Zac Commans

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1/16/2016 8:15pm Edited Date/Time 1/17/2016 7:02pm
Congrats to Zac for making his first SX in his first attempt. Does anybody know how he got his SX license? It doesn't appear that he got his road to SX points from the AX series, and was actually on the entry list for tonite's AX race.
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1/16/2016 8:53pm
Oh shit. Is this the first kid who got slipped in behind the curtain that brooks was alluding to the other week?

Popcorn time
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1/16/2016 8:56pm
Arenacross last year? I'm not going to look it up because I don't care as he is clearly qualified to be out there.
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1/16/2016 9:15pm
Pretty sure he did the double header last weekend to get his points.
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1/16/2016 9:15pm
Grizz wrote:
Arenacross last year? I'm not going to look it up because I don't care as he is clearly qualified to be out there.
Not eligible from AX last year, and only one Road to SX point this year.

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1/16/2016 9:17pm
Grizz wrote:
Arenacross last year? I'm not going to look it up because I don't care as he is clearly qualified to be out there.
Not eligible from AX last year, and only one Road to SX point this year.
Why not eligible?
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1/16/2016 9:19pm Edited Date/Time 1/16/2016 9:22pm
ML512 wrote:
Pretty sure he did the double header last weekend to get his points.
Last weekend was a one nighter...he has one Road to SX point according to the AX site. He would have needed three cities, I think.

I may have misread a column title on the AX site. I'm going to look up last year.
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1/16/2016 9:21pm
Grizz wrote:
Arenacross last year? I'm not going to look it up because I don't care as he is clearly qualified to be out there.
It's not about if he's clearly qualified or not dumbass. It's about "picking favorites"
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1/16/2016 9:23pm
Did he race AX last year? The rule states that you need to earn the points in one calender year so if he earned some late last season and then last week maybe he completed "the road".

I tried to look up last years results when we were going over this earlier but try as I might I could not find anything for 2015.
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1/16/2016 9:24pm
Gringoe wrote:
It's not about if he's clearly qualified or not dumbass. It's about "picking favorites"
Chill.
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1/16/2016 9:33pm Edited Date/Time 1/17/2016 1:31am
http://arenacross.tracksideresults.com/archives/2015/r2sx.asp

They must have granted him his SX license based on his performance at the Cincinatti Arenacross last weekend. He only competed in the AX class, but won the LCQ and finished 15th and 12th in the mains. That is his only Arenacross race that I can find, but I was unable to open the 2014 archive results. Points earned prior to 2015 wouldn't affect his Road to SX status anyway.
1/17/2016 6:28am
The Road to SX is as laughable as the AMA Is at enforcing their own rules.. The favorites get special treatment whether it be gate pics or parking spots in the pits.

The rules are clear on qualifying for SX license and the AMA officials allowed Commons to race without going through the same hoops as other riders.

The loophole was closed allowing Loretta's reusults to get your license, and a number of top amateurs last year drove all over the country to get qualified ( spending $$$$$$ to do it)
Bloss won Open A pro sport and the Horizon award ( as well as scoring national points in 450 outdoors last year) but is still having to jump through the hoops.

Commons was Not eligible for San Diego- period. ( clearly he was capable- again making the argument that this is an expensive and un-necessary step for these top kids)
Wake up AMA - the little credibility you have left is hanging by a string
1/17/2016 7:13am
I'm going to take a stab at showing how this happened. The AMA haters and conspiracy theorists are not going to believe it, but I think this is how it went down:

2013 AMA SX Rulebook:

Page 35

Requirements for SX License 2013 or 2014

d. Qualifying through other programs

1. Earn at least 75 points through AMA Pro/AM MX Series


Zach had 75 Pro AM points in 2014 in the 250 and 86 points in the 450 Pro AM thus meeting the requirements for his SX license in 2014.

OK, now lets go to 2016

2016 AMA SX Rulebook

Page 17

Section 3.2 SX License Requirements

e. Riders who earned a 2013, 2014, or 2015 AMA SX License may apply for a 2016 license based on the criteria for which it was earned in 2013, 2014, 2015.



