one moto format in 09?

Crash82 wrote: ?????????????????????wtf????????????????????

Crash82 wrote: ?????????????????????wtf????????????????????

Foster576 wrote: This is BULLSHIT!!!!

Foster576 wrote: This is BULLSHIT!!!!

BobbyM wrote: on 350's no less, i bet PC will run 353's.

BobbyM wrote: on 350's no less, i bet PC will run 353's.

David Izer wrote: Bailey mentioned on DMXS last night that the outdoors would be going to a one-moto format in 2009.

Lots of pros and cons.

David Izer wrote: Bailey mentioned on DMXS last night that the outdoors would be going to a one-moto format in 2009.

Lots of pros and cons.

APLMAN wrote: Damn, I remember Dave telling me I was reaching too far when I said that the Colorado night dealio was just another step towards making motocross into stuporcross.......

Is this really being proposed?

APLMAN wrote: Damn, I remember Dave telling me I was reaching too far when I said that the Colorado night dealio was just another step towards making motocross into stuporcross.......

Is this really being proposed?

indy_maico wrote: Didn't they try this with the GP's awhile back and found out it sucked enough to go back to the 2 moto format?

GNCC looks better and better...........!

indy_maico wrote: Didn't they try this with the GP's awhile back and found out it sucked enough to go back to the 2 moto format?

GNCC looks better and better...........!

Highsider wrote: Who remembers when DeCoster tried it at Glen Helen?

Jimi J

Highsider wrote: Who remembers when DeCoster tried it at Glen Helen?

Jimi J

docweedon wrote: Back in 93, they tried this one moto format at Glen Helen for the last race of the season. It was called "Motofest". They basically had heats, semis, LCQ and a main. While it was interesting, it wasn't a National.

The Nationals don't need this one moto format, it needs more promotion and better factory involvement.

docweedon wrote: Back in 93, they tried this one moto format at Glen Helen for the last race of the season. It was called "Motofest". They basically had heats, semis, LCQ and a main. While it was interesting, it wasn't a National.

The Nationals don't need this one moto format, it needs more promotion and better factory involvement.

flarider wrote: When DORNA was running the GP's (NOT Youthsteam or Luongo), they tried the one moto format and it was a miserable failure.
Their reasoning was for TV.
They could run, in a three hour span, a 125GP, a 250GP and an Open GP, 40 min motos each.

Stefan Everts hated it so much, to prove a point, he ran all three the same day and won all three GP's.
He is, and will always be, the only rider to win three GP's in a day

flarider wrote: When DORNA was running the GP's (NOT Youthsteam or Luongo), they tried the one moto format and it was a miserable failure.
Their reasoning was for TV.
They could run, in a three hour span, a 125GP, a 250GP and an Open GP, 40 min motos each.

Stefan Everts hated it so much, to prove a point, he ran all three the same day and won all three GP's.
He is, and will always be, the only rider to win three GP's in a day

BobbyM wrote: for live tv they need 3 20 min motos which could be covered in 2 hours easy.

speedway is HUGE in europe on tv and they have literally dozens of races a night. somebody sold somebody a bag of horseshit it seems.

and unless you promote the commodity/riders in this sport and make people identify with them and where' they are from and what they look like and what they ride tv will never go anywhere.

this is a nascar idea obviously so maybe they know what they are doing. let's hope so.

BobbyM wrote: for live tv they need 3 20 min motos which could be covered in 2 hours easy.

speedway is HUGE in europe on tv and they have literally dozens of races a night. somebody sold somebody a bag of horseshit it seems.

and unless you promote the commodity/riders in this sport and make people identify with them and where' they are from and what they look like and what they ride tv will never go anywhere.

this is a nascar idea obviously so maybe they know what they are doing. let's hope so.

txmxer wrote:

txmxer wrote:

BobbyM wrote: Stefan Everts hated it so much, to prove a point, he ran all three the same day and won all three GP's.
He is, and will always be, the only rider to win three GP's in a day

now THAT is cool!

