2018.5 factory edition

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Will ktm switch to an aluminum frame? What more can they do to the current bike to make it better?
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Dcross829 wrote:
Will ktm switch to an aluminum frame? What more can they do to the current bike to make it better?
No aluminum frame. Expect updated chassis, swingarms, engines, and bodywork.
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Dcross829 8/7/2017 3:22pm
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ML512 wrote:
No aluminum frame. Expect updated chassis, swingarms, engines, and bodywork.
Awesome really happy to here there sticking with the steel frame heard in one of keefers pods he was hoping they stuck with steel frames in the future made me think he might no they were switching to aluminum
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kiwifan 8/7/2017 3:39pm
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Dcross829 wrote:
Will ktm switch to an aluminum frame? What more can they do to the current bike to make it better?
A change to an aluminium frame would be a weight gain, so cant see it happening, plus the current frame seems to be fine... Smile

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inthebadboycorner wrote:
Which would be cheaper to mass produce, steel or alluminium?
Aluminum is cheaper, steel offers a better feel on the track. Honda sold us the aluminum frame idea on "weight" when really they meant "saves us money"
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kiwifan 8/7/2017 4:29pm
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inthebadboycorner wrote:
Which would be cheaper to mass produce, steel or alluminium?
colintrax wrote:
Aluminum is cheaper, steel offers a better feel on the track. Honda sold us the aluminum frame idea on "weight" when really they meant "saves us...
Aluminum is cheaper, steel offers a better feel on the track. Honda sold us the aluminum frame idea on "weight" when really they meant "saves us money"
to be fair...all Japanese manufacturers sold us on the aluminium frames....some could be thankful of that, as their bikes are cheaper Wink

also you can argue the Suzuki has a better chassis than a steel framed bike.... Smile
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BobPA 8/7/2017 4:50pm
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kiwifan wrote:
to be fair...all Japanese manufacturers sold us on the aluminium frames....some could be thankful of that, as their bikes are cheaper ;) also you can argue...
to be fair...all Japanese manufacturers sold us on the aluminium frames....some could be thankful of that, as their bikes are cheaper Wink

also you can argue the Suzuki has a better chassis than a steel framed bike.... Smile
Suzuki chassis better...Ha

The new Honda chassis is better than the Zuk, and IMO so is the Kawi
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I still curse Honda for making me think the 1997 Cr250 was the new hotness. I will admit the motor was stellar.

I would love to ride a modern steel frame.
Dirty Points 8/7/2017 5:07pm
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inthebadboycorner wrote:
Which would be cheaper to mass produce, steel or alluminium?
What type of steel? What type of aluminum? What design methodology? What manufacturing technology?
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Dcross829 wrote:
Will ktm switch to an aluminum frame? What more can they do to the current bike to make it better?
ML512 wrote:
No aluminum frame. Expect updated chassis, swingarms, engines, and bodywork.
I'm excited to see the new design. What is the rough time-frame that the 2018.5FE details get released?
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kiwifan 8/7/2017 5:26pm
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kiwifan wrote:
to be fair...all Japanese manufacturers sold us on the aluminium frames....some could be thankful of that, as their bikes are cheaper ;) also you can argue...
to be fair...all Japanese manufacturers sold us on the aluminium frames....some could be thankful of that, as their bikes are cheaper Wink

also you can argue the Suzuki has a better chassis than a steel framed bike.... Smile
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Suzuki chassis better...Ha

The new Honda chassis is better than the Zuk, and IMO so is the Kawi
lol shit if I said the Honda was better everyone would say typical of me saying that lol I wouldn't dare regardless if I thought it was true or not, Vital has programmed me that way lol
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CarlinoJoeVideo 8/7/2017 5:29pm
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Dcross829 wrote:
Will ktm switch to an aluminum frame? What more can they do to the current bike to make it better?
ML512 wrote:
No aluminum frame. Expect updated chassis, swingarms, engines, and bodywork.
mxjeff575 wrote:
I'm excited to see the new design. What is the rough time-frame that the 2018.5FE details get released?
Released around the start of January but in stores March, April, May?
Dinosaur Media 8/7/2017 5:30pm
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Has anyone done a study to monitor the stretch in the steel frame? Is it an issue? Davi was on pulpmx one night talking about how much different his race bike felt compared to his practice bike...
Dirty Points 8/7/2017 5:42pm
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Has anyone done a study to monitor the stretch in the steel frame? Is it an issue? Davi was on pulpmx one night talking about how...
Has anyone done a study to monitor the stretch in the steel frame? Is it an issue? Davi was on pulpmx one night talking about how much different his race bike felt compared to his practice bike...
How does one even study that? I guarantee a couple things through: (1)it definitely effects Davi more than you, (2) the Japanese engineers absolutely hate that level of unpredictability, whether favorable to riding or not.
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Have had 3 cracked KTM frames in my shop in the last 2 months. All on the steering stem, all 2017's, they need to improve.
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Aluminum frames are revenge for Midway, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki. Putting my 07 Zook together, and working on it, is a major pain in the ASS. Just adjusting shock preload requires more patience than the Dhali Llama. My CR's are a dream to work on, in comparison.
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kott0n wrote:
I still curse Honda for making me think the 1997 Cr250 was the new hotness. I will admit the motor was stellar. I would love to...
I still curse Honda for making me think the 1997 Cr250 was the new hotness. I will admit the motor was stellar.

