Would DeCoster manage the USA without a KTM rider?

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Just have a feeling there wont be a KTM rider picked next year!
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cdm806 9/28/2014 10:24am
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I believe the year was 2006 when Stewart, RV and Ferry, all on Kawis were managed by DeCoster, who was the Suzuki boss at the time.
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He's been the manager for 30 some years, other than a few times. Why would that change? Why should it change?
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2006 it was Stewart, Rv and Tedesco riding with suzuki

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prozach 9/28/2014 12:17pm
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Should he be the manager? For a few years now he isn't getting the most.out of his riders. I don't mind losing. But when pretty much every rider under performs for a few years in a row it might be time for a change.
Samdanny576 9/28/2014 12:18pm
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The man has done more for USA Motocross thsn almost anyone.
Why would we not want him to manage the team?
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Boarddesign 9/28/2014 12:24pm
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I said the same thing last year. He won't pick riders for certain personal reasons, that's a reason to not be picked as the Mgr.
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prozach 9/28/2014 12:26pm
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Samdanny576 wrote:
The man has done more for USA Motocross thsn almost anyone.
Why would we not want him to manage the team?
Coaches are expected to get the most out of their teams. He has failed to do that for a few years now.
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Boarddesign 9/28/2014 12:30pm
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GIVE ME MITCH PAYTON!! feel like I'm on repeat..
Samdanny576 9/28/2014 12:31pm
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Samdanny576 wrote:
The man has done more for USA Motocross thsn almost anyone.
Why would we not want him to manage the team?
prozach wrote:
Coaches are expected to get the most out of their teams. He has failed to do that for a few years now.
He's taken teams not expect to win and won. We have the most wins out of any country I do believe and one of the longest winning streaks of any country.
What more would you like?
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prozach 9/28/2014 12:46pm
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Samdanny576 wrote:
The man has done more for USA Motocross thsn almost anyone.
Why would we not want him to manage the team?
prozach wrote:
Coaches are expected to get the most out of their teams. He has failed to do that for a few years now.
Samdanny576 wrote:
He's taken teams not expect to win and won. We have the most wins out of any country I do believe and one of the longest...
He's taken teams not expect to win and won. We have the most wins out of any country I do believe and one of the longest winning streaks of any country.
What more would you like?
Just look at all sports. Sometimes you have to look beyond the past and reevaluate the present and make a change. France rode great. All their riders over performed. Pretty much every usa guy has underperformed for a few years. Maybe we need a new less conservative leadership model. The rest of the world is faster than ever and our tried and true 90% ride safe and for the team model is no longer getting the job done.
Samdanny576 9/28/2014 12:50pm
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prozach wrote:
Coaches are expected to get the most out of their teams. He has failed to do that for a few years now.
Samdanny576 wrote:
He's taken teams not expect to win and won. We have the most wins out of any country I do believe and one of the longest...
He's taken teams not expect to win and won. We have the most wins out of any country I do believe and one of the longest winning streaks of any country.
What more would you like?
prozach wrote:
Just look at all sports. Sometimes you have to look beyond the past and reevaluate the present and make a change. France rode great. All their...
Just look at all sports. Sometimes you have to look beyond the past and reevaluate the present and make a change. France rode great. All their riders over performed. Pretty much every usa guy has underperformed for a few years. Maybe we need a new less conservative leadership model. The rest of the world is faster than ever and our tried and true 90% ride safe and for the team model is no longer getting the job done.
Maybe we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water.
The past couple of years have seen injuries, and strange things happen. I feel we've made the most out of the situations we've been put in. I doubt it was anyone's plan for a first turn crash and a broken foot this year.
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Samdanny576 wrote:
He's taken teams not expect to win and won. We have the most wins out of any country I do believe and one of the longest...
He's taken teams not expect to win and won. We have the most wins out of any country I do believe and one of the longest winning streaks of any country.
What more would you like?
prozach wrote:
Just look at all sports. Sometimes you have to look beyond the past and reevaluate the present and make a change. France rode great. All their...
Just look at all sports. Sometimes you have to look beyond the past and reevaluate the present and make a change. France rode great. All their riders over performed. Pretty much every usa guy has underperformed for a few years. Maybe we need a new less conservative leadership model. The rest of the world is faster than ever and our tried and true 90% ride safe and for the team model is no longer getting the job done.
Samdanny576 wrote:
Maybe we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water. The past couple of years have seen injuries, and strange things happen. I feel we've...
Maybe we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water.
The past couple of years have seen injuries, and strange things happen. I feel we've made the most out of the situations we've been put in. I doubt it was anyone's plan for a first turn crash and a broken foot this year.
your probably one of those "everyone gets a trophy" people aren't you?

