Anyone else sick of the propaganda commercials?

I like them a lot. You don't have sympathy for kids with birth defects? That's pretty messed up.

It could be they are advertising for enlistees. If that's the case, they should make it more obvious.
So Cal Gas and So Cal Edison also have ad's on TV. Why? They have a monopoly. If we want gas and electricity, we have to get it from them. Who are they advertising to?

Yes, I'm sick of propaganda. Propaganda from oil and gas companies. I don't look at the video you posted as propaganda. I think it is a recruiting video directed toward the smarter percentage of potential candidates for military service in order to give them a sense of duty and pride in a job they can visually see is important to the lively hood and safety of the world. I think it is brilliant. It targets candidates that would sign up because they want to be of service rather than challenge themselves physically. It really targets quality purpose driven candidates. Would you be more comfortable if they took the Army route and came up with a slogan like the ole' "Be all that you can be"?

FlickitFlat wrote: Yes, I'm sick of propaganda. Propaganda from oil and gas companies. I don't look at the video you posted as propaganda. I think it is a recruiting video directed toward the smarter percentage of potential candidates for military service in order to give them a sense of duty and pride in a job they can visually see is important to the lively hood and safety of the world. I think it is brilliant. It targets candidates that would sign up because they want to be of service rather than challenge themselves physically. It really targets quality purpose driven candidates. Would you be more comfortable if they took the Army route and came up with a slogan like the ole' "Be all that you can be"?

Im not picking on the Navy in particular. I despise all the military advertising.

I see you point about enlistees, but I think those ads have way more to do with presenting a positive image to joe-taxpayer. But I could be wrong.

FlickitFlat wrote: Yes, I'm sick of propaganda. Propaganda from oil and gas companies. I don't look at the video you posted as propaganda. I think it is a recruiting video directed toward the smarter percentage of potential candidates for military service in order to give them a sense of duty and pride in a job they can visually see is important to the lively hood and safety of the world. I think it is brilliant. It targets candidates that would sign up because they want to be of service rather than challenge themselves physically. It really targets quality purpose driven candidates. Would you be more comfortable if they took the Army route and came up with a slogan like the ole' "Be all that you can be"?

Jabroni wrote: Im not picking on the Navy in particular. I despise all the military advertising.

I see you point about enlistees, but I think those ads have way more to do with presenting a positive image to joe-taxpayer. But I could be wrong.

I think you are, so why don't you have sympathy for kids with problems? I'm serious.

uk125250 wrote: I like them a lot. You don't have sympathy for kids with birth defects? That's pretty messed up.

I was born with a birth defect.

And no I dont have a problem with it nor do I ask for sympathy, nor do I care for anyone else born with one and I dont hold anyones birth defect against them. It's part of nature. It happens. Most of the time it could have been prevented by the parents. Sometimes it is just the randomness of nature. Can't get mad at nature. Can't feel sorry for it either.

Jabroni wrote: I was born with a birth defect.

And no I dont have a problem with it nor do I ask for sympathy, nor do I care for anyone else born with one and I dont hold anyones birth defect against them. It's part of nature. It happens. Most of the time it could have been prevented by the parents. Sometimes it is just the randomness of nature. Can't get mad at nature. Can't feel sorry for it either.

That makes sense not that you explained it. I get really pissed at people that make fun of people with problems. I also get pissed at people that park in handicapped spaces that aren't. I just want to stick a fork lift through their car.

It is called recruitment, and in an ALL VOLUNTEER Service, you have to recruit. We could always get rid of recruitment and go with conscription. How would you feel about that?

Dumbass.

uk125250 wrote: I like them a lot. You don't have sympathy for kids with birth defects? That's pretty messed up.

Huh?

Not as much as when I hear Mitt Romney sing "America the Beautiful"

A question for you Jabroni. Do you mind seeing Visa commercials, Oil company commercials or Political adds that were paid for by Super Pacs? Just curious because those are the ones that make me sick to my stomach.

72kiteboarder wrote: A question for you Jabroni. Do you mind seeing Visa commercials, Oil company commercials or Political adds that were paid for by Super Pacs? Just curious because those are the ones that make me sick to my stomach.

I'm with you on that.

