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Motodrew295 wrote: Perfectly said. I dont think its an issue of greed, rather he basically posed a hypothetical about a large chunk being thrown down he would go for it, otherwise it's not worth the risk since his career is at a fragile stage right now.

Matthes wrote: Nice! I made someones signature....my life is complete.

Almost immortal. ... Like Cox!Wink
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11/4/2009 5:33 PM

..........the teams are responsible, they keep paying him full salary when he hasnt completed a series since prolly 2004.... his head is swollen and needs to be brought back to reality.
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11/4/2009 5:38 PM

Motodrew295 wrote: Perfectly said. I dont think its an issue of greed, rather he basically posed a hypothetical about a large chunk being thrown down he would go for it, otherwise it's not worth the risk since his career is at a fragile stage right now.

Matthes wrote: Nice! I made someones signature....my life is complete.

RACEGUY wrote: Almost immortal. ... Like Cox!Wink

Yeah that quote is hilarious, and although i would have loved to have been a LL moto monkey, I can now feel that I can value my social skills a little higher thanks to that lol.
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11/4/2009 5:44 PM

oldx wrote: I get so tired of Jody being a little bitch, I think Nerd should slap the shit outta him. We'll all stand around and shout bitch fight, bitch fight!

You're a dumb bitch and I hope Jody kicks your stupid ass.

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11/4/2009 5:48 PM

oldx wrote: I get so tired of Jody being a little bitch, I think Nerd should slap the shit outta him. We'll all stand around and shout bitch fight, bitch fight!

Madmax31 wrote: You're a dumb bitch and I hope Jody kicks your stupid ass.

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MXA is crap!
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11/4/2009 5:53 PM

Farva wrote: MXA is crap!

Apparently you are a moron.
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11/4/2009 7:07 PM

MXA needs to change their website layout ASAP. Ugly and amateurish.
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I read a lot of magazines, but MXA is the only one I actually buy.
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11/4/2009 8:03 PM

Grendel wrote: MXA needs to change their website layout ASAP. Ugly and amateurish.

If there were websites in 1972, MXA would be the leader.
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I like bold print, it's like the website for the elderly
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11/4/2009 8:08 PM

Grendel wrote: MXA needs to change their website layout ASAP. Ugly and amateurish.

swizcore wrote: If there were websites in 1972, MXA would be the leader.

Laughing
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11/4/2009 8:20 PM

Grendel wrote: MXA needs to change their website layout ASAP. Ugly and amateurish.

swizcore wrote: If there were websites in 1972, MXA would be the leader.

hahahah i know i was thinking the same thing!
they might as well have there website be myspace
who cares what this guy has to say about hill?
i know i dont. Hill can do well and we all know it
maybe if the website looked a little nicer and they put out a half decent mag i might take them a little more seriously
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11/4/2009 8:28 PM

Nerd wrote: Put it this way: Some riders get too many chances, like maybe Josh Hansen. Although without the two-straight X Games wins, Hansen would be gone from the sport right now. Hansen's a great guy and he's very nice, but I don't think people deserve limitless chances.

However, at the same time, this will be Josh Hill's SECOND chance.

And I also don't think equating the amount of money Josh Hill made with Yamaha to his maturity level is a smart comparison. If anything, I think giving a teenager a ton of money can make them for more immature. It's the opposite effect. So when Zap (who I love) says, "Another key point is that unlike most teenagers (at least myself and the teenagers I grew up with) who screwed up and maybe lost their weekly allowance, Josh Hill has been rolling to the races as a professional athlete making a six digit salary. You'd think that if the kid was happy to accept a grown-up salary that he'd feel compelled to act like an adult, or at least a responsible teenager!"

That, in my opinion, is the king of faulty logic. What does being able to ride a dirt bike fast, and getting a lot of money, have to do with maturity level? How are these two things related?

In the NFL, you must be a minimum of three years out of high school in order to even sign a contract there. In other words, NFL players are 21 at minimum when they hit the field in the NFL for the first time. Josh Hill was 16. James Stewart is only 23! How long has he been around now? He's 23 years old.

