Unpopular opinion: It's a beautiful bike and represents the golden era of no-expense-spared works trickness, but it's a far cry from what's available on the showroom floor today. I don't believe it would be at all competitive in modern professional racing.
No disrespect. I'm a huge Honda fan and vintage dork.
Any bike from the early 2000s would blow it away, nevermind a modern 450. Outdated suspension, drum brakes, and probably down 15 horsepower against a modern 450 that's easier to ride.
Unpopular opinion: It's a beautiful bike and represents the golden era of no-expense-spared works trickness, but it's a far cry from what's available on the showroom...
Unpopular opinion: It's a beautiful bike and represents the golden era of no-expense-spared works trickness, but it's a far cry from what's available on the showroom floor today. I don't believe it would be at all competitive in modern professional racing.
No disrespect. I'm a huge Honda fan and vintage dork.
You're probably correct. But imagine if Honda had the incentive and budget to make a max-technology RC-450 (or maybe RC-250 two-stroke) today? I believe that's perfectly legal in MXGP, just not practical anymore.
That bike could very possibly be the trickest bike ever (for a given era). It was so far ahead of the other 250's that it wasn't fair!
I'd love to see a comparison/test of it against a 2017 KTM 250 and YZ250!!
If you were wearing an open faced helmet I would have to think you would have the competition beat before the gate even dropped. Especially if they see your cum face revving that two stroke up.
I saw a guy up at woodland WA on a scamble race day.....get fteakin' 2nd in the " A class " on a 74' Elsinore! A lot of modern bikes behind him. He was flat out hauling ass on that thing.
The jumps are what have changed this sport and made older bikes obsolete. Round the track out a bit like the old days....and shit YES that Honda would be competitive in the right hands.
Ever watch a great rider rail turns on vintage bike? Can make some fast dudes look stupid.
Well, in a 250 class, with a good rider on it and it set up for him, I think it would be pretty competitive.
A Thirty Five year Old bike.
Better still would be the 84 /85 and the GP 86 versions, with discs and the even more advanced Electric Power Valve control ( that 82 I think already had that).
Those, set up specifically for a current high level rider, with modern suspension internals advances, and PV / Ignition advances as we see with GET etc, would be competitive against any 250 of today.
Was a cool story but if I remember correctly he qualified for Loretta's on it but it ended up blowing up in practice or something and he never got to race it, believe he borrowed a 250f.
The bikes are definitely fast but I would have to believe the advancements in suspension technology are really where you'd see the difference between older bikes and a production bike today.
Yeah it didn't make it through Lorettas after it had some work on it...
Thing is. We always here 90% rider, 10% bike etc... that's true to be like "This" fast... ie, if the bike is pretty well right, it's up to the rider. So, if that thing could go as fast as RJ back then, well yeah it could go very fast now.
Past that, when all the riders start getting close in speed, setup, performance, an advantage here or there, and the rider's overall comfort, is what lets them push, and consistently so...
If you had the right rider riding it on the right track sure it would be fine.
Watch some of the old races with Ward and Johnson, and etc. if you took them from their time period and sat them on a 450 at Oakland they are not going to make the main. The tracks have changed significantly. Riding styles have changed. Given enough time they would adjust. They are great riders and tops in our sport. But the tracks and styles have changed so much over the last 20-30 years.
In that first video it certainly looks like the four stroke 250 overpowers his 85 2 stroke. Significantly But he is competing in 250 A on a dinosaur. Certainly not a works bike from back in the day
My dad lets me ride his 82' husky 430xc. Believe it or not the suspension is not that bad. The drum brakes are what doesn't give it a snowballs chance in hell.
Also it is very wide and the seating position is wierd but the low end power is decent.
I wish they would do away with the production rule in the 450 class. Lets see how creative teams would get. Carbon fiber, mag wheels, etc. And leave the 250 class production based. I don't think it's unfair to privateers either.. Put A Ray on Dungeys bike, and he isnt beating Dungey. Open it up!
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No disrespect. I'm a huge Honda fan and vintage dork.
I'd love to see a comparison/test of it against a 2017 KTM 250 and YZ250!!
https://youtu.be/2GE5dQwAgyI
I saw a guy up at woodland WA on a scamble race day.....get fteakin' 2nd in the " A class " on a 74' Elsinore! A lot of modern bikes behind him. He was flat out hauling ass on that thing.
The jumps are what have changed this sport and made older bikes obsolete. Round the track out a bit like the old days....and shit YES that Honda would be competitive in the right hands.
Ever watch a great rider rail turns on vintage bike? Can make some fast dudes look stupid.
Pit Row
A Thirty Five year Old bike.
Better still would be the 84 /85 and the GP 86 versions, with discs and the even more advanced Electric Power Valve control ( that 82 I think already had that).
Those, set up specifically for a current high level rider, with modern suspension internals advances, and PV / Ignition advances as we see with GET etc, would be competitive against any 250 of today.
Gorgeous, Very Special bikes.
Rumor is some 450 dudes didn't like getting passed by a 37 year old bike.
How bah dah?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMVdED0zolo
The bikes are definitely fast but I would have to believe the advancements in suspension technology are really where you'd see the difference between older bikes and a production bike today.
Thing is. We always here 90% rider, 10% bike etc... that's true to be like "This" fast... ie, if the bike is pretty well right, it's up to the rider. So, if that thing could go as fast as RJ back then, well yeah it could go very fast now.
Past that, when all the riders start getting close in speed, setup, performance, an advantage here or there, and the rider's overall comfort, is what lets them push, and consistently so...
Watch some of the old races with Ward and Johnson, and etc. if you took them from their time period and sat them on a 450 at Oakland they are not going to make the main. The tracks have changed significantly. Riding styles have changed. Given enough time they would adjust. They are great riders and tops in our sport. But the tracks and styles have changed so much over the last 20-30 years.
Also it is very wide and the seating position is wierd but the low end power is decent.
This is fun to watch.
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