72kiteboarder wrote: A question for you Jabroni. Do you mind seeing Visa commercials, Oil company commercials or Political adds that were paid for by Super Pacs? Just curious because those are the ones that make me sick to my stomach.

jndmx wrote: I'm with you on that.

Ditto me on that also.

uk125250 wrote: I like them a lot. You don't have sympathy for kids with birth defects? That's pretty messed up.

Pardon my ignorance.

Please school me on how this relates to the original post.

72kiteboarder wrote: It is called recruitment, and in an ALL VOLUNTEER Service, you have to recruit. We could always get rid of recruitment and go with conscription. How would you feel about that?

Dumbass.

Nailed it...

jimmie wrote: Pardon my ignorance.

Please school me on how this relates to the original post.

It didnt.

So it's now evident to me that the OP is a hit and run specialist that cannot back up his asinine posts. Good to know.

72kiteboarder wrote: It is called recruitment, and in an ALL VOLUNTEER Service, you have to recruit. We could always get rid of recruitment and go with conscription. How would you feel about that?

Dumbass.

Actually, making every single teenager after high school serve the military would be a great thing.

First, it'd vest the general public in any of these supposed "wars for freedom" we're fighting. There was a reason Vietnam was so vehemently protested against...that was called "the draft".

Second, it'd do a lot of young Americans a world of good. Military service arguably is one of the fastest ways to clean up someone's act.

I've been pushing my congressmen (started with Tancredo and continued through Coffman) to push a bill requiring a mandatory draft anytime the military is used abroad in combat. Neither want to do that, because they know it'd wake up America.

The cost to train one soldier is about $150K. The cost of the Iraq war sits somewhere between $1T and $3T, depending on how it's totalled. You can train up to 20 million kids out of high school at that cost, without killing anywhere near the numbers that have been sacrificed in that stupid, senseless war.

So, yeah, requiring America's young to serve might be a damn good thing...far better than a volunteer force.

Dumbass....lol.

72kiteboarder wrote: It is called recruitment, and in an ALL VOLUNTEER Service, you have to recruit. We could always get rid of recruitment and go with conscription. How would you feel about that?

Dumbass.

jtomasik wrote: Actually, making every single teenager after high school serve the military would be a great thing.

First, it'd vest the general public in any of these supposed "wars for freedom" we're fighting. There was a reason Vietnam was so vehemently protested against...that was called "the draft".

Second, it'd do a lot of young Americans a world of good. Military service arguably is one of the fastest ways to clean up someone's act.

I've been pushing my congressmen (started with Tancredo and continued through Coffman) to push a bill requiring a mandatory draft anytime the military is used abroad in combat. Neither want to do that, because they know it'd wake up America.

The cost to train one soldier is about $150K. The cost of the Iraq war sits somewhere between $1T and $3T, depending on how it's totalled. You can train up to 20 million kids out of high school at that cost, without killing anywhere near the numbers that have been sacrificed in that stupid, senseless war.

So, yeah, requiring America's young to serve might be a damn good thing...far better than a volunteer force.

Dumbass....lol.

Don't go reading into what I wrote. I only responded to his criticism of the commercials. If it were up to me, There would be mandatory service for anyone that wanted to be a citizen of this country. If you opt out of service, you simply get resident status and then you cannot vote or run for public office.

72kiteboarder wrote: It is called recruitment, and in an ALL VOLUNTEER Service, you have to recruit. We could always get rid of recruitment and go with conscription. How would you feel about that?

Dumbass.

jtomasik wrote: Actually, making every single teenager after high school serve the military would be a great thing.

First, it'd vest the general public in any of these supposed "wars for freedom" we're fighting. There was a reason Vietnam was so vehemently protested against...that was called "the draft".

Second, it'd do a lot of young Americans a world of good. Military service arguably is one of the fastest ways to clean up someone's act.

I've been pushing my congressmen (started with Tancredo and continued through Coffman) to push a bill requiring a mandatory draft anytime the military is used abroad in combat. Neither want to do that, because they know it'd wake up America.

The cost to train one soldier is about $150K. The cost of the Iraq war sits somewhere between $1T and $3T, depending on how it's totalled. You can train up to 20 million kids out of high school at that cost, without killing anywhere near the numbers that have been sacrificed in that stupid, senseless war.

