rule banning turbocharging or KERS?

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Wouldn't turbos be aftermarket? I know a lot of stuff goes with one to utilizethe performance just asking is it banned.

And a kenectic energy recovery system could be used on straightaways or triple approach.

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Honda lover 707 1/12/2014 6:10pm
1/12/2014 6:10pm
Yep. In the AMA rule book it says the bike has to be naturally aspirated so no turbos. I saw it an a MXA magazine that I have actually. They talked about it because kawasaki is coming out with a new turbo sportbike I think.
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I think the extra weight that would be added by any type of KERS system would completely negate any potential advantage. Plus, I doubt they could make a system small enough to be used on a dirt bike to begin with.
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mojoman42 wrote:
I think the extra weight that would be added by any type of KERS system would completely negate any potential advantage. Plus, I doubt they could...
I think the extra weight that would be added by any type of KERS system would completely negate any potential advantage. Plus, I doubt they could make a system small enough to be used on a dirt bike to begin with.
Ktm used kers on their 125motogp bikes just a few yrs back,they kept it hid for a season and won back to back titles with it.

It also still made minimum weight not like f1 where they add the weight.

Ktm claimed it added 5hp which is huge on those little bikes.

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slipdog wrote:
Nothing to see here... [URL=http://s1207.photobucket.com/user/slipdog1/media/20140106_181704_zps829561b6.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb468/slipdog1/20140106_181704_zps829561b6.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/01/12/41799/s1200_image.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/01/12/41800/s1200_image.jpg[/img]
Nothing to see here...





Woaaahhhhhh what team? Give us a little hint!
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Socket946 1/12/2014 6:54pm
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"What would they do, make the bikes faster? They're already too fast" - Or something to that effect from RV at the MEC
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slipdog 1/12/2014 9:01pm
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bkent136 wrote:
Woaaahhhhhh what team? Give us a little hint!
They are team Alessi spy photos taken form inside the Moto Concepts rig,
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slipdog wrote:
Nothing to see here... [URL=http://s1207.photobucket.com/user/slipdog1/media/20140106_181704_zps829561b6.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb468/slipdog1/20140106_181704_zps829561b6.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/01/12/41799/s1200_image.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/01/12/41800/s1200_image.jpg[/img]
Nothing to see here...





That's an old idea....Arctic Cat experimented with something similar in the mid 70's, albeit with a twin.
Marc_Honda 1/13/2014 4:31am
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slipdog wrote:
Nothing to see here... [URL=http://s1207.photobucket.com/user/slipdog1/media/20140106_181704_zps829561b6.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb468/slipdog1/20140106_181704_zps829561b6.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/01/12/41799/s1200_image.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/01/12/41800/s1200_image.jpg[/img]
Nothing to see here...





BobPA wrote:
That's an old idea....Arctic Cat experimented with something similar in the mid 70's, albeit with a twin.
Can you explain what I'm looking at please.. I see the difference but how does it work and what advantage does it (or is it supposed to) give.
TristanBennett88 1/13/2014 5:21am
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Just another person trying to sell snake oil.
This technology don't work and I can assure you not one single top pro runs this including the rider / team slip dog claims.

Just another dip s__t looking for attention!!

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TristanBennett88 wrote:
Just another person trying to sell snake oil. This technology don't work and I can assure you not one single top pro runs this including the...
Just another person trying to sell snake oil.
This technology don't work and I can assure you not one single top pro runs this including the rider / team slip dog claims.

Just another dip s__t looking for attention!!

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I don't think that anyone took that serious...except you, of course.
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TristanBennett88 wrote:
Just another person trying to sell snake oil. This technology don't work and I can assure you not one single top pro runs this including the...
Just another person trying to sell snake oil.
This technology don't work and I can assure you not one single top pro runs this including the rider / team slip dog claims.

Just another dip s__t looking for attention!!

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So yer sayin' they don't race 2 strokes any more??? Bahahaha!!!

#1 Have a clue what your talking about before calling someone names one the internet.

#2 While you've proven you don't know what you're talking about, my dyno has proven that these cranks do work.

Stay classy...
aFACEdismembered 1/13/2014 8:34am
1/13/2014 8:34am
ERS (energy recovery systems) would be cool on these bikes but way to expensive to develop. You could pull energy from the rear shock, front forks, front and rear brakes, engine heat. Basically anything that generates heat/friction or a repetitive motion.
Marc_Honda 1/13/2014 8:52am
1/13/2014 8:52am
TristanBennett88 wrote:
Just another person trying to sell snake oil. This technology don't work and I can assure you not one single top pro runs this including the...
Just another person trying to sell snake oil.
This technology don't work and I can assure you not one single top pro runs this including the rider / team slip dog claims.

