Will we see Dungey on a 2 stroke?

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8/26/2012 2:33 PM

Curious to see if anyone thinks that Decoster will put Dungey on a 250sx for either the last two rounds or just the last round since he already has the title wrapped up.

I think it would be very interesting to see how he would do compared to his usual domination on the 450.

What do you guys think?

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8/26/2012 2:35 PM

I brought that up a few months ago...


I don't see it happening

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8/26/2012 2:36 PM

No chance, never happen....why do people ask these kind of questions?

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8/26/2012 2:37 PM

I think he gets paid by ktm for wins also, why risk it. He would still be super fast though but i think alessi, rattray, weimer would beat him.

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8/26/2012 2:39 PM
Edited Date/Time: 8/26/2012 2:41 PM

No. I'm pretty sure the 2012 250 SX isn't even homologated. And even if it was it wouldn't happen. I like 2 strokes too, but it's over people.

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8/26/2012 2:42 PM

GarrettL wrote:

No chance, never happen....why do people ask these kind of questions?

X2. Not a freaking chance in hell. Why doesn't the entire field ride them since Dungey has the title wrapped up and these races "don't matter."

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8/26/2012 2:51 PM

It would be interesting to see but I doubt it will happen. You go on asking these questions, there is nothing wrong with that!

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8/26/2012 3:07 PM

ATKpilot99 wrote:

No. I'm pretty sure the 2012 250 SX isn't even homologated. And even if it was it wouldn't happen. I like 2 strokes too, but it's over people.

Cairoli was to have ridden an SX250 last year but skipped the last GP when his mother passed away, Roczen did ride the 125 though. Don't you guys think they were on win bonuses from KTM too?

I'd get a kick seeing Dungey race a smoker but as you say, homologtion rules stateside obvously stand in the way.

Guess there are different factors involved, there are high profile 2 stroke championships in europe and sales of new smokers seem to be on the rise again for clubmen over here, so i guess it was fun for Stefan and Pit to send those two out last year on 2 strokes at the final round whilst having a unique oppurtunity to market their 2 strokes.

As aside to homologation issues, doesn't seem much incentive in the states for DeCoster to follow suit?

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8/26/2012 3:09 PM

ATKpilot99 wrote:

No. I'm pretty sure the 2012 250 SX isn't even homologated. And even if it was it wouldn't happen. I like 2 strokes too, but it's over people.

Ewan wrote:

Cairoli was to have ridden an SX250 last year but skipped the last GP when his mother passed away, Roczen did ride the 125 though. Don't you guys think they were on win bonuses from KTM too?

I'd get a kick seeing Dungey race a smoker but as you say, homologtion rules stateside obvously stand in the way.

Guess there are different factors involved, there are high profile 2 stroke championships in europe and sales of new smokers seem to be on the rise again for clubmen over here, so i guess it was fun for Stefan and Pit to send those two out last year on 2 strokes at the final round whilst having a unique oppurtunity to market their 2 strokes.

As aside to homologation issues, doesn't seem much incentive in the states for DeCoster to follow suit?

Willard rode high point on a ktm 250sx. I do not not think he qualified?

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8/26/2012 3:12 PM

ATKpilot99 wrote:

No. I'm pretty sure the 2012 250 SX isn't even homologated. And even if it was it wouldn't happen. I like 2 strokes too, but it's over people.

Ewan wrote:

Cairoli was to have ridden an SX250 last year but skipped the last GP when his mother passed away, Roczen did ride the 125 though. Don't you guys think they were on win bonuses from KTM too?

I'd get a kick seeing Dungey race a smoker but as you say, homologtion rules stateside obvously stand in the way.

Guess there are different factors involved, there are high profile 2 stroke championships in europe and sales of new smokers seem to be on the rise again for clubmen over here, so i guess it was fun for Stefan and Pit to send those two out last year on 2 strokes at the final round whilst having a unique oppurtunity to market their 2 strokes.

As aside to homologation issues, doesn't seem much incentive in the states for DeCoster to follow suit?

mxb2 wrote:

Willard rode high point on a ktm 250sx. I do not not think he qualified?

Doesn't mean it was legal, just means nobody said anything. Small difference between Willard and Dungey.