BobbyM wrote: Stefan Everts hated it so much, to prove a point, he ran all three the same day and won all three GP's.
He is, and will always be, the only rider to win three GP's in a day

now THAT is cool!

Highsider wrote: Who remembers when DeCoster tried it at Glen Helen?

Jimi J

race wrote: Kiedrowski remembers it.

race wrote: Kiedrowski remembers it.

Trinitite wrote: I think having a one moto format will drive down attendance.

Trinitite wrote: I think having a one moto format will drive down attendance.

WORCSRacer wrote: Maybe they'll have pitstops and tire changes during the race though. How about adding full course yellows?

WORCSRacer wrote: Maybe they'll have pitstops and tire changes during the race though. How about adding full course yellows?

BobbyM wrote: for live tv they need 3 20 min motos which could be covered in 2 hours easy.

speedway is HUGE in europe on tv and they have literally dozens of races a night. somebody sold somebody a bag of horseshit it seems.

and unless you promote the commodity/riders in this sport and make people identify with them and where' they are from and what they look like and what they ride tv will never go anywhere.

this is a nascar idea obviously so maybe they know what they are doing. let's hope so.

race wrote: They tried that ( three 20 min motos ) in the Euro GPs as well. And dumped it.

The riders all complained that it turned a tough moto into just a short sprint and put too much emphasis on the start, as you didn't have time to make up for a bad start.

I am so freaking sick of hearing about NASCAR. Apples and oranges. Two completely different and totally unrelated sports. Fock NASCAR.

The SX format used in 1993 at GH was interesting but they found that the riders were able to manipulate it. No great incentive to push in the Heats as gate pick was far less important outdoors.

race wrote: They tried that ( three 20 min motos ) in the Euro GPs as well. And dumped it.

The riders all complained that it turned a tough moto into just a short sprint and put too much emphasis on the start, as you didn't have time to make up for a bad start.

I am so freaking sick of hearing about NASCAR. Apples and oranges. Two completely different and totally unrelated sports. Fock NASCAR.

The SX format used in 1993 at GH was interesting but they found that the riders were able to manipulate it. No great incentive to push in the Heats as gate pick was far less important outdoors.

eurohero wrote: Running them on Saturdays would be a better change than one moto format. This has been a complaint for some time.

eurohero wrote: Running them on Saturdays would be a better change than one moto format. This has been a complaint for some time.

BobbyM wrote: for live tv they need 3 20 min motos which could be covered in 2 hours easy.

speedway is HUGE in europe on tv and they have literally dozens of races a night. somebody sold somebody a bag of horseshit it seems.

and unless you promote the commodity/riders in this sport and make people identify with them and where' they are from and what they look like and what they ride tv will never go anywhere.

this is a nascar idea obviously so maybe they know what they are doing. let's hope so.

zookrider62 wrote: If they had 2 hours to show it, they wouldnt need to change it to 1 moto.

zookrider62 wrote: If they had 2 hours to show it, they wouldnt need to change it to 1 moto.

WORCSRacer wrote: Maybe they'll have pitstops and tire changes during the race though. How about adding full course yellows?

flarider wrote: I actually think a better idea than going to one moto is go to two longer motos that would require a pit stop and bring endurance back into the game.

Stock tank won't make an hour, so make the race an hour which would necessitate a fuel stop.
As crazy as this sounds, it does a few things, it adds a new element requiring a rider to shut off the engine, dismount, refuel and re-start. It adds some strategy (when to stop) some concern (will it re-start?) and it allows TV an opportunity to get not only some team element into the race but also team sponsor logo/publicity on camera while the bike is being refueled.

I'd rather two one hour motos requiring endurance and a fuel stop than one moto

flarider wrote: I actually think a better idea than going to one moto is go to two longer motos that would require a pit stop and bring endurance back into the game.