So, yeah, requiring America's young to serve might be a damn good thing...far better than a volunteer force.

Dumbass....lol.

For thinking that every teenager should go to war is very narrow minded and absurd. War has such consequences and if it were to be as you idealize, the world would be way more fucked up.

Many soldiers come back fucked in the head. Only those who go there can tell the truth and many don't. I was talking to one who had been in Iraq and he simply said that he's job was to cap anybody with a scarf on their head. He was an alcoholic who could have killed or attacked at any second. I could tell. His eyes were scary.

Ultimately, I would define a soldiers purpose as playing with death and to experience a living hell. So the soldier survives...He gains a few medals, money and masculinity...Is that all? Oh and while he was gone, he's seemingly loyal wife had he's best friend in his bed time after time with a few others on the side. What's he got left now? So this isn't a generalization...Your ideal is a bit old school / cliche1950's / fairy dust realism.

This is my view and thought it would be interesting to add in this topic. I don't care about war, the government and it's never-ending implications. It's the people. The actual human beings, who commit to all this treachery and uncertainty.

Firebird77 wrote: For thinking that every teenager should go to war is very narrow minded and absurd. War has such consequences and if it were to be as you idealize, the world would be way more fucked up.

Many soldiers come back fucked in the head. Only those who go there can tell the truth and many don't. I was talking to one who had been in Iraq and he simply said that he's job was to cap anybody with a scarf on their head. He was an alcoholic who could have killed or attacked at any second. I could tell. His eyes were scary.

Ultimately, I would define a soldiers purpose as playing with death and to experience a living hell. So the soldier survives...He gains a few medals, money and masculinity...Is that all? Oh and while he was gone, he's seemingly loyal wife had he's best friend in his bed time after time with a few others on the side. What's he got left now? So this isn't a generalization...Your ideal is a bit old school / cliche1950's / fairy dust realism.

This is my view and thought it would be interesting to add in this topic. I don't care about war, the government and it's never-ending implications. It's the people. The actual human beings, who commit to all this treachery and uncertainty.

And its exactly those reasons that would get people "vested" in wars....by the possibility of sending those who really don't want to be involved.

You should care about war, because it affects a lot of people you don't even see. Your last comment is support for exactly what is the problem and why everyone should have an equal chance of going.

The idea is that if everyone has to derve, even the children of the very rich and powerful, we will avoid going to war. I like the idea. I also like the idea that you must serve in order to vote or hold public office.

72kiteboarder wrote: The idea is that if everyone has to derve, even the children of the very rich and powerful, we will avoid going to war. I like the idea. I also like the idea that you must serve in order to vote or hold public office.

Except that will never happen.

The poor and middle class will be the cannon fodder as always and the folks that make billions off the indutrial machine....well their kids won't be involved.
Just like when there was a draft the wealthy will get into college, ROTC Officers training, garner special deferments and never serve.

72kiteboarder wrote: The idea is that if everyone has to derve, even the children of the very rich and powerful, we will avoid going to war. I like the idea. I also like the idea that you must serve in order to vote or hold public office.

jndmx wrote: Except that will never happen.

The poor and middle class will be the cannon fodder as always and the folks that make billions off the indutrial machine....well their kids won't be involved.
Just like when there was a draft the wealthy will get into college, ROTC Officers training, garner special deferments and never serve.

And that is the reason for the second part of what I said.

72kiteboarder wrote: The idea is that if everyone has to derve, even the children of the very rich and powerful, we will avoid going to war. I like the idea. I also like the idea that you must serve in order to vote or hold public office.

jndmx wrote: Except that will never happen.

The poor and middle class will be the cannon fodder as always and the folks that make billions off the indutrial machine....well their kids won't be involved.
Just like when there was a draft the wealthy will get into college, ROTC Officers training, garner special deferments and never serve.

72kiteboarder wrote: And that is the reason for the second part of what I said.

Which again will never happen.

You're going to expect congress to tell the wealthy folks that support them either your rich little off-spring serves in the army or they can't vote and become the next senator from the great state of blah blah blah....?

Never in a million years.

I agree with your idea but the reality will not be the same.

72 is spot on. I can't think of a better way to start cleaning up America.

It's the big question of equality. Equality is hard to define. War and Equality? Money and sub-standards?