Calif. considering ban on sale of internal combustion engine?

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The writing is on the wall- the internal combustion engine is headed for a museum. China, France and the UK have already decided to phase them out, California will surely follow. This will completely scramble the auto industry and eventually turn the oil industry into a Shell of itself (get it?).
So it is simply unavoidable that MX will go electric- unless recreational usage of IC engines continues after they are banned for on-road transportation, which I highly doubt.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-26/california-mulls-fol…


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Titan1 9/27/2017 10:22am
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How would that affect tourism?

If the neighboring states still allow ICE engines...and, for example, someone from Nevada wants to take their family to Disneyland...so they load the family in their gas powered SUV, do they have to stop at the CA boarder and take a bus?
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MR. X 9/27/2017 10:35am
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Just the sales? That could pretty ugly if they ban gas vehicles from the state totally ,how would anything get delivered to the state?
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Going to start a booming business at the Nevada and Oregon state lines, transferring freight into electric trucks, apparently.
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"The internal combustion engine’s days may be numbered in California, where officials are mulling whether a ban on sales of polluting autos is needed to achieve long-term targets for cleaner air."

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Dudes, it is going to go this way sooner or later. Enjoy your gas-burning stuff while you can.
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Falcon wrote:
"The internal combustion engine’s days may be numbered in California, where officials are mulling whether a ban on [b][i]sales[/b][/i] of polluting autos is needed to achieve...
"The internal combustion engine’s days may be numbered in California, where officials are mulling whether a ban on sales of polluting autos is needed to achieve long-term targets for cleaner air."
Yeah- they could never ban them from the state's borders. It will take years and years to phase out the ICE- but it will happen eventually. A lot sooner than I ever expected.
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akillerwombat 9/27/2017 12:34pm
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I'm cool with it – I can already imagine how much cleaner the air here in LA would be.
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Guess we better fire up those coal plants to make the extra power needed ,I can smell the clean air already.
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Anything to put Big Oil outta business I support.
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Tongue & cheek thought, If this should come to be, drone interest and technology would start bustling.
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GuyB 9/27/2017 2:17pm
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You guys are making some quick jumps here. The article said "considering", and, "The earliest such a ban is at least a decade away."
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akillerwombat 9/27/2017 2:29pm
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GuyB wrote:
You guys are making some quick jumps here. The article said "considering", and, "The earliest such a ban is at least a decade away."
An overreaction in non-moto?! I refuse to believe it.
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XXVoid MainXX 9/27/2017 3:22pm
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Yeah, it has to happen sooner or later, and there are several good reasons for it to happen sooner than later (which many of us have discussed previously).
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Mr. G 9/27/2017 3:43pm
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There is not enough infrastructure for it. That is a lot of electricity to create.
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Mr. G wrote:
There is not enough infrastructure for it. That is a lot of electricity to create.
Yep. Nobody seems to consider this. We already have unreliable power and import to much power.
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XXVoid MainXX 9/27/2017 5:35pm
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Mr. G wrote:
There is not enough infrastructure for it. That is a lot of electricity to create.
The grid will change its look as the transition happens over the next few decades.
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"From my cold dead hands". Cool

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Someone will make a fortune disposing (burying) all the used batteries. (I know they are supposedly recycled), also problems supplying lithium battery materials and disposal with environmental consequences
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I've got no loyalty to the ICE engine...but I do like the lifestyle and freedoms it affords.

If electric (or whatever) vehicles can better the ICE vehicles in performance, reliability, range, price etc etc...I'll start buying them.

All I know is I stopped at the gas station on my way to the grocery store the other night, filled up my car in about 3 minutes and left (knowing I'll get nearly 500 miles out of those 14 gallons of gas...it's a VW TDI), as I'm leaving I notice at electric car with some converter or something plugged into the side of the building (charging his batteries as best I can assume)...I have no idea how long he'd been there, but he was there when I pulled up (the driver was sitting in the drivers seat playing on his phone) and there when I left.

About 45 minutes later, as I drive past that same gas station on my way home, and I glance over and the car is still sitting there plugged into the building.

This is a MAJOR issue electric cars will have...range...and then recharge times. I don't care if I can get 500 miles out of a charge if I have to part for over an hour to charge the batteries. That would make a road trip miserable.
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Mr. G wrote:
There is not enough infrastructure for it. That is a lot of electricity to create.
XXVoid MainXX wrote:
The grid will change its look as the transition happens over the next few decades.
California's big problem right now is a SURPLUS of electricity in mid-afternoon- due to all the rooftop solar. There is so much juice that they pay utilities to take it, in certain hours. It is only natural that the regulatory model will adapt to that situation. They are trying to figure out how to use storage to store all that solar, with companies like Tesla at the forefront.

