yz's in the schoolboy class @ mini O's

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good grief. looks like a full gate of yz's - 1 or 2 ktms?

i dont know anyone of that age bracket, but at our local races its tons of ktms, few yz, and a handfull of rm's.

i figured ktm would be sweeping this class almost like the enduro classes and gncc's?

is the yz platform just that tried and true that they dont care about riding a 6+yr old bike? has to be loosing a few HP to the ktms right?
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Sheriff245 11/26/2015 4:29pm
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Less than 1 hp difference, broader powerband, lighter, better suspension. Doesn't come with a chrome pipe though.
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Jaybird67k 11/26/2015 4:37pm
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Way way way better suspension on the YZ.
Lord I wish I had all the money back I have spent trying to make my KTM's feel like my stock YZ's suspension. I could buy a new bike.

Jason
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JBernard_401 11/26/2015 4:42pm
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interesting. had no idea yz's still had that much of a leg up on the ktm in that cc.

does the schoolboy class allow 125cc only or can you run a 144/150?
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Jaybird67k 11/26/2015 4:45pm
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JBernard_401 wrote:
interesting. had no idea yz's still had that much of a leg up on the ktm in that cc. does the schoolboy class allow 125cc only...
interesting. had no idea yz's still had that much of a leg up on the ktm in that cc.

does the schoolboy class allow 125cc only or can you run a 144/150?
Where I'm from the schoolboy 1 class is capped at 125cc I believe but the schoolboy 2 you can run 250F's in it.
That's district 20 Houston area.
Maybe Mr. Hughes can correct me since he is the MX King IMO.

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Dtat720 11/26/2015 4:57pm
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Look at Lorettas championships this year. Yamaha killed it. 16 titles i believe. Almost every 2t class was won by a yz.
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SwapperMX 11/26/2015 4:57pm
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Still plenty of good two stroke tuners out there, and with the necessary port work, you can make a YZ fast. Definitely helps that they are a tried and tested model. Add to that Yamaha's awesome suspension, and it makes it a tough choice. I know a lot of guys who tried KTM's two strokes for a year or two then went back to Yamaha.
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steve_97060 11/26/2015 5:06pm
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wow, good thing they were all so cautious with the red cross flag being waved..
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Jaybird67k 11/26/2015 5:07pm
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The 2006 YZ 125 is the best all around package ever produced.

Schoolboy 1 12 - 16 yrs. 86cc - 125cc 2-stroke 75cc - 150cc 4-stroke. Minimum front wheel size 19 inches. Minimum rear wheel size
16 inches.

Schoolboy 2 14 - 16 yrs. 122cc - 250cc any
Minimum wheelbase 53 inches. No minicycle or Supermini.

Per AMA rule book.

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GeorgiePorgie 11/26/2015 5:08pm
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Kyb SSS
And easy accessibility to an abundance of cheap parts. slap a vforce on a stock yz125 and you're solid.
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Jaybird67k 11/26/2015 5:12pm
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GeorgiePorgie wrote:
Kyb SSS
And easy accessibility to an abundance of cheap parts. slap a vforce on a stock yz125 and you're solid.
I prefer the stock reed cage with carbon reeds over the Vforce.

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JBernard_401 11/26/2015 5:19pm
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Jaybird67k wrote:
The 2006 YZ 125 is the best all around package ever produced. Schoolboy 1 12 - 16 yrs. 86cc - 125cc 2-stroke 75cc - 150cc 4-stroke...
The 2006 YZ 125 is the best all around package ever produced.

Schoolboy 1 12 - 16 yrs. 86cc - 125cc 2-stroke 75cc - 150cc 4-stroke. Minimum front wheel size 19 inches. Minimum rear wheel size
16 inches.

Schoolboy 2 14 - 16 yrs. 122cc - 250cc any
Minimum wheelbase 53 inches. No minicycle or Supermini.

Per AMA rule book.

Jason
hahaha. i didnt realize that the 150 4T could race in that class. i didnt see/hear ONE of those POS's.
how does the 150 4T stack up in the supermini classes? i guess thats where they have more luck against the 2T?
Richard Tease II 11/26/2015 5:27pm
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Well if the rumours are true and its getting a lot of talk in Oz that here's a new YZ65 and also serious talk on new 125 and 250. In Oz you go to the amateur national titles and 75% of the bikes are KTM. Yamaha have noted this as a good relationship builds with a brand early and they are aware it's hard to win people back. Yamaha are trying to win people back at the moment with an old outdated 85 it's not working. I trust my source on this one
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IceMan446 11/26/2015 6:02pm
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Dtat720 wrote:
Look at Lorettas championships this year. Yamaha killed it. 16 titles i believe. Almost every 2t class was won by a yz.
Hmmmm....When you check the two stroke threads here, you would have thought KTM would have had everyone covered.
GeorgiePorgie 11/26/2015 6:05pm
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Richard Tease II wrote:
Well if the rumours are true and its getting a lot of talk in Oz that here's a new YZ65 and also serious talk on new...
Well if the rumours are true and its getting a lot of talk in Oz that here's a new YZ65 and also serious talk on new 125 and 250. In Oz you go to the amateur national titles and 75% of the bikes are KTM. Yamaha have noted this as a good relationship builds with a brand early and they are aware it's hard to win people back. Yamaha are trying to win people back at the moment with an old outdated 85 it's not working. I trust my source on this one
Heard that same rumor.


