 carbine's were Eugene Stoner designed and made by ArmaLite.
Colt's are actually clones in a sense that they bought the design from ArmaLite.
But all AR lowers are basically mill-spec but some do have commercial buffer tubes.
The slanted buffer tubes are commercial.

I believe KAC owns the rights to use the Stoner name these days.
Here's a random KAC lower.
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My new gun..........



Okay not really but I want one, is it any good experts? Worth 2000 bucks?
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That's a prototype isn't it Newmann?
Or a replica of a prototype?



I'll let you guys in on something when it comes to forged mill-spec stripped lowers in this day & age.
Most are all made to the same quality.Some even are massed produced by the same company just with different brand markings. It's all about what markings you want.

Then you have billets which are stamped out - usually made in house.
They have more of a customized look.

Then the Polymer stuff which I'm not a fan of.
They are plastic IMO.
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11/7/2013 1:39pm Edited Date/Time 11/7/2013 1:45pm
Crash82 wrote:
My new gun.......... [img]https://4b1e874935ea5d25a97e-f099844d0e354c7ab50c55a966be6870.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/product/resized/F1IWITSIDF16Y.jpg[/img] Okay not really but I want one, is it any good experts? Worth 2000 bucks?
My new gun..........



Okay not really but I want one, is it any good experts? Worth 2000 bucks?
Those Tavors are supposed to be decent bullpups.

But in all reality you would be better off picking up one these AUG A3's - they are around the same price range also.
Here's one in BAMA!
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=375064496

To elaborate a little more.
The AUG has been around forever and has been perfected IMO.
The Tavor is a newer rifle but hasnt been around all that long.
I think it has room to perfect,before it reaches AUG status.
That's my opinion anyway.
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FastEddy wrote:
That's a prototype isn't it Newmann? Or a replica of a prototype? I'll let you guys in on something when it comes to forged mill-spec stripped...
That's a prototype isn't it Newmann?
Or a replica of a prototype?



I'll let you guys in on something when it comes to forged mill-spec stripped lowers in this day & age.
Most are all made to the same quality.Some even are massed produced by the same company just with different brand markings. It's all about what markings you want.

Then you have billets which are stamped out - usually made in house.
They have more of a customized look.

Then the Polymer stuff which I'm not a fan of.
They are plastic IMO.
Good site for a little AR history.

http://www.retroblackrifle.com/
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Newmann, I was told Colt was the ones who set the mil-spec that all the rest were measured by?
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11/7/2013 2:18pm Edited Date/Time 11/7/2013 2:44pm
Racer92 wrote:
Newmann, I was told Colt was the ones who set the mil-spec that all the rest were measured by?
What are you calling Mill-spec?
The metals they use or the actual interchangeable parts?
Armalite started it with the design - parts.

AR always meant Armalite Rifle.
Colt bought the design and landed Gov contracts.
The quality of the metals Colt used are great.
They created a kickass CAR-15. calling it an automatic rifle (hence the AR there - automatic rifle).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAR-15
"The CAR-15 name was an attempt to re-associate the AR-15 name with Colt, since the AR initially stood for ArmaLite Rifle, the original manufacturer"

But Mill-Spec now a days just means parts are interchangeable.
You have commercial & mill spec buffer tubes.

Then there's the whole....
Colt Defense & Colt Manufacturing are separate companies also.
But both companies make mill-spec parts to today's standards.
Colt Defense makes rifles for law enforcement, military, and private contractors.
Colt Manufacturing makes civilian rifles.But really the lowers are the same with different markings.
But the whole M4 lower thing goes back to Armalite http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_carbine

This is a Colt Defense lower.



This is a Colt Manufacturing lower.
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newmann wrote:
I'd like one of these. [img]https://bpullignwolnet.dotster.com/retroblackrifle/sitebuilder/images/Hydra-Matic-600x560.jpg[/img]
I'd like one of these.

General Motors Smile
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11/7/2013 2:56pm Edited Date/Time 11/7/2013 2:57pm
These HK416 lowers can withstand a lot also.
These are from when a Chinook was hit by an RGP and exploded in midair.
Other then the finish being fucked up with burns and some scuffing and a broken trigger guard - it (stripped lower/frame) looks reusable.
Just sand blast it and get some filler & refinish. Smile



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Griff.747 wrote:
I've been looking at a new AR 15 to buy. I think I have decided in a bushmaster. If you have one let me know what...
I've been looking at a new AR 15 to buy. I think I have decided in a bushmaster. If you have one let me know what you think of it. And input on others
FastEddy wrote:
Input. I've owned many different brands and built many AR15's & AR10's over the years.. Most those gas only rifles are sort of a thing of...
Input.