California is an international model on energy usage and will likely pare down construction of power plants and electricity infrastructure in favor of smaller, distributed energy resources and energy efficiency. There is also abundant seasonal hydro so I don't think charging supply for EV infrastructure will be a stopper.
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colintrax 9/28/2017 12:01am
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Y'all do realize a ban on sale of ICE vehicles doesn't mean ICE vehicles can't travel in the state right?.....
Say the ban goes into effect 2025, so buy a 2024 gas car. You don't have to give up gas cars until the gasoline dries up, which will happen some day. Hopefully not in my lifetime.
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colintrax wrote:
Y'all do realize a ban on sale of ICE vehicles doesn't mean ICE vehicles can't travel in the state right?..... Say the ban goes into effect...
Y'all do realize a ban on sale of ICE vehicles doesn't mean ICE vehicles can't travel in the state right?.....
Say the ban goes into effect 2025, so buy a 2024 gas car. You don't have to give up gas cars until the gasoline dries up, which will happen some day. Hopefully not in my lifetime.
Exactly. Ban on sales doesn`t mean ban on vehicles.
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Titan1 9/29/2017 7:18am
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colintrax wrote:
Y'all do realize a ban on sale of ICE vehicles doesn't mean ICE vehicles can't travel in the state right?..... Say the ban goes into effect...
Y'all do realize a ban on sale of ICE vehicles doesn't mean ICE vehicles can't travel in the state right?.....
Say the ban goes into effect 2025, so buy a 2024 gas car. You don't have to give up gas cars until the gasoline dries up, which will happen some day. Hopefully not in my lifetime.
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Exactly. Ban on sales doesn`t mean ban on vehicles.
Good to know...I didn't read the article (should have apparently), so a ban on the sale only makes sense. Hopefully electric (or whatever energy source) vehicles can meet and exceed the performance and range of ICE engines by then.
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Titan1 wrote:
Good to know...I didn't read the article (should have apparently), so a ban on the sale only makes sense. Hopefully electric (or whatever energy source) vehicles...
Good to know...I didn't read the article (should have apparently), so a ban on the sale only makes sense. Hopefully electric (or whatever energy source) vehicles can meet and exceed the performance and range of ICE engines by then.
That's the challenge I see. Currently, if you run out of energy (gas) it takes 5 minutes at the most to fill up. Electricity doesn't currently charge that quick. And if they tried to recharge a battery that size, that quickly, I would have to imagine you risk exploding the battery. I'm not electrician and don't quite understand the recharge cycle on batteries.

What would be cool is to build the roof of the car out of solar panels and make it at least somewhat self charging. We don't currently have the technology to power a car with that little of solar panels, but as tech advances.

And yes, I'm in favor of bankrupting big oil. They've had their stranglehold long enough.
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IWreckALot 9/29/2017 9:02am
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As far as California, they would ban all food consumption if they could. I'm still waiting for them to break off and fall in the ocean like all of the Global Warning idiots swear is going to happen. Seems like it should have happened long ago at this point.
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MR. X 9/29/2017 9:37am
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Ya, save us california ,without you we are nothing.
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akillerwombat 9/29/2017 9:43am
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MR. X wrote:
Ya, save us california ,without you we are nothing.
No one said you were nothing, I just pointed out that while Californians might have "crazy idea's about the insane rate of storms, fires, hurricanes, tornados, heatwaves, snow fall, and floods we've been experiencing that fall in line with 99.9% of the worlds climate focused scientists" you might want to take account of what they bring to the table before wanting to quickly usher them out of the room.
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Titan1 9/29/2017 9:55am
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MR. X wrote:
Ya, save us california ,without you we are nothing.
akillerwombat wrote:
No one said you were nothing, I just pointed out that while Californians might have "[i]crazy idea's about the insane rate of storms, fires, hurricanes, tornados...
No one said you were nothing, I just pointed out that while Californians might have "crazy idea's about the insane rate of storms, fires, hurricanes, tornados, heatwaves, snow fall, and floods we've been experiencing that fall in line with 99.9% of the worlds climate focused scientists" you might want to take account of what they bring to the table before wanting to quickly usher them out of the room.
California is a mess econominally...taxes are to high...budgets even higher...ran by special interests...radical environmentalists are the tail wagging the dog...to many regulations...nobody thinks the state is ran efficiently...and America will follow its lead All the way down the toilet.

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