Back in 2001. When I was 14. Still waiting.
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JBernard_401 wrote:
interesting. had no idea yz's still had that much of a leg up on the ktm in that cc. does the schoolboy class allow 125cc only...
interesting. had no idea yz's still had that much of a leg up on the ktm in that cc.

does the schoolboy class allow 125cc only or can you run a 144/150?
I don't think they do, but that's up for debate of course. Both awesome bikes.
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Original 44 11/27/2015 2:03am
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steve_97060 wrote:
wow, good thing they were all so cautious with the red cross flag being waved..
A video showed that never happened.

Yamaha has some great support teams this year. Glad to see Yamaha making such a effort.
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lumpy790 11/27/2015 6:57am
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7th place in Schoolboy went to a GNCC rider Chris Vendetti making the Mini O's his 2nd MX of the year.

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JBernard_401 wrote:
hahaha. i didnt realize that the 150 4T could race in that class. i didnt see/hear ONE of those POS's. how does the 150 4T stack...
hahaha. i didnt realize that the 150 4T could race in that class. i didnt see/hear ONE of those POS's.
how does the 150 4T stack up in the supermini classes? i guess thats where they have more luck against the 2T?
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JBernard_401 wrote:
hahaha. i didnt realize that the 150 4T could race in that class. i didnt see/hear ONE of those POS's. how does the 150 4T stack...
hahaha. i didnt realize that the 150 4T could race in that class. i didnt see/hear ONE of those POS's.
how does the 150 4T stack up in the supermini classes? i guess thats where they have more luck against the 2T?


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Steadman 11/27/2015 8:35am
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Sheriff245 wrote:
Less than 1 hp difference, broader powerband, lighter, better suspension. Doesn't come with a chrome pipe though.
And isn't the YZ around $1300 cheaper? As much as I've seen people jump on the KTM bandwagon where I'm from over the last few years, I'm starting to see a lot of them move away from the brand. $$ not worth the hype. Yamaha is gaining huge momentum in my area (both two stroke and four stroke)
GeorgiePorgie 11/27/2015 9:02am
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Locally id say there are more yz 85 being raced than KTMS. National events; however, usually have riders with ability to spend more coin.
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Always makes me chuckle when others post the picture "Meanwhile in Japan" with all the Japanese asleep while KTM is advancing 2 stroke technology. I guess the top amateurs in the country missed the memo!!

And btw I own both KTM and Yamaha.....I just believe that the YZ125 is likely the one of the best mx motorcycles ever made (if not the best). Its ability to win races with no real changes since 2007 is a testament on how good the overall package is.
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FGR01 11/27/2015 4:43pm
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The engine in the 2005+ YZ125 was a quantum leap. I've ridden plenty of 125's with as much top-end but they are usually gutless on the bottom and mid. The stock YZ screams as well as many modded motors but has impressive bottom and mid (for a 125) that makes it easy to stay on the pipe. I wish I could have had that 125 engine back in the 80's when I was a kid racing 125's.

The Yamaha SSS suspension is just awesome and it shines the best on the YZ125 due to the very light weight of the bike. Both my 125 and 250 are dialed but the 125 feels like riding a mountain bike floating on pillows.
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BobPA 11/27/2015 4:56pm
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I watched some mxp tv videos and there were two divisions. And it literally looked like they stuck all the KTM's in one heat and all the Yamaha's in another..
Reefer Sutherland 11/27/2015 4:59pm
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Richard Tease II wrote:
Well if the rumours are true and its getting a lot of talk in Oz that here's a new YZ65 and also serious talk on new...
Well if the rumours are true and its getting a lot of talk in Oz that here's a new YZ65 and also serious talk on new 125 and 250. In Oz you go to the amateur national titles and 75% of the bikes are KTM. Yamaha have noted this as a good relationship builds with a brand early and they are aware it's hard to win people back. Yamaha are trying to win people back at the moment with an old outdated 85 it's not working. I trust my source on this one
Suzuki is dropping a new 85 in 17
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burn1986 11/27/2015 8:21pm
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Jaybird67k wrote:
Way way way better suspension on the YZ. Lord I wish I had all the money back I have spent trying to make my KTM's feel...
Way way way better suspension on the YZ.
Lord I wish I had all the money back I have spent trying to make my KTM's feel like my stock YZ's suspension. I could buy a new bike.

Jason
Why not just slap some YZ forks on the KTM? Just a thought Cool
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Did anybody else like #70 line choice at the 2:08 mark?
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slipdog 11/28/2015 4:50am
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Racer142 wrote:
Did anybody else like #70 line choice at the 2:08 mark?
Villopoto racing Am Nationals already?

Love how EVERYONE jumped the double after the red cross flag was waved...
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Todd is really good... Had some work done when I lived in Florida Gared Steinke Knows... http://www.tlrperformance.com/about.php Terry Varner is a wizard... but who knows what...
Todd is really good... Had some work done when I lived in Florida

Gared Steinke Knows...

http://www.tlrperformance.com/about.php

Terry Varner is a wizard... but who knows what he's up to...
Todd is absolutely the man for mods!

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