AR-15 Not made for Civilians

APLMAN99 wrote:

You piped in about cars, I simply showed how silly and arbitrary your argument was. Then when you used Napolitano as your expert witness and his...

You piped in about cars, I simply showed how silly and arbitrary your argument was. Then when you used Napolitano as your expert witness and his quote included a view exactly opposite of what you had espoused, it was too ironic to pass up.

So if travel is a "natural right", and defending yourself is a "natural right", wouldn't cars and guns be in the same classification? They are each simply tools that may be used to exercise a "natural right", nothing more.

Titan1 wrote:

First of all me saying he was a justice was a honest mistake...I didn't do it pad my argument. He's not a justice...but, he is a...

First of all me saying he was a justice was a honest mistake...I didn't do it pad my argument. He's not a justice...but, he is a JUDGE...and that's still a credible source.

The constitution is the law of the land...it stands. You disagreeing with it doesn't matter. So to try and discredit it is a ballsy move, and one that leaves you on very very very thing logical ice. But go ahead on out on that frozen lake.

The problem with your analogy? Cars (even horses, or wagons, or stage coaches) aren't specifically mentioned in the Bill of Rights...Guns are. End of discussion. That is the difference...that is why your analogy fails. .

But, as we talked about before...natural rights don't require the labor of another. Can you defend yourself without a gun? YES. On private property, public property, doesn't matter. You can. The 2nd amendment says the right to self defense (to bear arms) shall not be infringed...guns are specifically mentioned. And even though you can defend yourself without a gun, to restrict guns in any way violates the bill of rights, because you would be infringing on that right (see the difference?).

Is it possible to travel without a car? Yes, absolutely. Travel is a natural right. Driving a car is NOT a natural right, though, it can't be. It is a legal right though. First cars aren't specifically mentioned in the Bill of Rights (guns are), and it would require the labor of another person. Even if you could build the car yourself, you couldn't build and maintain the roads yourself...so driving a car can't be a natural right because it requires the labor of another person.

Go read about positive and negative rights, and legal and natural rights. Your-apparent, maybe you are just playing devils advocate here?-lack of understanding of these two concepts (and my lack of ability to adequately explain the principals) is why we aren't on the same page.

APLMAN99 wrote:

My understanding of natural rights is fine, yours appears to be flawed and influenced more by your desire than by logic. Your interpretation shows a lack...

My understanding of natural rights is fine, yours appears to be flawed and influenced more by your desire than by logic. Your interpretation shows a lack of consistency that can only be brought about through cognitive dissonance.

I'll guarantee you that I was discussing positive and negative rights long before you'd likely ever been exposed to the concepts, but you definitely sound like one of those folks who just read The Fountainhead for the first time (or an overview of it anyway) and now believes that they've discovered a new chapter of the Bible.

APLMAN99 wrote:

My understanding of natural rights is fine, yours appears to be flawed and influenced more by your desire than by logic. Your interpretation shows a lack...

My understanding of natural rights is fine, yours appears to be flawed and influenced more by your desire than by logic. Your interpretation shows a lack of consistency that can only be brought about through cognitive dissonance.

I'll guarantee you that I was discussing positive and negative rights long before you'd likely ever been exposed to the concepts, but you definitely sound like one of those folks who just read The Fountainhead for the first time (or an overview of it anyway) and now believes that they've discovered a new chapter of the Bible.

Titan1 wrote:

Get back to me when you understand the difference between cars and guns. Then we can talk more.

Krallang wrote:

Introduction To Sociology was all about the negatives of every political system while highlighting the "positives" of socialism. We also got to watch a documentary that...

Introduction To Sociology was all about the negatives of every political system while highlighting the "positives" of socialism. We also got to watch a documentary that shit all over Kobey Bryant pretty much claiming that no women has ever lied about being raped for attention. We also got to read a political play that included the likes of Donald Trump, and other prominent businessmen that basically shit all over them. Social Psychology was about studying different political theories in society. Even my anthropology class did a better job of that then did sociology. Thank god for those Viewing a Wider World credits us engineering grads needed to boost our "world view."

Krallang wrote:

Introduction To Sociology was all about the negatives of every political system while highlighting the "positives" of socialism. We also got to watch a documentary that...

Introduction To Sociology was all about the negatives of every political system while highlighting the "positives" of socialism. We also got to watch a documentary that shit all over Kobey Bryant pretty much claiming that no women has ever lied about being raped for attention. We also got to read a political play that included the likes of Donald Trump, and other prominent businessmen that basically shit all over them. Social Psychology was about studying different political theories in society. Even my anthropology class did a better job of that then did sociology. Thank god for those Viewing a Wider World credits us engineering grads needed to boost our "world view."