Just another dip s__t looking for attention!!

A
slipdog wrote:
So yer sayin' they don't race 2 strokes any more??? Bahahaha!!! #1 Have a clue what your talking about before calling someone names one the internet...
So yer sayin' they don't race 2 strokes any more??? Bahahaha!!!

#1 Have a clue what your talking about before calling someone names one the internet.

#2 While you've proven you don't know what you're talking about, my dyno has proven that these cranks do work.

Stay classy...
Sorry for being stupid but how does that work?
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Marc_Honda wrote:
Can you explain what I'm looking at please.. I see the difference but how does it work and what advantage does it (or is it supposed...
Can you explain what I'm looking at please.. I see the difference but how does it work and what advantage does it (or is it supposed to) give.
Its technology derived from the "Turbo Encabulator" transmission Chrysler developed in the 1950's. Expanation here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac7G7xOG2Ag

HopeWhistling this helps
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Marc_Honda wrote:
Can you explain what I'm looking at please.. I see the difference but how does it work and what advantage does it (or is it supposed...
Can you explain what I'm looking at please.. I see the difference but how does it work and what advantage does it (or is it supposed to) give.
OldYZRider1 wrote:
Its technology derived from the "Turbo Encabulator" transmission Chrysler developed in the 1950's. Expanation here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac7G7xOG2Ag

HopeWhistling this helps
Thank you.
Marc_Honda 1/13/2014 10:13am
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Marc_Honda wrote:
Can you explain what I'm looking at please.. I see the difference but how does it work and what advantage does it (or is it supposed...
Can you explain what I'm looking at please.. I see the difference but how does it work and what advantage does it (or is it supposed to) give.
OldYZRider1 wrote:
Its technology derived from the "Turbo Encabulator" transmission Chrysler developed in the 1950's. Expanation here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac7G7xOG2Ag

HopeWhistling this helps
thank you Cool
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Running 24 to 1 now I need all the oil I can get on the big end rod bearing. Rumor was this configuration might hamper that.

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slipdog wrote:
Nothing to see here... [URL=http://s1207.photobucket.com/user/slipdog1/media/20140106_181704_zps829561b6.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb468/slipdog1/20140106_181704_zps829561b6.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/01/12/41799/s1200_image.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/01/12/41800/s1200_image.jpg[/img]
Nothing to see here...





Seriously, does anyone have and explanation of what is going on here? I'm genuinely curious, I have never seen this before.
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enketchum 1/13/2014 11:12am
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JM485 wrote:
Seriously, does anyone have and explanation of what is going on here? I'm genuinely curious, I have never seen this before.
You do realize this is a 2 stroke, right?
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Marc_Honda wrote:
Can you explain what I'm looking at please.. I see the difference but how does it work and what advantage does it (or is it supposed...
Can you explain what I'm looking at please.. I see the difference but how does it work and what advantage does it (or is it supposed to) give.
OldYZRider1 wrote:
Its technology derived from the "Turbo Encabulator" transmission Chrysler developed in the 1950's. Expanation here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac7G7xOG2Ag

HopeWhistling this helps
ROTFLMAO!!!! Thank you OldYZ, That was what my monday needed!!!
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Wow! That was a new english language(encabulator explanation)!
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Im not sure how OldYZRider got some of our proprietary engineering video footage, but that is our chief engineering consultant explaining the process. My lawyers are currently drafting a cease and desist order.

@Mark and JM, it is a 2 stroke crankshaft that is machined in a specially designed jig to create a spinning centrifuge out of the crankshaft. No knurling, no scoops but a genuine centrifuge induction system.

This test motor is a 2002 RM125 and with nothing changed other than the crank, including the same 10hr piston and rings, this crank produced 8% more peak hp over the stock crank and as much as 25% more at 11,600rpm's. The peak torque #'s were virtually the same, but the stock crank peaked at 10k and dropped significantly by 10.7 and the modified crank peaked at 10.5 and held solid until 12.7 before beginning to taper off.