I agree with Prozach, something has to change. Obviously DeCoster can't ride the bikes for them, but we have definitely underperformed for 3 years straight.
Samdanny576 9/28/2014 1:09pm
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prozach wrote:
Just look at all sports. Sometimes you have to look beyond the past and reevaluate the present and make a change. France rode great. All their...
Just look at all sports. Sometimes you have to look beyond the past and reevaluate the present and make a change. France rode great. All their riders over performed. Pretty much every usa guy has underperformed for a few years. Maybe we need a new less conservative leadership model. The rest of the world is faster than ever and our tried and true 90% ride safe and for the team model is no longer getting the job done.
Samdanny576 wrote:
Maybe we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water. The past couple of years have seen injuries, and strange things happen. I feel we've...
Maybe we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water.
The past couple of years have seen injuries, and strange things happen. I feel we've made the most out of the situations we've been put in. I doubt it was anyone's plan for a first turn crash and a broken foot this year.
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your probably one of those "everyone gets a trophy" people aren't you? I agree with Prozach, something has to change. Obviously DeCoster can't ride the bikes...
your probably one of those "everyone gets a trophy" people aren't you?

I agree with Prozach, something has to change. Obviously DeCoster can't ride the bikes for them, but we have definitely underperformed for 3 years straight.
I'm not an everybody gets a trophy guy.
I'm also not a irrational person who would say, "We didn't win so burn everything to the ground and start over."

What manager wouldn't have picked the 2nd place finishing rider in the US series and the current 250 champion?

What manager would've kept Martin from breaking his foot and made Dungey do better?

What manager would've prevented the first turn crash?

You need to take past experience/results, compare them to the current results, look at the reason for the current results and make a rational decision on if he's the best manager. Who could've prevented the top things from happening Machine and Prozach?

Do you really think DeCoster told them not to do the best they could?
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machine 9/28/2014 1:10pm
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Samdanny576 wrote:
I'm not an everybody gets a trophy guy. I'm also not a irrational person who would say, "We didn't win so burn everything to the ground...
I'm not an everybody gets a trophy guy.
I'm also not a irrational person who would say, "We didn't win so burn everything to the ground and start over."

What manager wouldn't have picked the 2nd place finishing rider in the US series and the current 250 champion?

What manager would've kept Martin from breaking his foot and made Dungey do better?

What manager would've prevented the first turn crash?

You need to take past experience/results, compare them to the current results, look at the reason for the current results and make a rational decision on if he's the best manager. Who could've prevented the top things from happening Machine and Prozach?

Do you really think DeCoster told them not to do the best they could?
I'm actually not blaming DeCoster, but something has to change.
Samdanny576 9/28/2014 1:12pm
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machine wrote:
I'm actually not blaming DeCoster, but something has to change.
What should've been different this year, and who would've made it different?
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machine 9/28/2014 1:13pm
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Samdanny576 wrote:
What should've been different this year, and who would've made it different?
see my other post..Wink

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Samdanny576 9/28/2014 1:19pm
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Samdanny576 wrote:
What should've been different this year, and who would've made it different?
machine wrote:
see my other post..Wink
I don't see you mentioning what exactly needs to change in this thread, just that something needs to change.
What and how would've it changed things?
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prozach 9/28/2014 2:24pm
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machine wrote:
I'm actually not blaming DeCoster, but something has to change.
Samdanny576 wrote:
What should've been different this year, and who would've made it different?
Tomac should have started inside moto 2. Martin wasn't likely to do any better than moto one. Give tomac the best chance at a win. Moto 3 why the hell does tomac get the inside? Dungey has proven he can't pass well at these events and in racing in general. It's not the team he chooses, it's the way he uses them the strategy he uses.
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The Rock 9/28/2014 8:53pm
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prozach wrote:
Should he be the manager? For a few years now he isn't getting the most.out of his riders. I don't mind losing. But when pretty much...
Should he be the manager? For a few years now he isn't getting the most.out of his riders. I don't mind losing. But when pretty much every rider under performs for a few years in a row it might be time for a change.
How old are the Vitards who think Team USA needs a new manager? The Man has forgotten more about our sport than these keyboard Warriors will ever know.
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41NDT 9/28/2014 9:04pm
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Listen to post race interviews by Pulpmx roger mentions quiet clearly that the Entourages have to stop. There are 2 many people who don't need to be involved giving opinions and just too many people surrounding the team
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Hanaa80 9/28/2014 9:23pm
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41NDT wrote:
Listen to post race interviews by Pulpmx roger mentions quiet clearly that the Entourages have to stop. There are 2 many people who don't need to...
Listen to post race interviews by Pulpmx roger mentions quiet clearly that the Entourages have to stop. There are 2 many people who don't need to be involved giving opinions and just too many people surrounding the team
Here's a direct link to that interview
Motor_Centre 9/28/2014 11:24pm
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Roger forgot to give his Team the KTM tips for the race : " GET A GOOD START ! "

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