Stock tank won't make an hour, so make the race an hour which would necessitate a fuel stop.
As crazy as this sounds, it does a few things, it adds a new element requiring a rider to shut off the engine, dismount, refuel and re-start. It adds some strategy (when to stop) some concern (will it re-start?) and it allows TV an opportunity to get not only some team element into the race but also team sponsor logo/publicity on camera while the bike is being refueled.

I'd rather two one hour motos requiring endurance and a fuel stop than one moto

G-man wrote: Sheesh I thought the new guys in charge were suppose to make things better, not worse! And yea I remember when the FIM tried it and Everts kicked everyone's ass!

But the thing about the FIM is when they know they screwed up they are not afraid to change it right away. Unlike the AMA who continues to make one bad decision after another & stick with it. The "LITES" name and hackjob of the SX format are prime examples, and now this BS!

I know one thing it will just save me time & money from SPECTATING if they continue down this spiral path of stupidity. I'll just go riding--what a concept!

G-man wrote: Sheesh I thought the new guys in charge were suppose to make things better, not worse! And yea I remember when the FIM tried it and Everts kicked everyone's ass!

But the thing about the FIM is when they know they screwed up they are not afraid to change it right away. Unlike the AMA who continues to make one bad decision after another & stick with it. The "LITES" name and hackjob of the SX format are prime examples, and now this BS!

I know one thing it will just save me time & money from SPECTATING if they continue down this spiral path of stupidity. I'll just go riding--what a concept!

WORCSRacer wrote: Maybe they'll have pitstops and tire changes during the race though. How about adding full course yellows?

flarider wrote: I actually think a better idea than going to one moto is go to two longer motos that would require a pit stop and bring endurance back into the game.

Stock tank won't make an hour, so make the race an hour which would necessitate a fuel stop.
As crazy as this sounds, it does a few things, it adds a new element requiring a rider to shut off the engine, dismount, refuel and re-start. It adds some strategy (when to stop) some concern (will it re-start?) and it allows TV an opportunity to get not only some team element into the race but also team sponsor logo/publicity on camera while the bike is being refueled.

I'd rather two one hour motos requiring endurance and a fuel stop than one moto

APLMAN wrote: I'd agree with the two longer motos, but I'd rather see them be able to use larger tanks.

Hate to see how the injury toll would climb with all those 4 strokes running out of fuel on the face of some of the bigger jumps........

APLMAN wrote: I'd agree with the two longer motos, but I'd rather see them be able to use larger tanks.

Hate to see how the injury toll would climb with all those 4 strokes running out of fuel on the face of some of the bigger jumps........

flarider wrote: That's where strategy comes in

You're supposed to stop BEFORE you run out of gas

flarider wrote: That's where strategy comes in

You're supposed to stop BEFORE you run out of gas

P wrote: 100 laps with pit stops???


P

P wrote: 100 laps with pit stops???


P

Racer92 wrote: Stop & dismount for gas? Not for offroad folks.
Dry break.

Racer92 wrote: Stop & dismount for gas? Not for offroad folks.
Dry break.

CR250Rider wrote: how about TWO 45 minute motos? just an idea.

CR250Rider wrote: how about TWO 45 minute motos? just an idea.

twizzler wrote: Was this an NPG/Coombs family idea or DMG forced?? My thoughts are that this sport both SX and MX is becoming more and more non-interesting to me.

twizzler wrote: Was this an NPG/Coombs family idea or DMG forced?? My thoughts are that this sport both SX and MX is becoming more and more non-interesting to me.

G-man wrote: Sheesh I thought the new guys in charge were suppose to make things better, not worse! And yea I remember when the FIM tried it and Everts kicked everyone's ass!

But the thing about the FIM is when they know they screwed up they are not afraid to change it right away. Unlike the AMA who continues to make one bad decision after another & stick with it. The "LITES" name and hackjob of the SX format are prime examples, and now this BS!

I know one thing it will just save me time & money from SPECTATING if they continue down this spiral path of stupidity. I'll just go riding--what