Expecting that a kid is going to just magically become "mature" purely because he's getting a lot of money to race dirt bikes is ridiculous. And as I said, if anything the opposite is the case. As a rebellious teenager, one severe limiting factor of the amount of trouble you can get into is that you're broke. Give a kid a few hundred thousand dollars in that situation and see what happens.

The problem with the "walking in other people's shoes" perspective is that many people, including I think Zap in this situation, don't completely wear the shoes. On one hand, he tries to relate to Hill, but what he doesn't do is completely BECOME Josh Hill. To walk in someone's shoes, you can't keep YOUR age and YOUR experience and YOUR background, you have to take THEIRS. And if you were raised in a motorhome on the road going from amateur race to amateur race, never went to school as an adolescent, were sheltered from just about everything outside of the race track, etc., and then you were given a bunch of money and freedom from your parents, you would be a complete train wreck. Nearly all of us would be. And if you say you wouldn't, well, you're failing to completely wear his shoes again.

Josh Hill is a really good kid, and he shouldn't be "guilty by association" to Jason Lawrence. As a teenager at school, I hung out with the musicians most of the time, and ALL of them smoked pot and drank. I still haven't ever tried pot and I didn't have my first drink of alcohol until I was 23. It would've been foolish for people to conclude my behavior was consistent with theirs simply because I hung around with them.

Same goes for Hill.

Besides, the one thing about this sport is that results don't lie. You can complain about how many chances any number of guys have gotten, but ultimately if they still beat everyone else, they'll continue having more chances because racing is about results. Period. And you can't fake those.

Good post Nerd!
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WORCSRacer wrote: Anyone can understand some "growing pains" or "bad day" but at some point it isn't just youthful mistakes or lackluster results but instead a pattern of behavior. I.E. Josh Hill, JLaw, Hansen, Hamblin...
Time to step aside for guys like Brayton, Hahn, Weimer, Georke ect...

googs the 2nd wrote: Not sure why you would group hamblin with that crowd?

did i miss something?

Factory rides then good satellite rides and the same lack of results. Its no longer an aberration with Hamblin, it defines him.
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Nerd wrote: Put it this way: Some riders get too many chances, like maybe Josh Hansen. Although without the two-straight X Games wins, Hansen would be gone from the sport right now. Hansen's a great guy and he's very nice, but I don't think people deserve limitless chances.

However, at the same time, this will be Josh Hill's SECOND chance.

And I also don't think equating the amount of money Josh Hill made with Yamaha to his maturity level is a smart comparison. If anything, I think giving a teenager a ton of money can make them for more immature. It's the opposite effect. So when Zap (who I love) says, "Another key point is that unlike most teenagers (at least myself and the teenagers I grew up with) who screwed up and maybe lost their weekly allowance, Josh Hill has been rolling to the races as a professional athlete making a six digit salary. You'd think that if the kid was happy to accept a grown-up salary that he'd feel compelled to act like an adult, or at least a responsible teenager!"

That, in my opinion, is the king of faulty logic. What does being able to ride a dirt bike fast, and getting a lot of money, have to do with maturity level? How are these two things related?

In the NFL, you must be a minimum of three years out of high school in order to even sign a contract there. In other words, NFL players are 21 at minimum when they hit the field in the NFL for the first time. Josh Hill was 16. James Stewart is only 23! How long has he been around now? He's 23 years old.

Expecting that a kid is going to just magically become "mature" purely because he's getting a lot of money to race dirt bikes is ridiculous. And as I said, if anything the opposite is the case. As a rebellious teenager, one severe limiting factor of the amount of trouble you can get into is that you're broke. Give a kid a few hundred thousand dollars in that situation and see what happens.

The problem with the "walking in other people's shoes" perspective is that many people, including I think Zap in this situation, don't completely wear the shoes. On one hand, he tries to relate to Hill, but what he doesn't do is completely BECOME Josh Hill. To walk in someone's shoes, you can't keep YOUR age and YOUR experience and YOUR background, you have to take THEIRS. And if you were raised in a motorhome on the road going from amateur race to amateur race, never went to school as an adolescent, were sheltered from just about everything outside of the race track, etc., and then you were given a bunch of money and freedom from your parents, you would be a complete train wreck. Nearly all of us would be. And if you say you wouldn't, well, you're failing to completely wear his shoes again.