I would love to ride a modern steel frame.
Do you still have the tool box? :-)

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kott0n wrote:
I still curse Honda for making me think the 1997 Cr250 was the new hotness. I will admit the motor was stellar. I would love to...
I still curse Honda for making me think the 1997 Cr250 was the new hotness. I will admit the motor was stellar.

I would love to ride a modern steel frame.
When some one says "1997 cr250" my teeth chatter
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kott0n wrote:
I still curse Honda for making me think the 1997 Cr250 was the new hotness. I will admit the motor was stellar. I would love to...
I still curse Honda for making me think the 1997 Cr250 was the new hotness. I will admit the motor was stellar.

I would love to ride a modern steel frame.
r.sal923 wrote:
When some one says "1997 cr250" my teeth chatter
And all my scar tissue around my injuries from that thing starts to tighten up and hurt... my right shoulder and rotator cuff still give me problems when the temp changes!!!
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Cygrace74 wrote:
Have had 3 cracked KTM frames in my shop in the last 2 months. All on the steering stem, all 2017's, they need to improve.
Any photos?
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kott0n wrote:
I still curse Honda for making me think the 1997 Cr250 was the new hotness. I will admit the motor was stellar. I would love to...
I still curse Honda for making me think the 1997 Cr250 was the new hotness. I will admit the motor was stellar.

I would love to ride a modern steel frame.
Bultaco wrote:
Do you still have the tool box? :-)
the tool box came in 98 i have mine still
Dinosaur Media 8/8/2017 7:18am
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Dinosaur Media wrote:
Has anyone done a study to monitor the stretch in the steel frame? Is it an issue? Davi was on pulpmx one night talking about how...
Has anyone done a study to monitor the stretch in the steel frame? Is it an issue? Davi was on pulpmx one night talking about how much different his race bike felt compared to his practice bike...
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How does one even study that? I guarantee a couple things through: (1)it definitely effects Davi more than you, (2) the Japanese engineers absolutely hate that...
How does one even study that? I guarantee a couple things through: (1)it definitely effects Davi more than you, (2) the Japanese engineers absolutely hate that level of unpredictability, whether favorable to riding or not.
One can start with a tape measure...
Dinosaur Media 8/8/2017 7:21am
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Just noting thst it is common knowledge that steel frames stretch over time. As soneone paying for my bikes thst is a concern! The rate of the stretch is yet undetermined as speed weight and frequency of use will obviously determine this. Would not expect an honest answer from KTM or anyone else with a vested interest...
Dinosaur Media 8/8/2017 7:23am
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As an aside "dirt points" I would imagine it affects Davi more than you...unless of course you are making suprcross mains? But c'mon back to the point at hand...
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TeamGreen 8/8/2017 8:02am
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I think the only new 450 frames for '18 are Suzuki and Yamaha (including 2018.5).
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Dcross829 wrote:
Will ktm switch to an aluminum frame? What more can they do to the current bike to make it better?
kiwifan wrote:
A change to an aluminium frame would be a weight gain, so cant see it happening, plus the current frame seems to be fine... Smile
I agree I sure hope they never do that
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moto0852 8/8/2017 10:38am
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Dcross829 wrote:
Will ktm switch to an aluminum frame? What more can they do to the current bike to make it better?
He said, "Aluminum frame" and "better" in the same sentence. lol
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Dinosaur Media wrote:
Has anyone done a study to monitor the stretch in the steel frame? Is it an issue? Davi was on pulpmx one night talking about how...
Has anyone done a study to monitor the stretch in the steel frame? Is it an issue? Davi was on pulpmx one night talking about how much different his race bike felt compared to his practice bike...
Dirty Points wrote:
How does one even study that? I guarantee a couple things through: (1)it definitely effects Davi more than you, (2) the Japanese engineers absolutely hate that...
How does one even study that? I guarantee a couple things through: (1)it definitely effects Davi more than you, (2) the Japanese engineers absolutely hate that level of unpredictability, whether favorable to riding or not.
Dinosaur Media wrote:
One can start with a tape measure...
Frame development is quite sophisticated. This isn't stretch, but flex in the example I'm giving here.
Here is the older Beta frame (steel) vs. the new 2018. There is still ongoing development in chassis.





I don't know if they dialed in more or less flex, but they did it on purpose with CAD.

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