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8/26/2012 3:12 PM

Make no mistake, I would love to see it and I think RD would do better than most people think. He just seems to serious a racer to throw a couple wins away. Especially moving up the all-time wins list, like he is

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8/26/2012 3:15 PM

ATKpilot99 wrote:

No. I'm pretty sure the 2012 250 SX isn't even homologated. And even if it was it wouldn't happen. I like 2 strokes too, but it's over people.

Ewan wrote:

Cairoli was to have ridden an SX250 last year but skipped the last GP when his mother passed away, Roczen did ride the 125 though. Don't you guys think they were on win bonuses from KTM too?

I'd get a kick seeing Dungey race a smoker but as you say, homologtion rules stateside obvously stand in the way.

Guess there are different factors involved, there are high profile 2 stroke championships in europe and sales of new smokers seem to be on the rise again for clubmen over here, so i guess it was fun for Stefan and Pit to send those two out last year on 2 strokes at the final round whilst having a unique oppurtunity to market their 2 strokes.

As aside to homologation issues, doesn't seem much incentive in the states for DeCoster to follow suit?

You are correct there is no incentive here. It's one of the things I like better about the GPs. No homologation rules and it makes one off race deals like this more likely. mxb2 I think Willard did try to qualify a 2012 250 SX . Not sure how he got the bike in the program with the homolgation rules but I did see pics of him on a 250 SX with linkage which would be a 12 or 13 model.

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8/26/2012 3:15 PM

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8/26/2012 3:17 PM

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8/26/2012 3:20 PM

ATKpilot99 wrote:

No. I'm pretty sure the 2012 250 SX isn't even homologated. And even if it was it wouldn't happen. I like 2 strokes too, but it's over people.

Doesn't a manufacturer only have to sell 50 bikes to achieve homo-logation? Or maybe it's 100? Surely KTM has sold a hundred 2012 250 SX's this year?

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8/26/2012 3:25 PM

does he even know how to ride a 2 stroke? he's probably too young

Reedy or James would need to show him how

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8/26/2012 3:33 PM

ATKpilot99 wrote:

No. I'm pretty sure the 2012 250 SX isn't even homologated. And even if it was it wouldn't happen. I like 2 strokes too, but it's over people.

Reese95w wrote:

Doesn't a manufacturer only have to sell 50 bikes to achieve homo-logation? Or maybe it's 100? Surely KTM has sold a hundred 2012 250 SX's this year?

I thought it was import (and have available) 200 or 400 by a certain date in the year (in June)?

Remember the KTM vid w/ Roger and it showed him working on the Dungey 450's trying to get that # of bikes ready. That was a really cool vid...ill try and find it, showed Rog in the machine shop. and a shelf with motors lined up on it.

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8/26/2012 3:33 PM

there was footage of him riding an SX 125 at a dealer day floating about earlier this year

he would be fine on the 250

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8/26/2012 3:35 PM

Ewan wrote:

Cairoli was to have ridden an SX250 last year but skipped the last GP when his mother passed away, Roczen did ride the 125 though. Don't you guys think they were on win bonuses from KTM too?

I'd get a kick seeing Dungey race a smoker but as you say, homologtion rules stateside obvously stand in the way.

Guess there are different factors involved, there are high profile 2 stroke championships in europe and sales of new smokers seem to be on the rise again for clubmen over here, so i guess it was fun for Stefan and Pit to send those two out last year on 2 strokes at the final round whilst having a unique oppurtunity to market their 2 strokes.

As aside to homologation issues, doesn't seem much incentive in the states for DeCoster to follow suit?

mxb2 wrote:

Willard rode high point on a ktm 250sx. I do not not think he qualified?

Switch wrote:

Doesn't mean it was legal, just means nobody said anything. Small difference between Willard and Dungey.

Trust me, if willard was a top 10 rider i am pretty sure it would have been an issue LOL!, and it was a 12 model i was at the pits parked by him.

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8/26/2012 3:36 PM

...and back on the topic of Dunge riding one....no.

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8/26/2012 3:39 PM

ATKpilot99 wrote:

No. I'm pretty sure the 2012 250 SX isn't even homologated. And even if it was it wouldn't happen. I like 2 strokes too, but it's over people.