Josh Hill is a really good kid, and he shouldn't be "guilty by association" to Jason Lawrence. As a teenager at school, I hung out with the musicians most of the time, and ALL of them smoked pot and drank. I still haven't ever tried pot and I didn't have my first drink of alcohol until I was 23. It would've been foolish for people to conclude my behavior was consistent with theirs simply because I hung around with them.

Same goes for Hill.

Besides, the one thing about this sport is that results don't lie. You can complain about how many chances any number of guys have gotten, but ultimately if they still beat everyone else, they'll continue having more chances because racing is about results. Period. And you can't fake those.

Shenzi wrote: Good post Nerd!

Great post since I'm a Josh Hill fan Nerd.

Hill only had 1 yr in SX Lites before Yamaha signed him for the premier class at 17.

MXA is wrong about after Hills win, he still podiumed after and finished 5th OA is SX '08.
Josh didn't go downhill after the win. The surgery and subsequent injuries of '09 did him in.

I've seen Hill and seen him interact with his peers. Seems to have a bright side to him.

But, even if you do nothing but hang with the "badass" or be a part something that's a bit of a ritual (rental cars), seems even though you never got to have just good, plain fun; you're ridiculed for it.

I'm rooting for Josh Hill and for him to have a great season.

Andy Medin.
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Nerd, pleasantly surprised you put "in my opinion" along side "faulty logic." Everyone is entitled to their opinion....you....Zap...Mr. Whiffle.



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11/4/2009 9:53 PM

I like how they put Lusk and Josh Hansen in the same boat and give Lusk hell for wanting to come back. I like the bike reviews and such in their mag but the articles on the website sound like some one's crazy grandpa rambling.
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I still get a kick out of the rent-a-car situation, when the simple fact is that Josh wasn't even with Jason when he wrecked the car in TX. Unreal that people still believe it to be true when it was the furthest from the truth.



Also, how does anyone really consider Josh to be a screw up??? Think about this, he comes into his pro racing career and gets 2nd at Binghampton in his second ever pro race. He then rides SX West the next year with 3 podiums and 3rd overall in the championship after having a DNF at the first race because of a crash in practice. And remember that had his bike not broke at Vegas he would have won the East-West shootout by a landslide. Then he goes outdoors and the bike he is riding is more of less the slowest 250F in the class (Yamaha will repeat this again later for him). He cant get anything going with the sled and decides to go buy a 450 to prove that is the bike he should be on. After Yamaha finally says yes he goes out and rides well at the last couple of nationals and helps GL with some points by putting himself between GL and Shorty. 2008 comes around and by the 3rd race he is on the box in 2nd behind CR22. He then has some up and down results (normal for rookies in the big class-- remember RC), then he gets some momentum and gets some more podiums and wins a SX. Finishes out the SX season strong with 5th overall in final standings. MX season gets going and the results are not so great and he gets a little sidetracked at the rip old age of 18.....! Then during the off season gets a serious shoulder injury needing a serious operation and unfortunately with a couple of injuries the year goes bad even though he did have 1 podium finish in SX. The injury to the back over the summer ends the year and he gets kicked while he's down by the industry and all of the donkeys that are on here.



Now JH75 gets on L&M and within the first week with the new team that wants to see him succeed he goes out and wins the 3rd night in Bercy on a basically stock clapped out bike.



Washed up, has been, you have got to be kidding me. Josh is now at the ripe old age of 20 and when he comes out and kicks the shit out of all of the clean cut cardboard heroes I am going to laugh my ass off.



Josh, if you read this, know that you have fans that believe in you and cant wait to see you prove everyone wrong.