I've owned many different brands and built many AR15's & AR10's over the years..
Most those gas only rifles are sort of a thing of the past within today's standards IMO (in a sense that better technology is out there and available).
I have a few gas only rifles - but I do lots of custom drilling & other stuff to them to get them to work to my standards.
Like drilling the bolts & buffer system to get the rifle to drain right after being submerged.
In an emergency situation - you want that rifle to be reliable as possible in all conditions.
I like them to be somewhat safe for OTB techniques also.

If you want the real good stuff that is kick ass out of the box.
Look into a HK MR556 A1 http://www.hk-usa.com/civilian_products/mr556_general.asp or a KAC SR15 http://www.knightarmco.com .
The MR556 is by far the best civilian AR15 platform rifle built to date out of the box - I have 2 rifles built on the MR556 upper platform.It's gas piston unlike the regular gas rifles and you don't have to drill anything for OTB drills IMO.
It's very reliable and if you can find a true HK416 upper for it then that's a plus.
The 416 uppers are spendy though $4,000+ just for the upper.
You can also even get better OTB kits for them also - is what I've heard anyway.


Here is a really neat SR15
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=375000506#PIC

MR556
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=374312614

This 416 here looks good also for 10k.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=374867274


Here's the difference with a top of the line Competition Colt (not drilled / stock) vs HK 416 stock with a OTB test.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGwkHktkTxU
The gas only Colt explodes.
The gas piston 416 functions flawlessly.

Here's one of my MR556's in Multicam.
http://i.imgur.com/w5Gv9Wg.jpg
I used a standard milspec ar lower because I like the angled magwell for quicker reload techniques.
But all the the parts in that lower are top of the line stuff.
I run geissele triggers http://geissele.com/hkmr556trigger-2.aspx in both my MR556's.
And also ambi safety's.Take down pins are off a real HK416.

Another company you may want to look into also is Noveske http://noveske.com
They make some great stuff also.

Here's a few of my Gas only rifles.

Here's one of my AR10's - this one here I would never trust in the water though.
But it's a .308 so it's got some knock down power & a great target rifle.
I did some stuff to modify the gas system so it will eat most .308 ammo with no malfunctions.
http://i.imgur.com/nju9YAm.jpg

Here's one of my M4 clone's - that has been modified.
It was a stock Rock River LAR15 before I got a hold of it.
http://i.imgur.com/nr4g2Pd.jpg

Here's my 7.5 gas only AR.
http://i.imgur.com/BSBsskJ.jpg


Piston
A .300BLK piston side folder I finished a couple weeks ago.
It's a cross between an AK47 & an AR15.
http://i.imgur.com/b7s2chc.jpg


If you are looking for something different.
These AUGs are cool. They are gas - but you can adjust the gas system on them for certain ammo/conditions ect..
And a great alternative if you want something for CQB and dont want to go through the SBR stamp process.
This is one of my most favorite rifles I've ever owned just for playing around. I've grown to really like this thing.
And have been looking for a transferable Title2 full auto one.
I put reflex sight on it in the front and a offset NV sight in the rear.
As I said - it's a really fun rifle. It fits in a waterproof backpack I have also.
http://i.imgur.com/WrIosKG.jpg


Here's gas only retro build I did for my Dad last year.
http://i.imgur.com/hFDzmwx.jpg
Now Eddy.....you call this a neat gun? This would be the equivalent of showing up at the track in pink gear and not being able to ride. You better know how to shoot if you show up at the range with this candy ass looking thing.....Laughing

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11/7/2013 3:18pm Edited Date/Time 11/7/2013 3:31pm
newmann wrote:
Now Eddy.....you call this a neat gun? This would be the equivalent of showing up at the track in pink gear and not being able to...
Now Eddy.....you call this a neat gun? This would be the equivalent of showing up at the track in pink gear and not being able to ride. You better know how to shoot if you show up at the range with this candy ass looking thing.....Laughing

Hell yeah.
That's a SR15 all tricked out for Zombie Hunting.
And we aint talking ranges... we're talking kill houses full of Zombies. Smile


This Kryptek stuff is really neat camo also.



I'm doing some of my ARAK 21 parts in this pattern here.


This one looks cool.
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FastEddy wrote:
Hell yeah. That's a SR15 all tricked out for Zombie Hunting. And we aint talking ranges... we're talking kill houses full of Zombies. :) This Kryptek...
Hell yeah.
That's a SR15 all tricked out for Zombie Hunting.
And we aint talking ranges... we're talking kill houses full of Zombies. Smile


This Kryptek stuff is really neat camo also.



I'm doing some of my ARAK 21 parts in this pattern here.