So Zac met the criteria to earn a license in 2014 but never applied because of injury. Based on Section 3.2 / e. he can apply in 2016 based on the fact that he earned the right to apply in 2014.

Pretty sure Zac went to Cinci AX not knowing this. It was pointed out to him, he applied, and was approved. His one point in Cinci had nothing to do with his approval.

[i]Disclaimer - I may or may be right about this but it is a way, that within the rules as written, that Zac could have gotten his license.

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1/17/2016 8:12am
Zac may have met the criteria two years ago- but not this year. Alexander Frye had to go to a bunch of rounds to get his points last year- last year you only had to qualify for the night show ( top 30 qualifying time) to get your point- this year it is top 16 I believe, and you have to ride the main (also new this year as some kids last year opted out to stay safe for their actual season goals/ Loretta's etc)
The AMA officials are not afraid to change the rules - and even less afraid to ignore them when they see fit.
1/17/2016 8:20am
It's basically a racket to put butts in the Ax seats to see top amateurs get their points. Unless...that top amateur is a big enough draw to put butts in SX seats. Then they give him a pass. It's all about how many tickets you sell if you really look at the past 2-3 years of this program.
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1/17/2016 8:25am Edited Date/Time 1/17/2016 8:29am
Frye probably didn't have the ProAm points needed to qualify for his SX license in prior years. Looks like Zac meets the qualifications based upon SlowOldGuy's analysis.

Gotta give another shout to Zac for notching his first 3 Supercross points, in his first race attempted. I'm sure he's pleased with his efforts, and I hope we see him qualify at the rest of the West rounds.
1/17/2016 8:54am
Not trying to take anything away from Zac and his top 20 last night- calling Bullsh#t in the rule and AMA willingness to ignore the rules whenever the whim strikes them.

Pro am points don't qualify you anymore. Does not matter. Also, most of these kids ride Monster Cup ( which is a better test of their readiness than the AX hoop)

I believe Bloss podiumed there in 14'.
If memory serves, Renzlend was last kid to qualify under the old rules.
Plessinger had to ride AX last year even after winning Loretta's multiple classes and having pro am points. I'm sure they will come up with some weak excuse - like blaming some sap in the Ohio office for the mistake- Bottom line- Zero accountability at the top.
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1/17/2016 9:10am
I thought SlowOldGuy explained how Zac got his fairly clearly. There doesn't seem to be any ambiguity in the language or wording of the rules, as they are reproduced from the current and previous rule books. Maybe some detail is escaping me, or there is some concept I'm not grasping.
1/17/2016 9:33am Edited Date/Time 1/17/2016 9:35am
Zac may have met the criteria two years ago- but not this year. Alexander Frye had to go to a bunch of rounds to get his...
Zac may have met the criteria two years ago- but not this year. Alexander Frye had to go to a bunch of rounds to get his points last year- last year you only had to qualify for the night show ( top 30 qualifying time) to get your point- this year it is top 16 I believe, and you have to ride the main (also new this year as some kids last year opted out to stay safe for their actual season goals/ Loretta's etc)
The AMA officials are not afraid to change the rules - and even less afraid to ignore them when they see fit.
Since Skippy is having trouble with reading comprehension, this is from the 2016 rulebook available to anyone online at www.amasupercross.com:

2016 AMA SX Rulebook

Page 17

Section 3.2 SX License Requirements

e. Riders who earned a 2013, 2014, or 2015 AMA SX License may apply for a 2016 license based on the criteria for which it was earned in 2013, 2014, 2015.


Sorry Skippy, you are just wrong.

And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the is a good rule, just that it exists, and no favors were given or no rules were broken in Zacs case.