@Jake's Dad, we don't have any data either way, but our theory is that the vacuum created in the center of the crank should actually bring more cool oil rich mixture to the big end and many years of development has not shown and abnormal bearing issues for this particular design configuration.
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JM485 1/13/2014 12:31pm
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enketchum wrote:
You do realize this is a 2 stroke, right?
Of course, I'm just curious as to what the advantage was to that type of machining. Thanks for the explanation Slip, looks like a pretty interesting system.
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Marc_Honda wrote:
Can you explain what I'm looking at please.. I see the difference but how does it work and what advantage does it (or is it supposed...
Can you explain what I'm looking at please.. I see the difference but how does it work and what advantage does it (or is it supposed to) give.
OldYZRider1 wrote:
Its technology derived from the "Turbo Encabulator" transmission Chrysler developed in the 1950's. Expanation here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac7G7xOG2Ag

HopeWhistling this helps
Now that you put it like that, It makes perfect sense!

https://youtu.be/Ac7G7xOG2Ag
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TristanBennett88 wrote:
Just another person trying to sell snake oil. This technology don't work and I can assure you not one single top pro runs this including the...
Just another person trying to sell snake oil.
This technology don't work and I can assure you not one single top pro runs this including the rider / team slip dog claims.

Just another dip s__t looking for attention!!

A
TRISTAN,IS THAT A GIRLS NAME??? I'm sorry, speaking from an ENGINEERS point of view you have failed internal motor design's 101..Just trying to help you on future post's. Don't let your ALLIGATOR MOUTH OVER RIDE YOUR HUMMING BIRD ASS,makes you look very stupid. Do your home work before you speak..Oh and "DON'T WORK"..".DOESN'T WORK"...Try that next time..
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Marc_Honda wrote:
Can you explain what I'm looking at please.. I see the difference but how does it work and what advantage does it (or is it supposed...
Can you explain what I'm looking at please.. I see the difference but how does it work and what advantage does it (or is it supposed to) give.
OldYZRider1 wrote:
Its technology derived from the "Turbo Encabulator" transmission Chrysler developed in the 1950's. Expanation here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac7G7xOG2Ag

HopeWhistling this helps
Crap that was funny! Between your post and the 'Pinned' thread, I'm having a great day.
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TristanBennett88 wrote:
Just another person trying to sell snake oil. This technology don't work and I can assure you not one single top pro runs this including the...
Just another person trying to sell snake oil.
This technology don't work and I can assure you not one single top pro runs this including the rider / team slip dog claims.

Just another dip s__t looking for attention!!

A
DR.DAVE wrote:
TRISTAN,IS THAT A GIRLS NAME??? I'm sorry, speaking from an ENGINEERS point of view you have failed internal motor design's 101..Just trying to help you on...
TRISTAN,IS THAT A GIRLS NAME??? I'm sorry, speaking from an ENGINEERS point of view you have failed internal motor design's 101..Just trying to help you on future post's. Don't let your ALLIGATOR MOUTH OVER RIDE YOUR HUMMING BIRD ASS,makes you look very stupid. Do your home work before you speak..Oh and "DON'T WORK"..".DOESN'T WORK"...Try that next time..
You dug up a 17 month old thread to post this? Glad to have you aboard vital. I can already tell you'll be a valuable contributor.
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TristanBennett88 wrote:
Just another person trying to sell snake oil. This technology don't work and I can assure you not one single top pro runs this including the...
Just another person trying to sell snake oil.
This technology don't work and I can assure you not one single top pro runs this including the rider / team slip dog claims.

Just another dip s__t looking for attention!!

A
DR.DAVE wrote:
TRISTAN,IS THAT A GIRLS NAME??? I'm sorry, speaking from an ENGINEERS point of view you have failed internal motor design's 101..Just trying to help you on...
TRISTAN,IS THAT A GIRLS NAME??? I'm sorry, speaking from an ENGINEERS point of view you have failed internal motor design's 101..Just trying to help you on future post's. Don't let your ALLIGATOR MOUTH OVER RIDE YOUR HUMMING BIRD ASS,makes you look very stupid. Do your home work before you speak..Oh and "DON'T WORK"..".DOESN'T WORK"...Try that next time..
Grieby54 wrote:
You dug up a 17 month old thread to post this? Glad to have you aboard vital. I can already tell you'll be a valuable contributor.
He might not be gentle or eloquent with a keyboard, but he made the crank everyone is talking shit about and has more knowledge in his pinky finger than most people on this board. I'll take that over a bunch of girls arguing about who had the coolest jersey.
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Canerat 6/11/2015 11:36am
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With the current bikes being so powerful and fast only riders like Chuck Norris and David Hasselhoff will be able to tame a turbo mx bike.

Dream on....

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