GeorgiePorgie wrote:

Yea my sociology class sounded about like that. Except the professor said we all should drive fuel efficient vehicles instead of gas guzzlers. Socialism is great...

Yea my sociology class sounded about like that. Except the professor said we all should drive fuel efficient vehicles instead of gas guzzlers.

Socialism is great. Blah blah blah. It's fair. Blah blah blah.

Disbanded must of went to college 20 years ago. Probably got a decent education.

Dirtydeeds wrote:

Hate to beat a dead horse but, there were 10 stabbed at a white nationalist rally in Sacramento, a man in Santa Ana attacked his ex-girlfriend...

Hate to beat a dead horse but, there were 10 stabbed at a white nationalist rally in Sacramento, a man in Santa Ana attacked his ex-girlfriend and her new boyfriend with a sword and a mother just stabbed her 4 kids in Memphis. All within about a week of each other. Had a discussion with a few liberal acquaintances, when I asked them if we need knife control the response was they have mental issues! NO SHIT! However switch the knife with a gun and it's a gun problem. I just don't get it. A few of them also claim to be atheist. That's fine, that's their choice. I just find it funny that if someone were to break in their house or god forbid they find themselves in a sticky situation, the first things they'll do is pray to god and call someone with a gun! Anyways, happy fourth of July!

Sunhouse wrote:

Too much beer this evening? What does atheism have to do with this, and how do you postulate that they will pray to a god if...

Too much beer this evening?
What does atheism have to do with this, and how do you postulate that they will pray to a god if someone broke into their house?
Whoever did that would have to be an idiot, first rule: call the police, then pray to Allah or Odin.

Sunhouse wrote:

Too much beer this evening? What does atheism have to do with this, and how do you postulate that they will pray to a god if...

Too much beer this evening?
What does atheism have to do with this, and how do you postulate that they will pray to a god if someone broke into their house?
Whoever did that would have to be an idiot, first rule: call the police, then pray to Allah or Odin.

GeorgiePorgie wrote:

Yea my sociology class sounded about like that. Except the professor said we all should drive fuel efficient vehicles instead of gas guzzlers. Socialism is great...

Yea my sociology class sounded about like that. Except the professor said we all should drive fuel efficient vehicles instead of gas guzzlers.

Socialism is great. Blah blah blah. It's fair. Blah blah blah.

Disbanded must of went to college 20 years ago. Probably got a decent education.

Krallang wrote:

I think social psychology is the equivalence of what sociology was 10 years ago.

Jimmy_Sloan wrote:

I don't think either you or Georgie Porgie have a very good understanding of what sociology is. Under that umbrella terms there are many, many different...

I don't think either you or Georgie Porgie have a very good understanding of what sociology is. Under that umbrella terms there are many, many different areas of study that expand into various other fields. It sounds like the two of you took a few introductory courses and now based on your limited exposure, you're acting like you're experts.

Krallang wrote:

Introduction To Sociology was all about the negatives of every political system while highlighting the "positives" of socialism. We also got to watch a documentary that...

Introduction To Sociology was all about the negatives of every political system while highlighting the "positives" of socialism. We also got to watch a documentary that shit all over Kobey Bryant pretty much claiming that no women has ever lied about being raped for attention. We also got to read a political play that included the likes of Donald Trump, and other prominent businessmen that basically shit all over them. Social Psychology was about studying different political theories in society. Even my anthropology class did a better job of that then did sociology. Thank god for those Viewing a Wider World credits us engineering grads needed to boost our "world view."

GeorgiePorgie wrote:

Yea my sociology class sounded about like that. Except the professor said we all should drive fuel efficient vehicles instead of gas guzzlers. Socialism is great...

Yea my sociology class sounded about like that. Except the professor said we all should drive fuel efficient vehicles instead of gas guzzlers.

Socialism is great. Blah blah blah. It's fair. Blah blah blah.

Disbanded must of went to college 20 years ago. Probably got a decent education.

lostboy819 wrote:

If someone breaks in my house I will protect my family and myself first and THEN call the police when its safe to do so. You...

If someone breaks in my house I will protect my family and myself first and THEN call the police when its safe to do so. You can call the police and hope they get there in time

Jimmy_Sloan wrote:

I don't think either you or Georgie Porgie have a very good understanding of what sociology is. Under that umbrella terms there are many, many different...

I don't think either you or Georgie Porgie have a very good understanding of what sociology is. Under that umbrella terms there are many, many different areas of study that expand into various other fields. It sounds like the two of you took a few introductory courses and now based on your limited exposure, you're acting like you're experts.