Ewan wrote:

Cairoli was to have ridden an SX250 last year but skipped the last GP when his mother passed away, Roczen did ride the 125 though. Don't you guys think they were on win bonuses from KTM too?

I'd get a kick seeing Dungey race a smoker but as you say, homologtion rules stateside obvously stand in the way.

Guess there are different factors involved, there are high profile 2 stroke championships in europe and sales of new smokers seem to be on the rise again for clubmen over here, so i guess it was fun for Stefan and Pit to send those two out last year on 2 strokes at the final round whilst having a unique oppurtunity to market their 2 strokes.

As aside to homologation issues, doesn't seem much incentive in the states for DeCoster to follow suit?

I read somewhere that the 2011 250 sx is homologated, so i would figure KTM had the 2012 one homologated also?

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8/26/2012 3:39 PM

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...and back on the topic of Dunge riding one....no.

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8/26/2012 3:39 PM

ocscottie wrote:

I thought it was import (and have available) 200 or 400 by a certain date in the year (in June)?

Remember the KTM vid w/ Roger and it showed him working on the Dungey 450's trying to get that # of bikes ready. That was a really cool vid...ill try and find it, showed Rog in the machine shop. and a shelf with motors lined up on it.

Well shit! Then the 2012 KTM 250SX probably is not homo-gated, oh well. Hey, bring back the freaking works bikes I say! But that's another thread isn't it.

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8/26/2012 3:48 PM

Reese95w wrote:

Well shit! Then the 2012 KTM 250SX probably is not homo-gated, oh well. Hey, bring back the freaking works bikes I say! But that's another thread isn't it.

it is homo'd, as said above, Willard raced one.

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8/26/2012 3:52 PM

ocscottie wrote:

I thought it was import (and have available) 200 or 400 by a certain date in the year (in June)?

Remember the KTM vid w/ Roger and it showed him working on the Dungey 450's trying to get that # of bikes ready. That was a really cool vid...ill try and find it, showed Rog in the machine shop. and a shelf with motors lined up on it.

Reese95w wrote:

Well shit! Then the 2012 KTM 250SX probably is not homo-gated, oh well. Hey, bring back the freaking works bikes I say! But that's another thread isn't it.

ocscottie wrote:

it is homo'd, as said above, Willard raced one.

scottie , ck your inbox.

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8/26/2012 3:59 PM

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does he even know how to ride a 2 stroke? he's probably too young

Reedy or James would need to show him how

I owned his RM125 that he won LL Stock class on. I already tried to buy it back from the kid I sold it to, but he completely destroyed it. Sad, and I was stupid for ever letting it out of my garage.

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8/26/2012 4:04 PM

ocscottie wrote:

I thought it was import (and have available) 200 or 400 by a certain date in the year (in June)?

Remember the KTM vid w/ Roger and it showed him working on the Dungey 450's trying to get that # of bikes ready. That was a really cool vid...ill try and find it, showed Rog in the machine shop. and a shelf with motors lined up on it.

Reese95w wrote:

Well shit! Then the 2012 KTM 250SX probably is not homo-gated, oh well. Hey, bring back the freaking works bikes I say! But that's another thread isn't it.

ocscottie wrote:

it is homo'd, as said above, Willard raced one.

No it's not,he just didn't get caught or claimed it was an '11, KTM didn't submit the paperwork for it this year. It wouldnt matter
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8/26/2012 4:05 PM

To be holomogated an application for holomogation has to be filed along with the application fee, not just sell 400 bikes. KTM could sell 10,000 250SXs but if they dont submit the application it doesnt get homologated. If Willard rode one it was holologated, you dont get an AMA tech sticker for a non-homologated bike.

I'd like to see Dungey ride one, but it will never happen.

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8/26/2012 4:08 PM

GarrettL wrote:

No chance, never happen....why do people ask these kind of questions?

Thats what I was wondering. Do people think that Ryan (or any top guy) could just swing a leg over a completely different machine, and be competitive? And how would this benefit KTM? If he got beat, which he almost certainly would, people would say the bikes no good, or he's no good. Could you please lay out your thinking on why Ryan on a 250 2stroke would be a good idea for the last two rounds?