By the way, here is a list of guys that have "NOT" won a SX Main Event:

Andrew Short

Ivan Tedesco

Tim Ferry

Ryan Dungey

Michael Byrne

Justin Brayton

Mike Alessi

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11/4/2009 11:03 PM

Maybe I'm an optimist but I'm pretty sure the majority of the participants in this thread are Hill supporters.?
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Old School Racer wrote: I still get a kick out of the rent-a-car situation, when the simple fact is that Josh wasn't even with Jason when he wrecked the car in TX. Unreal that people still believe it to be true when it was the furthest from the truth.
Also, how does anyone really consider Josh to be a screw up??? Think about this, he comes into his pro racing career and gets 2nd at Binghampton in his second ever pro race. He then rides SX West the next year with 3 podiums and 3rd overall in the championship after having a DNF at the first race because of a crash in practice. And remember that had his bike not broke at Vegas he would have won the East-West shootout by a landslide. Then he goes outdoors and the bike he is riding is more of less the slowest 250F in the class (Yamaha will repeat this again later for him). He cant get anything going with the sled and decides to go buy a 450 to prove that is the bike he should be on. After Yamaha finally says yes he goes out and rides well at the last couple of nationals and helps GL with some points by putting himself between GL and Shorty. 2008 comes around and by the 3rd race he is on the box in 2nd behind CR22. He then has some up and down results (normal for rookies in the big class-- remember RC), then he gets some momentum and gets some more podiums and wins a SX. Finishes out the SX season strong with 5th overall in final standings. MX season gets going and the results are not so great and he gets a little sidetracked at the rip old age of 18.....! Then during the off season gets a serious shoulder injury needing a serious operation and unfortunately with a couple of injuries the year goes bad even though he did have 1 podium finish in SX. The injury to the back over the summer ends the year and he gets kicked while he's down by the industry and all of the donkeys that are on here.
Now JH75 gets on L&M and within the first week with the new team that wants to see him succeed he goes out and wins the 3rd night in Bercy on a basically stock clapped out bike.
Washed up, has been, you have got to be kidding me. Josh is now at the ripe old age of 20 and when he comes out and kicks the shit out of all of the clean cut cardboard heroes I am going to laugh my ass off.
Josh, if you read this, know that you have fans that believe in you and cant wait to see you prove everyone wrong.
By the way, here is a list of guys that have "NOT" won a SX Main Event:
Andrew Short
Ivan Tedesco
Tim Ferry
Ryan Dungey
Michael Byrne
Justin Brayton
Mike Alessi

Good post
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Old School Racer wrote: I still get a kick out of the rent-a-car situation, when the simple fact is that Josh wasn't even with Jason when he wrecked the car in TX. Unreal that people still believe it to be true when it was the furthest from the truth.
Also, how does anyone really consider Josh to be a screw up??? Think about this, he comes into his pro racing career and gets 2nd at Binghampton in his second ever pro race. He then rides SX West the next year with 3 podiums and 3rd overall in the championship after having a DNF at the first race because of a crash in practice. And remember that had his bike not broke at Vegas he would have won the East-West shootout by a landslide. Then he goes outdoors and the bike he is riding is more of less the slowest 250F in the class (Yamaha will repeat this again later for him). He cant get anything going with the sled and decides to go buy a 450 to prove that is the bike he should be on. After Yamaha finally says yes he goes out and rides well at the last couple of nationals and helps GL with some points by putting himself between GL and Shorty. 2008 comes around and by the 3rd race he is on the box in 2nd behind CR22. He then has some up and down results (normal for rookies in the big class-- remember RC), then he gets some momentum and gets some more podiums and wins a SX. Finishes out the SX season strong with 5th overall in final standings. MX season gets going and the results are not so great and he gets a little sidetracked at the rip old age of 18.....! Then during the off season gets a serious shoulder injury needing a serious operation and unfortunately with a couple of injuries the year goes bad even though he did have 1 podium finish in SX. The injury to the back over the summer ends the year and he gets kicked while he's down by the industry and all of the donkeys that are on here.
Now JH75 gets on L&M and within the first week with the new team that wants to see him succeed he goes out and wins the 3rd night in Bercy on a basically stock clapped out bike.
Washed up, has been, you have got to be kidding me. Josh is now at the ripe old age of 20 and when he comes out and kicks the shit out of all of the clean cut cardboard heroes I am going to laugh my ass off.
Josh, if you read this, know that you have fans that believe in you and cant wait to see you prove everyone wrong.
By the way, here is a list of guys that have "NOT" won a SX Main Event:
Andrew Short
Ivan Tedesco
Tim Ferry
Ryan Dungey
Michael Byrne
Justin Brayton
Mike Alessi

A string of DNF's on a factory bike, serious shoulder injury, back injury and... Seems like if you need HIll for 3 or 4 races he can put together a charge but if you need him for the year??



