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cycle news 2013 450 shootout

gpracer36

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11/20/2012 8:29 AM

1st, kx
2nd, crf
3rd, yz
4th, ktm 450
5th, ktm 350
6th, rmz

kind of funny, reverse of the Racer X shootout pretty much. Cant wait to hear all the conspiracy theory’s out there...

nytsmaC

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11/20/2012 8:40 AM

Wow, surprised. It kind of goes to show that depending on the test rider and the track any of these bikes can be a winner, they're all that good. The KX seems to be consistently at the top however between the different shootouts so far.

gpracer36

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11/20/2012 8:45 AM

one thing worth noting, they rode more than one track and also rode glen helen, more credible than the racer x shootout, i mean ride day

sozo

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11/20/2012 9:28 AM

How did MXA rate them ????

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11/20/2012 9:37 AM

every review is subjective - pay about as much attention to them as the newspapers.

want to know which bike is best? Go ride them.

varagon

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11/20/2012 9:41 AM

Not everyone has the opprotunity to ride each bike.

peelout

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11/20/2012 10:01 AM
Edited Date/Time: 11/20/2012 1:45 PM

gpracer36 wrote: 1st, kx
2nd, crf
3rd, yz
4th, ktm 450
5th, ktm 350
6th, rmz

kind of funny, reverse of the Racer X shootout pretty much. Cant wait to hear all the conspiracy theory’s out there...

i look at it more like a prediction of the supercross series points in Vegas at the end of 2013 season

1st, KX, RV
2nd, CRF, CR
3rd, YZ, lolz just kidding
4th, KTM450, Dungey (probably 3rd though)
5th, KTM350, Pourcel (farting noises)
6th, RMZ, Stewderp

kcco

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11/20/2012 10:36 AM

I would go with the lightest one - CRF. It's funny that this seems to be one of the factors they don't take into consideration.

newmann

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11/20/2012 12:29 PM

burn1986 wrote: I would go with the lightest one - CRF. It's funny that this seems to be one of the factors they don't take into consideration.

I would take the Honda for the weight. And I would ditch the twice pipes for a single ti and carbon setup. And it would be loud, it's a race bike dammit. It would have to be fed a huge diet of ti, carbon and magnesium to get it well below the ama minimum weight limit. Engine mods, well it wouldn't need any for my old slow self, maybe a detune if anything.

newmann

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11/20/2012 12:29 PM

And then I wake up....

kiwifan

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11/20/2012 12:31 PM

Motorcycle News had the same top 2, so at the moment RacerX is the exception....we shall see what the others say, MXA cant be far away.

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11/20/2012 12:48 PM

newmann wrote: And then I wake up....

Ha, I thought you were dreaming...or had made a huge change in your tastes.

MX558

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11/20/2012 4:28 PM

varagon wrote: Not everyone has the opprotunity to ride each bike.

Just ask someone at the track I do it all the time. My friends laugh their ass's off at me when I'm riding someone Else's bike. Plus it keeps hrs. off mine. haha

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11/20/2012 5:06 PM

to have the rmz last is laughable , and i am a honda rider , there seem s to be a lot of people out there that think since the rmz has nt changed majorly in a good few years its a bad thing ,i still think the 08 honda crf 450 is the best production bike ever built , the suzuki comes closest to it ,plus the rmz turns better , weight is nt every thing , the rmz is nearly the heaviest , but it is well know it handles the best , (if it aint broke don t fix it ) , the rmz might not be the best bike for eveyone in the class , but having the bike last out of the list , makes this list totally not credible imo

kiwifan

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11/20/2012 5:44 PM

brimx153 wrote: to have the rmz last is laughable , and i am a honda rider , there seem s to be a lot of people out there that think since the rmz has nt changed majorly in a good few years its a bad thing ,i still think the 08 honda crf 450 is the best production bike ever built , the suzuki comes closest to it ,plus the rmz turns better , weight is nt every thing , the rmz is nearly the heaviest , but it is well know it handles the best , (if it aint broke don t fix it ) , the rmz might not be the best bike for eveyone in the class , but having the bike last out of the list , makes this list totally not credible imo

well if you read the article it does state that although rated 6th you could easily win on it. but thats the problem with todays bike there really isnt a real bad bike out there (unless you are a national pro in which case you would likely notice a difference).... which bike often comes down to reliability, delaer support, contiingency programmes, brand loyatly, etc rather than the actual bike performance itself.

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11/20/2012 6:04 PM

brimx153 wrote: to have the rmz last is laughable , and i am a honda rider , there seem s to be a lot of people out there that think since the rmz has nt changed majorly in a good few years its a bad thing ,i still think the 08 honda crf 450 is the best production bike ever built , the suzuki comes closest to it ,plus the rmz turns better , weight is nt every thing , the rmz is nearly the heaviest , but it is well know it handles the best , (if it aint broke don t fix it ) , the rmz might not be the best bike for eveyone in the class , but having the bike last out of the list , makes this list totally not credible imo

kiwifan wrote: well if you read the article it does state that although rated 6th you could easily win on it. but thats the problem with todays bike there really isnt a real bad bike out there (unless you are a national pro in which case you would likely notice a difference).... which bike often comes down to reliability, delaer support, contiingency programmes, brand loyatly, etc rather than the actual bike performance itself.

totally agree with the reliability point , thats how i choose my bike s , and your right there is nt a bad bike out there , but there is a few unreliable out there , even if honda was last every year in a shootout id still buy it for its reliability , but this yr id be really worried about the forks , time will tell

fader418

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11/20/2012 7:40 PM

I would just buy a 2 stroke. Problem solved

dizzy8085

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11/20/2012 7:43 PM

fader418 wrote: I would just buy a 2 stroke. Problem solved

Because 2 strokes never break.

