Where would reedy be without the black flag.

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Seventh in points now seems to me he'd easily be top 5 and could still be in the title hunt.. 0 points really hurt him. Oh well go reedy and make a statement and screw you gallager
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agn5009 2/22/2015 7:18am
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He would be in the top 5. But realistically he wouldn't be in the title hunt. Even if reed would have got 1st place at the event he was black flagged (which he wouldn't have) he'd still be behind by roughly 40 points. Mathematically, yes still in the hunt. Realistically, no he wouldn't be.
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He'd be a few grand richer although still WAY behind in points. Reed is an excellent rider/racer but don't think he's got the head on his shoulders RD does. Can you see RD pulling that kind of crap Reed did to Canard? I can't.
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logan_140 2/22/2015 7:22am
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agn5009 wrote:
He would be in the top 5. But realistically he wouldn't be in the title hunt. Even if reed would have got 1st place at the...
He would be in the top 5. But realistically he wouldn't be in the title hunt. Even if reed would have got 1st place at the event he was black flagged (which he wouldn't have) he'd still be behind by roughly 40 points. Mathematically, yes still in the hunt. Realistically, no he wouldn't be.
Never know. Dungey could have a bad night. Roczen has had 2 bad nights. And tomac always crashes. He got screwed.

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agn5009 2/22/2015 7:31am
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He would be in the top 5. But realistically he wouldn't be in the title hunt. Even if reed would have got 1st place at the...
He would be in the top 5. But realistically he wouldn't be in the title hunt. Even if reed would have got 1st place at the event he was black flagged (which he wouldn't have) he'd still be behind by roughly 40 points. Mathematically, yes still in the hunt. Realistically, no he wouldn't be.
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Never know. Dungey could have a bad night. Roczen has had 2 bad nights. And tomac always crashes. He got screwed.
Like I said, mathematically it's possible. Realistically, no. He would need to beat 4 other riders on a weekly basis and have dungey miss a few rounds. Reed dug himself into a hole at the beginning of the series. He can say he couldn't get his bike dialed in or whatever the excuse may be. Fact is, the other guys (RD, KR, ET & TC) Came prepared and dialed from the beginning. I like reed, and hope he can snag a few more wins this year but his championship hopes are very, very slim.
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Gabriel J 2/22/2015 7:32am
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I had that same thought at the end of the race...4th. And still realistically out of the race for the championship (at this point in the season).

No reason to play the "what if" game until the season wraps up, if at all. Let's say everything is turned upside down in the remaining rounds and Reed finished 2nd in points, 10 behind Dungey (just using his name because he's the current leader). Then the black flag would seem more pivotal. Until that happens, it's more a matter of the precedent that was set by the whole black flag incident.

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Gabriel J 2/22/2015 7:35am
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And one more thing. He may be out of championship contention, but it remains impressive that 32yo Reed is winning races with the stacked field that is racing today. Yes, JS and RV are not there, but he had beaten both of them last year.
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The top 4 have a small points lead on everyone else. I think he would be in there somewhere