Potential yes, long term results no. L&M could afford a number of different riders with solid results but they chose a dinged up kid with potential that is hard on equipment. We'll all get to see how that works our for them.
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Old School Racer wrote: I still get a kick out of the rent-a-car situation, when the simple fact is that Josh wasn't even with Jason when he wrecked the car in TX. Unreal that people still believe it to be true when it was the furthest from the truth.
Also, how does anyone really consider Josh to be a screw up??? Think about this, he comes into his pro racing career and gets 2nd at Binghampton in his second ever pro race. He then rides SX West the next year with 3 podiums and 3rd overall in the championship after having a DNF at the first race because of a crash in practice. And remember that had his bike not broke at Vegas he would have won the East-West shootout by a landslide. Then he goes outdoors and the bike he is riding is more of less the slowest 250F in the class (Yamaha will repeat this again later for him). He cant get anything going with the sled and decides to go buy a 450 to prove that is the bike he should be on. After Yamaha finally says yes he goes out and rides well at the last couple of nationals and helps GL with some points by putting himself between GL and Shorty. 2008 comes around and by the 3rd race he is on the box in 2nd behind CR22. He then has some up and down results (normal for rookies in the big class-- remember RC), then he gets some momentum and gets some more podiums and wins a SX. Finishes out the SX season strong with 5th overall in final standings. MX season gets going and the results are not so great and he gets a little sidetracked at the rip old age of 18.....! Then during the off season gets a serious shoulder injury needing a serious operation and unfortunately with a couple of injuries the year goes bad even though he did have 1 podium finish in SX. The injury to the back over the summer ends the year and he gets kicked while he's down by the industry and all of the donkeys that are on here.
Now JH75 gets on L&M and within the first week with the new team that wants to see him succeed he goes out and wins the 3rd night in Bercy on a basically stock clapped out bike.
Washed up, has been, you have got to be kidding me. Josh is now at the ripe old age of 20 and when he comes out and kicks the shit out of all of the clean cut cardboard heroes I am going to laugh my ass off.
Josh, if you read this, know that you have fans that believe in you and cant wait to see you prove everyone wrong.
By the way, here is a list of guys that have "NOT" won a SX Main Event:
Andrew Short
Ivan Tedesco
Tim Ferry
Ryan Dungey
Michael Byrne
Justin Brayton
Mike Alessi

WORCSRacer wrote: A string of DNF's on a factory bike, serious shoulder injury, back injury and... Seems like if you need HIll for 3 or 4 races he can put together a charge but if you need him for the year??
Potential yes, long term results no. L&M could afford a number of different riders with solid results but they chose a dinged up kid with potential that is hard on equipment. We'll all get to see how that works our for them.

individual races get more publicity then long-term results
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zer0signal wrote: I like how they put Lusk and Josh Hansen in the same boat and give Lusk hell for wanting to come back. I like the bike reviews and such in their mag but the articles on the website sound like some one's crazy grandpa rambling.

I agree with this 100%. To put Hansen and Lusk in the same sentence is asinine.

But Zap's a good dude. I remember he used to write into the magazine all the time and then they hired him!
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The Rock wrote: Nerd, pleasantly surprised you put "in my opinion" along side "faulty logic." Everyone is entitled to their opinion....you....Zap...Mr. Whiffle.
I also have the clutch side Nuetech bar end ready to mail to you but haven't been to the post office yet. Hope it helps your wrist.

I noticed you left out your opinion...
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Grendel wrote: MXA needs to change their website layout ASAP. Ugly and amateurish.

