did i read where poorcel is still in the boys class?

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Edited Date/Time 1/25/2012 12:21pm
seriously?
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10/20/2009 6:39pm
I read it on Vital, so it must be true!!!!Woohoo
yep, hopefully Barcia kicks his ass. I guess he scared to go play with the big boys as he had a chance to sign with Suzuki to run a 450.
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10/20/2009 6:39pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 2:51am
Just wondering why the 250 class is underated?

Joel Robert was never bagged for only winning 250 Championships.

Just askin

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You dudes don't even "fish" very well.

Is there a Shuffleboard forum that should be worried about you??

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I really enjoy watching Barcia ride!! As much as I respect Pourcel for what he has endured, I want to see an American win in an American series.

The 250 riders really put on a great show, don't they??
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Dropbear wrote:
Just wondering why the 250 class is underated?

Joel Robert was never bagged for only winning 250 Championships.

Just askin

ah when Joel did it , it was the premier class before 4 strokes fucked it all up
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Dropbear wrote:
Just wondering why the 250 class is underated?

Joel Robert was never bagged for only winning 250 Championships.

Just askin

neysbo wrote:
ah when Joel did it , it was the premier class before 4 strokes fucked it all up
No, I think you will find in those days the 500 class was the premier class. Ask any old timer.

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Can you imagine the paradox watching Pourcel and Barcia "battle"?
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The 500 championship used to be the most coveted. I guess I'm an old timer, damn.
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Dropbear wrote:
Just wondering why the 250 class is underated?

Joel Robert was never bagged for only winning 250 Championships.

Just askin

ah when Joel did it , it was the premier class before 4 strokes fucked it all up
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10/20/2009 6:52pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 2:51am
What a load.


The boy's class is back at the amateur nationals.


When you get to supercross and the outdoor nationals, you no longer have a little boys class. I guess M.A is a little girl because he can't handle a 450 and needs a 350 right?
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500s were THE bikes at that time.

Robert's dominance on the 250s truly showed a rider matched to the bike.

He was at the beginning of "our" era, where eventually 2-stroke 250s would become the pinnacle - and also at the end of the last 4-stroke wave as the Triumph, BSA, and Greeves slipped into the sunset.

Monsieur Robert...look him up.
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The 500 championship used to be the most coveted. I guess I'm an old timer, damn.
ah maybe in europe but never here. The 250 class was the premiere class on good ole 2 strokes.

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If anything in the 70's the 250 and 500 class was of equal standing.

Was Weinert any more respected than Tony D? I dont think so.

I think "the rider matching the bike" quote is spot on.
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It's a professional class. Enough said.
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swizcore wrote:
Can you imagine the paradox watching Pourcel and Barcia "battle"?
It'll be interesting, that's for sure.
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Pourcel's contract was for 2 years. Pretty simple really.....if you bothered to check.
10/20/2009 7:37pm
Yep, the 500's were the premier class all right... until the 250 lap times were better.

Wasn't there a time when you raced the 500 class because it was easy to get a top 10 standing just to show up at the races?

Takes more skill to go fast on a small bike.

Weren't 500's just sold to farmers for drag racing their buddies after they mowed the hay?

Hey Bobby, I think I remember seeing some pics of you doing the "boner air" jumping that pig of a Maico...or was that a pic of Robbie Knievel?
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10/20/2009 7:39pm
Yeah, there's a whole 'nuther three-page topic on it...but you had to start this one?
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GuyB wrote:
Yeah, there's a whole 'nuther three-page topic on it...but you had to start this one?
Easy now Gibby, you sound like your getting an itchy clicking finger here in the off season.