Go jump off a bridge.

jmar

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11/20/2012 7:52 PM

As always, the Honda is a very good place to start.

Jim Martin

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11/20/2012 7:59 PM

jmar wrote: As always, the Honda is a very good place to start.

They are all a good place to start.

jmar

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11/20/2012 8:20 PM

jmar wrote: As always, the Honda is a very good place to start.

BAMX wrote: They are all a good place to start.

But not as good as the Honda.

The Honda has always been a machine of quality engineering and attention to detail. It's also the best bike as a starting point as far as handling.

Jim Martin

orangecrush

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11/20/2012 8:42 PM

jmar wrote: As always, the Honda is a very good place to start.

BAMX wrote: They are all a good place to start.

jmar wrote: But not as good as the Honda.

The Honda has always been a machine of quality engineering and attention to detail. It's also the best bike as a starting point as far as handling.

Keep telling yourself this. Your comment is Laughable as I've poured more $$ into my honda's to make them work properly than all other colors combined. Quality engineering my ass.

peelout

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11/20/2012 8:58 PM

BAMX wrote: They are all a good place to start.

jmar wrote: But not as good as the Honda.

The Honda has always been a machine of quality engineering and attention to detail. It's also the best bike as a starting point as far as handling.

orangecrush wrote: Keep telling yourself this. Your comment is Laughable as I've poured more $$ into my honda's to make them work properly than all other colors combined. Quality engineering my ass.

Ever ridden an '07 or' 08?

Best bikes Honda has released to the public (post 4 stroke revolution)

kcco

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11/20/2012 9:04 PM

jmar wrote: But not as good as the Honda.

The Honda has always been a machine of quality engineering and attention to detail. It's also the best bike as a starting point as far as handling.

orangecrush wrote: Keep telling yourself this. Your comment is Laughable as I've poured more $$ into my honda's to make them work properly than all other colors combined. Quality engineering my ass.

peelout wrote: Ever ridden an '07 or' 08?

Best bikes Honda has released to the public (post 4 stroke revolution)

let me correct myself. the 09-13 generaton. we back on the same page? 08 was a good year.

malachi177

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11/20/2012 10:32 PM

jmar wrote: But not as good as the Honda.

The Honda has always been a machine of quality engineering and attention to detail. It's also the best bike as a starting point as far as handling.

Honda quality is sooo true! My buddy has his own bike shop. His bread and butter is repairing those ultra reliable Uni-cam engines...good job Honda my friend loves them, it keeps him in business..and as for the best bike for handling???? Honda's aren't yellow dude.

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11/20/2012 11:53 PM

jmar wrote: But not as good as the Honda.

The Honda has always been a machine of quality engineering and attention to detail. It's also the best bike as a starting point as far as handling.

orangecrush wrote: Keep telling yourself this. Your comment is Laughable as I've poured more $$ into my honda's to make them work properly than all other colors combined. Quality engineering my ass.

peelout wrote: Ever ridden an '07 or' 08?

Best bikes Honda has released to the public (post 4 stroke revolution)

I have an 06 Peely and love it. Not planning on selling it anytime soon.

Huckster

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11/21/2012 3:50 AM

jmar wrote: As always, the Honda is a very good place to start.

BAMX wrote: They are all a good place to start.

jmar wrote: But not as good as the Honda.

The Honda has always been a machine of quality engineering and attention to detail. It's also the best bike as a starting point as far as handling.

not knocking your opinion but have you ridden a 09-12 honda and any other bike out there? I have a 12 crf and it does not even come close to turning/handling as good as my 09 suzuki did. I also just came off a 350 and that bike handles so much better than the Honda. I have clamps, knuckle and suspension done on my CRF and it is not as good as a stock suzuki IMHO....

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11/21/2012 5:27 AM

fader418 wrote: I would just buy a 2 stroke. Problem solved

dizzy8085 wrote: Because 2 strokes never break.

Go jump off a bridge.

Well it can break 3 times and be a lot cheaper than a popper breaking once...

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11/21/2012 6:20 AM
Edited Date/Time: 11/21/2012 6:21 AM

malachi177 wrote: Honda quality is sooo true! My buddy has his own bike shop. His bread and butter is repairing those ultra reliable Uni-cam engines...good job Honda my friend loves them, it keeps him in business..and as for the best bike for handling???? Honda's aren't yellow dude.

100 % false. I have an '09 450 with 252 hours on it and the valves have never even needed to be shimmed, i ride 40+ expert, and the thing has never seen a trail, strictly moto. 0 issues.

The guys who pay for the series and the guys who the team manager answers to are the SAME guys...
Whats so hard to understand about that???

(Oh yeah, the above comments may be biased towards my own philosophophy)

newmann

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11/21/2012 6:46 AM

jmar wrote: As always, the Honda is a very good place to start.

BAMX wrote: They are all a good place to start.

jmar wrote: But not as good as the Honda.

The Honda has always been a machine of quality engineering and attention to detail. It's also the best bike as a starting point as far as handling.

The 1976 CR250 was such an obsolete machine that Honda discontinued it for 1977.



That 23 inch front wheel was an engineering marvel as well. And those 12 inch travel 37mm diameter forks flexed like overcooked spaghetti. Chopper style!



After years of having the absolute trickest open class works bikes on the planet, they offered this to the public in 1981. Weighed more than a modern 450....and that's f'n heavy! Ill handling, poorly suspended, moto that broke before being uncrated....



Because we NEEDED aluminum frames... I introduce to you the 1997 CR250. Assembled from salvage of the failed aluminum bridge in Japan.




And after being known for the most reliable four strokes on the planet, they offered up the 2002 CRF450 that sucked the valves into the head in record time. Honda even released a statement to some owners that valve replacement should be considered routine maintenance. LOL

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