I'm guessing section e. will not be there next year.
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1/17/2016 9:34am
Pretty sure the rulebook says 'or', which refers to the big guys knowing of the person getting their license and approving of it. At least there is something. A slow guy has no right to show up for sx at practice. A few years ago, there were some painfully unqualified 'pros' just there to say they were there. At least now, you need some credibility. Forkner doesn't really have to 'qualify', but it looks better.
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Zac may have met the criteria two years ago- but not this year. Alexander Frye had to go to a bunch of rounds to get his...
Zac may have met the criteria two years ago- but not this year. Alexander Frye had to go to a bunch of rounds to get his points last year- last year you only had to qualify for the night show ( top 30 qualifying time) to get your point- this year it is top 16 I believe, and you have to ride the main (also new this year as some kids last year opted out to stay safe for their actual season goals/ Loretta's etc)
The AMA officials are not afraid to change the rules - and even less afraid to ignore them when they see fit.
SlowOldGuy wrote:
Since Skippy is having trouble with reading comprehension, this is from the 2016 rulebook available to anyone online at www.amasupercross.com: 2016 AMA SX Rulebook Page 17...
Since Skippy is having trouble with reading comprehension, this is from the 2016 rulebook available to anyone online at www.amasupercross.com:

2016 AMA SX Rulebook

Page 17

Section 3.2 SX License Requirements

e. Riders who earned a 2013, 2014, or 2015 AMA SX License may apply for a 2016 license based on the criteria for which it was earned in 2013, 2014, 2015.


Sorry Skippy, you are just wrong.

And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the is a good rule, just that it exists, and no favors were given or no rules were broken in Zacs case.

I'm guessing section e. will not be there next year.
This is possibly why we're not seeing Forker race???
1/17/2016 9:45am
Forkner does not meet these requirements, he was on Superminis in 2014. Pretty sure he is starting in round 3 or 4. There is no rush for him because he isn't riding SX till 2017. He will be out there in a couple of weeks.
1/17/2016 9:46am
It's basically a racket to put butts in the Ax seats to see top amateurs get their points. Unless...that top amateur is a big enough draw...
It's basically a racket to put butts in the Ax seats to see top amateurs get their points. Unless...that top amateur is a big enough draw to put butts in SX seats. Then they give him a pass. It's all about how many tickets you sell if you really look at the past 2-3 years of this program.
Reefer,

Name one guy who got a pass because he will put butts in the seats.

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SlowOldGuy wrote:
Forkner does not meet these requirements, he was on Superminis in 2014. Pretty sure he is starting in round 3 or 4. There is no rush...
Forkner does not meet these requirements, he was on Superminis in 2014. Pretty sure he is starting in round 3 or 4. There is no rush for him because he isn't riding SX till 2017. He will be out there in a couple of weeks.
Thanks, just curious.
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1/17/2016 9:59am
Forkner and Sexton are racing beginning with round 5 in CO, Feb 4-7.
1/17/2016 10:16am
I thought SlowOldGuy explained how Zac got his fairly clearly. There doesn't seem to be any ambiguity in the language or wording of the rules, as...
I thought SlowOldGuy explained how Zac got his fairly clearly. There doesn't seem to be any ambiguity in the language or wording of the rules, as they are reproduced from the current and previous rule books. Maybe some detail is escaping me, or there is some concept I'm not grasping.
Slow Old Guy clearly shows how it Was in 2013. Not how it was in 14, 15 or 16- which are all different.
1/17/2016 10:26am
Slow Old Guy clearly shows how it Was in 2013. Not how it was in 14, 15 or 16- which are all different.
The 2013 book references how to get a 2013 and a 2014 license. The 2016 book says you are grandfathered if you qualified in those years.
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1/17/2016 10:35am
SlowOldGuy wrote:
The 2013 book references how to get a 2013 and a 2014 license. The 2016 book says you are grandfathered if you qualified in those years.
^^ Pretty simple to understand, really.
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1/17/2016 10:44am
Here's a quote and link to his Privateer Profile on RacerX this past November. Apparently he was unaware, at that time, that he would be able to forego the Road to SX.

"Commans had planned to race the Ricky Carmichael Road to Supercross in Amsoil Arenacross after the Spring Nationals, but of course was unable to. In order to race supercross in 2016 he will have to skip Anaheim 1 and Phoenix to earn his supercross points. He said he is excited to possibly see snow on the ground for the first time when he comes to Cincinnati, Ohio, for the opening round of arenacross."

http://racerxonline.com/2015/11/18/privateer-profile-zac-commans

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