Relax it will get worse no doubt about it.
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10/20/2009 7:49pm Edited Date/Time 10/20/2009 7:51pm
the 250 class now is the old 125 class and yes you need to move up after winning that class.
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Joel Robert used to come to the Trans-Ama races in the early 70's and race the open class and win !While he was a 250 specialist ,he has numerous international open class wins against all of the "heavies "of his era.Dont you dare go dissin Joel!!!!!
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Back then, the bikes in the 500 class made about as much HP as a modern 250cc two stroke does. I don't remember weather it wa MXA or Dirtbike but about 15 years ago they did a retro test on legendary open class bikes bikes from the 70's fully restored and dyno'd them they were barely in 40hp range.....wish I still had the magazine I'd scan it in and post the article. Sad
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.....and yes it sucks he is sandbagging the lites class for easy wins, he is clearly heads and shoulders above the rest of the field and BELONGS on a 450, he was a seasoned GP champion before he came over here and he easily won his second EVER AMA SX race clearly he needed to move up this year but didn't, hell Reed only spent 1 year in the lites class, the year he won the title and moved up. Not a fan of CP's move for sure, yes I know RV dominated for 3 years but those were his FIRST 3 years racing as a professional this will be CP's 6th year!
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.....and yes it sucks he is sandbagging the lites class for easy wins, he is clearly heads and shoulders above the rest of the field and...
.....and yes it sucks he is sandbagging the lites class for easy wins, he is clearly heads and shoulders above the rest of the field and BELONGS on a 450, he was a seasoned GP champion before he came over here and he easily won his second EVER AMA SX race clearly he needed to move up this year but didn't, hell Reed only spent 1 year in the lites class, the year he won the title and moved up. Not a fan of CP's move for sure, yes I know RV dominated for 3 years but those were his FIRST 3 years racing as a professional this will be CP's 6th year!
I don't recall RV having a year off to recover from a career threatening injury. You could call next season, season 2 of his rebuilt body.

The other reason he may not have moved up, is, perhaps nobody offered him enough money to make it worth leaving the 250 class! How many good paying seats were available anywhere?
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10/21/2009 1:11am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 2:51am
Well I posted this in another thread and forgot to include that I'll give him a pass for the injury as it was without a doubt devastating but still he stomped the class this year and would've had the outdoor title had it not been for a DNF

I believe he was in talks with Suzuki and I doubt they offered him a shit salary, PC doesn't pay very much to salaries (heard around 30k) with the majority of the riders money coming from bonuses i.e. incentive based contracts for the riders to try hard and win.....if CP could have an easy year handing it to the lites class and win convincingly he stands to make a LOT of bonus money hence the reason he probably stayed, easy money.

Don't you notice how PC a rider will ride their asses off for a win and most everyone that rides for them are very sucessful at putting in top finishes, once they leave the PC squad for a factory contract on another team all of a sudden the good finishes and come from behind wins cease to exist? Most likely due to an outstanding salary they are guaranteed to recieve even in 20th place. Yes I know PC bikes are the cream of the crop but there are many factory supported teams of different brands that are on an even playiong field Geico, Factory Suzuki etc. The difference between PC and the rest is the INCENTIVE based contracts! Dogger said it best in his podcast with matthes, once he signed a gravy contract he decided to take the first year off.
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More teams should opt for incentive-based contracts, and I think that you're probably already seeing that this coming season. Should make for some interesting racing.

Pourcel was one DNF away from two titles this year...and there's no reason why he shouldn't ride the 250s this year.

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The only reason he shouldn't is if he was offered a good 450 ride both in pay and factory bikes and turned it down so he could dominate the 250f's for another year. That I will never know.

GuyB Im picking up what you're putting down but it is clear that he will not be beaten very much if at all next year due to his professional experience and of course natural ability but he has been a professional since 2004 and has already won a GP MX2 Title. He will clean up win bonus $$$ next year without being seriously challenged, there are a few that can throw a wheel in there but I don't see any reason why he wouldn't be a shoe-in for both titles next year. Just doesn't sit very well with me because if he moved up he'd have to compete with some VERY tough competition and won't be able to enjoy the easy win streak he would have in the 250's.
10/21/2009 4:22am
The only reason he shouldn't is if he was offered a good 450 ride both in pay and factory bikes and turned it down so he...
The only reason he shouldn't is if he was offered a good 450 ride both in pay and factory bikes and turned it down so he could dominate the 250f's for another year. That I will never know.

GuyB Im picking up what you're putting down but it is clear that he will not be beaten very much if at all next year due to his professional experience and of course natural ability but he has been a professional since 2004 and has already won a GP MX2 Title. He will clean up win bonus $$$ next year without being seriously challenged, there are a few that can throw a wheel in there but I don't see any reason why he wouldn't be a shoe-in for both titles next year. Just doesn't sit very well with me because if he moved up he'd have to compete with some VERY tough competition and won't be able to enjoy the easy win streak he would have in the 250's.
You make it sound so easy for what CP did last year and what he is going to do this year and why he did it. Easy wins?

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