I think we a have a winner.......totally agree........
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WORCSRacer wrote: Anyone can understand some "growing pains" or "bad day" but at some point it isn't just youthful mistakes or lackluster results but instead a pattern of behavior. I.E. Josh Hill, JLaw, Hansen, Hamblin...
Time to step aside for guys like Brayton, Hahn, Weimer, Georke ect...

googs the 2nd wrote: Not sure why you would group hamblin with that crowd?

did i miss something?

WORCSRacer wrote: Factory rides then good satellite rides and the same lack of results. Its no longer an aberration with Hamblin, it defines him.

top shelf rider.highly motivated

unlucky run with injuries.

results suffer as expected.

losses factory gig.. Sad

the other crowd get on the booze, get into fights, and trash rental cars.

I'd reckon hambone would still be fitter than the other 3 put together.....imo.
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11/5/2009 2:22 PM

Grendel wrote: MXA needs to change their website layout ASAP. Ugly and amateurish.

googs the 2nd wrote: I think we a have a winner.......totally agree........

And I can't tell if the inability to copy and paste articles off their website is a slick way to get hits or a leftover provision from when Brooks was writing his column.
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11/5/2009 2:41 PM

Grendel wrote: MXA needs to change their website layout ASAP. Ugly and amateurish.

googs the 2nd wrote: I think we a have a winner.......totally agree........

Grendel wrote: And I can't tell if the inability to copy and paste articles off their website is a slick way to get hits or a leftover provision from when Brooks was writing his column.

you can copy and paste, you just have to go up one tooth on the rear
Shenzi
Vital MX member Shenzi

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11/5/2009 6:47 PM

Old School Racer wrote: I still get a kick out of the rent-a-car situation, when the simple fact is that Josh wasn't even with Jason when he wrecked the car in TX. Unreal that people still believe it to be true when it was the furthest from the truth.
Also, how does anyone really consider Josh to be a screw up??? Think about this, he comes into his pro racing career and gets 2nd at Binghampton in his second ever pro race. He then rides SX West the next year with 3 podiums and 3rd overall in the championship after having a DNF at the first race because of a crash in practice. And remember that had his bike not broke at Vegas he would have won the East-West shootout by a landslide. Then he goes outdoors and the bike he is riding is more of less the slowest 250F in the class (Yamaha will repeat this again later for him). He cant get anything going with the sled and decides to go buy a 450 to prove that is the bike he should be on. After Yamaha finally says yes he goes out and rides well at the last couple of nationals and helps GL with some points by putting himself between GL and Shorty. 2008 comes around and by the 3rd race he is on the box in 2nd behind CR22. He then has some up and down results (normal for rookies in the big class-- remember RC), then he gets some momentum and gets some more podiums and wins a SX. Finishes out the SX season strong with 5th overall in final standings. MX season gets going and the results are not so great and he gets a little sidetracked at the rip old age of 18.....! Then during the off season gets a serious shoulder injury needing a serious operation and unfortunately with a couple of injuries the year goes bad even though he did have 1 podium finish in SX. The injury to the back over the summer ends the year and he gets kicked while he's down by the industry and all of the donkeys that are on here.
Now JH75 gets on L&M and within the first week with the new team that wants to see him succeed he goes out and wins the 3rd night in Bercy on a basically stock clapped out bike.
Washed up, has been, you have got to be kidding me. Josh is now at the ripe old age of 20 and when he comes out and kicks the shit out of all of the clean cut cardboard heroes I am going to laugh my ass off.
Josh, if you read this, know that you have fans that believe in you and cant wait to see you prove everyone wrong.
By the way, here is a list of guys that have "NOT" won a SX Main Event:
Andrew Short
Ivan Tedesco
Tim Ferry
Ryan Dungey
Michael Byrne
Justin Brayton
Mike Alessi

very good post, let's repeat that list again...

Andrew Short
Ivan Tedesco
Tim Ferry
Ryan Dungey
Michael Byrne
Justin Brayton
Mike Alessi

and add Broc Hepler
Tommy Hahn
Josh Hansen
etc, etc,
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11/5/2009 6:51 PM

Am I suposed to say good or bad post or + - 1 ?

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