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People need to quit refering to the 450's as the premier class. this bugs the hell out of me that the 250 class is not held in the same regard by some. a national championship is a national championship. and the "world" championship mx2 class with its age rule. just the other the day someone on here took a crack at tedesco for riding the 250 class this year. is lamson a lesser rider because he was a decent 500 class rider then ended up winning 2 125 national championships or or the same with mickey dymond?
No different than in roadracing, where the riders racing 600's aspire to ride the 1000 superbikes, or in car racing where the F2000 guys want to race F1.
Every form of motorsports either has or needs a feeder class. In the US it's the 250 class.
As for your question about Lamson and Mickey Dymond, Although they were very fast, they weren't able to win in the premier class of their day, because there were other riders that were faster than them. Accept it.
I started in the good old days when there was always classes, 125, 250, and Open, and they were all prestigious.
and premier is in itself "exclusive" by definition....
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2. how is their earning of 125 titles not relevant? i was making the comparison of tedesco to their results in the equivalent class of today that has replaced the 125 class.
Also, it isn't proof that the larger displacement class is the "premier" class if a small bore specialist doesn't succeed there. There have been many times, past and present, that the small bore pilots were clearly faster than the "prestige" guys. Sometimes, a particular riding style suits one bike over the other.
I think any of our recent 450 champs would have their hands full in the current "feeder" class, and it wouldn't be because they are too heavy for the bike to be competitive.
there will always be an entry level and a premier class in Motocross/Supercross.....you cant change what the Moto Gods have set in stone for us
I dont really buy that. You only have to look at the amount of times a Lites rider has stepped up to ride a 450 for a one off race and has absolutely killed it - the AMA, MXdN etc. Yes they are ridden slightly differently, but the kids are so talented these days that they adapt in the blink of an eye and 9/10 they say they prefer riding the bigger bike!
And as for 'the top riders move up to the top class' comment above, yes they do, but so do the 20 or so other mediocre (in comparison) riders. Whats more, the guys who have been getting their asses beat by the likes of Dungey, Villopoto their whole career appear to lose motivation and just plateau, they don't have the hunger of a Baggett or a Barcia, or any other rider who is used to battling for podiums. At the very least the top 4-5 Lites riders in America could beat the majority of the 450 class.
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His final position in the points. obviously in the mix.
You obviously slept through the "lites" careers of Villopoto, Stewart, Dungey and Reed.
Oh, and, what FTE said.
The 125 Class was split into East & West regions in supercross because it was considered a "Privateer Class".
The 125 Outdoors was always considered a stepping stone class for the young guns to get their feet wet and for privateers.
(It still is in a sense but the teams & riders have advanced since back in the day and then when you take into consideration Lites bike specialists, the class has really grown indoors & out).The expenses of racing Lites I believe outdoors in probably harder on a privateer then the 450 class financially.
I do feel it has evolved into being on the same level as the so-called premier class to a certain extent.
But then again...what separates the men from the boys?
Experience racing at that level, maybe?
You must have slept through reaading comprehension 101.
Pit Row
Every sport has to have a way to get all the top guys on the same field/court/race track/motocross track at the same time. Imagine never seeing a Stewart vs Carmichael battle. Imagine a rider that's amazing on a 125/250 and cleaning up the class against teenagers for his entire career.
At the top level of any sport, you can't have two separate classes where the top guys can avoid each other. When you do, like boxing does, it leads to people avoiding each other to get a better chance at a win. Look at the Manny Pacquiao Floyd Mayweather situation.
The best riders will be the best on any size motorcycle they ride. It might take them a couple years to adjust to the 450 (Carmichael and Villopoto for example), but they will always be the best. Riders not doing as well on a 450 have to do with stiffer competition, not the motorcycle. A 450 takes a lot more strength and fitness to ride, and once that part is figured out, you'll see that the top guys will rise to the occasion.
Lammy was a Sandbagger for dropping back down with his chrome shoulder pads back then! Lmao!
sold more 125's more than anything else so it was very important imho.
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