This one looks cool.
Oh boy.....I met you at a local gun show last year.Laughing

No shitting, this guy was all serious sounding about the zombies. I overheard the conversation going on behind me and just had to glance over my shoulder to see if it was what I was expecting. Not to be let down, two weird looking fat guys.
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newmann wrote:
Oh boy.....I met you at a local gun show last year.:laugh: No shitting, this guy was all serious sounding about the zombies. I overheard the conversation...
Oh boy.....I met you at a local gun show last year.Laughing

No shitting, this guy was all serious sounding about the zombies. I overheard the conversation going on behind me and just had to glance over my shoulder to see if it was what I was expecting. Not to be let down, two weird looking fat guys.
Hahahaha. Grinning

Should have asked them what they thought about bath salts. Smile
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FastEddy wrote:
What are you calling Mill-spec? The metals they use or the actual interchangeable parts? Armalite started it with the design - parts. AR always meant Armalite...
What are you calling Mill-spec?
The metals they use or the actual interchangeable parts?
Armalite started it with the design - parts.

AR always meant Armalite Rifle.
Colt bought the design and landed Gov contracts.
The quality of the metals Colt used are great.
They created a kickass CAR-15. calling it an automatic rifle (hence the AR there - automatic rifle).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAR-15
"The CAR-15 name was an attempt to re-associate the AR-15 name with Colt, since the AR initially stood for ArmaLite Rifle, the original manufacturer"

But Mill-Spec now a days just means parts are interchangeable.
You have commercial & mill spec buffer tubes.

Then there's the whole....
Colt Defense & Colt Manufacturing are separate companies also.
But both companies make mill-spec parts to today's standards.
Colt Defense makes rifles for law enforcement, military, and private contractors.
Colt Manufacturing makes civilian rifles.But really the lowers are the same with different markings.
But the whole M4 lower thing goes back to Armalite http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_carbine

This is a Colt Defense lower.



This is a Colt Manufacturing lower.
Newmann, this is what I meant:

"The Colt M4 is the ONLY 5.56mm carbine in the world today that is manufactured to meet or exceed the stringent performance specifications (MILSPEC) required for acceptance and use by the U.S. Armed Forces."

http://www.colt.com/ColtMilitary/Products/ColtM4Carbine.aspx

I guess there is lots of myth floating around and I invite any clarification, but we were told when we bought the rifle that Colt was the company who came up with the actual Military Specification numbers for that rifle that were adopted by the US Military and are today still the only 'MilSpec' rifle out there. I guess if that is incorrect somebody might wanna send an email to Colt Arms LOL !
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11/7/2013 4:48pm Edited Date/Time 11/7/2013 4:57pm
Racer92 wrote:
Newmann, this is what I meant: [b]"The Colt M4 is the ONLY 5.56mm carbine in the world today that is manufactured to meet or exceed the...
Newmann, this is what I meant:

"The Colt M4 is the ONLY 5.56mm carbine in the world today that is manufactured to meet or exceed the stringent performance specifications (MILSPEC) required for acceptance and use by the U.S. Armed Forces."

http://www.colt.com/ColtMilitary/Products/ColtM4Carbine.aspx

I guess there is lots of myth floating around and I invite any clarification, but we were told when we bought the rifle that Colt was the company who came up with the actual Military Specification numbers for that rifle that were adopted by the US Military and are today still the only 'MilSpec' rifle out there. I guess if that is incorrect somebody might wanna send an email to Colt Arms LOL !
That sounds more like a marketing pitch.
Probably the specs for that particular model/ m4 variation - but not the original M4 in general.
However,every part on that rifle is interchangeable with hundreds of other M4/AR15 variants all the way back to
the ArmaLite...from my understanding. There were some colts made that were a bit different though.

As for Mil-Spec standards of a rifle.
The military these days has contracts with FN,HK & KAC ,Colt ,Ect...
Most of our elite forces use the HK416 these days.
They also use the HK MP7 http://militaryvids.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/ksk_30.jpg .

They had also used the SCAR 16's & 17's - but SOCOM went back to HK's & Colts I believe.
But some branches still use the SCAR's.
Some Spec Op's guys even use the KAC SR47's.
It takes AK47 mags. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR-47 they set them up with Colt SOPMOD kits ect..
They also use the SR15's.
They also use variants of many other rifles.
I guess all the stuff would be up to military standards or exceed it - or else some of the best operators in the world wouldn't use them.Sometimes it has to do with contracts for the lowest bidders. However,the Delta & Devgru guys pretty much run whatever they want and they feel is suitable.The HK 416 was so good - they wanted it to replace the SAW I believe.
Don't know if they ever did or not.

Here's an elite unit of operators with SCAR's.




This HK416 on the bottom was on the infamous Bin Laden raid.
Same with the launcher (pirate gun lol) in the middle.
That's a MP7 on top.

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