Its a shame because Chad always does well on the east coast
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agn5009 2/22/2015 7:50am
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And one more thing. He may be out of championship contention, but it remains impressive that 32yo Reed is winning races with the stacked field that...
And one more thing. He may be out of championship contention, but it remains impressive that 32yo Reed is winning races with the stacked field that is racing today. Yes, JS and RV are not there, but he had beaten both of them last year.
Absolutely. It's very impressive. And it's even more impressive that he's able to do this while building a successful race team. I hope once reed is done he can build a championship winning team.
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Seventh in points now seems to me he'd easily be top 5 and could still be in the title hunt.. 0 points really hurt him. Oh...
Seventh in points now seems to me he'd easily be top 5 and could still be in the title hunt.. 0 points really hurt him. Oh well go reedy and make a statement and screw you gallager
Put yourself in the spot of having to make a decision on the penalty. What would it have been?
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logan_140 2/22/2015 7:54am
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Seventh in points now seems to me he'd easily be top 5 and could still be in the title hunt.. 0 points really hurt him. Oh...
Seventh in points now seems to me he'd easily be top 5 and could still be in the title hunt.. 0 points really hurt him. Oh well go reedy and make a statement and screw you gallager
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Put yourself in the spot of having to make a decision on the penalty. What would it have been?
Dock a few positions not black flag..
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logan_140 wrote:
Seventh in points now seems to me he'd easily be top 5 and could still be in the title hunt.. 0 points really hurt him. Oh...
Seventh in points now seems to me he'd easily be top 5 and could still be in the title hunt.. 0 points really hurt him. Oh well go reedy and make a statement and screw you gallager
Still being in the championship hunt it a bit of a stretch. Not like he was going to win or even podium the night of the incident. I'd say at best he would be 4th in points, but still pretty far back championship wise.
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logan_140 wrote:
Seventh in points now seems to me he'd easily be top 5 and could still be in the title hunt.. 0 points really hurt him. Oh...
Seventh in points now seems to me he'd easily be top 5 and could still be in the title hunt.. 0 points really hurt him. Oh well go reedy and make a statement and screw you gallager
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Put yourself in the spot of having to make a decision on the penalty. What would it have been?
I think the correct answer consensus now is that the penalty could have been anything (even a disqualification) but wait...until after the race. Don't do it with a black flag. Once you lose the ability to appeal a call you change the game.
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logan_140 2/22/2015 7:57am
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logan_140 wrote:
Seventh in points now seems to me he'd easily be top 5 and could still be in the title hunt.. 0 points really hurt him. Oh...
Seventh in points now seems to me he'd easily be top 5 and could still be in the title hunt.. 0 points really hurt him. Oh well go reedy and make a statement and screw you gallager
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Still being in the championship hunt it a bit of a stretch. Not like he was going to win or even podium the night of the...
Still being in the championship hunt it a bit of a stretch. Not like he was going to win or even podium the night of the incident. I'd say at best he would be 4th in points, but still pretty far back championship wise.
Like I said though anything could happen. Roczen has crashed 2 times now. Tomac crashes just about every race. Dungey probably had this but I think reed could be battling for the top 4
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logan_140 2/22/2015 7:58am
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logan_140 wrote:
Seventh in points now seems to me he'd easily be top 5 and could still be in the title hunt.. 0 points really hurt him. Oh...
Seventh in points now seems to me he'd easily be top 5 and could still be in the title hunt.. 0 points really hurt him. Oh well go reedy and make a statement and screw you gallager
GuyB wrote:
Put yourself in the spot of having to make a decision on the penalty. What would it have been?
moto0852 wrote:
I think the correct answer consensus now is that the penalty could have been anything (even a disqualification) but wait...until after the race. Don't do it...
I think the correct answer consensus now is that the penalty could have been anything (even a disqualification) but wait...until after the race. Don't do it with a black flag. Once you lose the ability to appeal a call you change the game.
Agree they didn't even review the call.
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disbanded 2/22/2015 8:13am
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Chad brought this upon himself by making a bullshit move
One Last Comeback 2/22/2015 8:17am
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He has said multiple times that he still has lawyers working on the black flag thing. I have no idea what outcome he is seeking.
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GD2 2/22/2015 8:17am
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logan_140 wrote:
Seventh in points now seems to me he'd easily be top 5 and could still be in the title hunt.. 0 points really hurt him. Oh...
Seventh in points now seems to me he'd easily be top 5 and could still be in the title hunt.. 0 points really hurt him. Oh well go reedy and make a statement and screw you gallager
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Still being in the championship hunt it a bit of a stretch. Not like he was going to win or even podium the night of the...
Still being in the championship hunt it a bit of a stretch. Not like he was going to win or even podium the night of the incident. I'd say at best he would be 4th in points, but still pretty far back championship wise.
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Like I said though anything could happen. Roczen has crashed 2 times now. Tomac crashes just about every race. Dungey probably had this but I think...
Like I said though anything could happen. Roczen has crashed 2 times now. Tomac crashes just about every race. Dungey probably had this but I think reed could be battling for the top 4
Anything can happen goes both ways. He could have not been black flagged but then had a huge crash etc. There's really no point to dwelling on it. He made a bad decision and paid a huge price for it. Oh well.


Roczen hasn't made a ton of mistakes but when he has they've been huge. Tomac is just making tons of small mistakes that are hurting him equally as much if not more.

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GD2 2/22/2015 8:18am
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He has said multiple times that he still has lawyers working on the black flag thing. I have no idea what outcome he is seeking.
Ehhh, I bet nothing will really come out of it. They can't really do anything except get the rule changed lol.
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Hut 2/22/2015 8:21am
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One Last Comeback wrote:
He has said multiple times that he still has lawyers working on the black flag thing. I have no idea what outcome he is seeking.
That is pretty much the moment I quit caring
neverwasfastenuf 2/22/2015 8:26am
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logan_140 wrote:
Seventh in points now seems to me he'd easily be top 5 and could still be in the title hunt.. 0 points really hurt him. Oh...
Seventh in points now seems to me he'd easily be top 5 and could still be in the title hunt.. 0 points really hurt him. Oh well go reedy and make a statement and screw you gallager
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Put yourself in the spot of having to make a decision on the penalty. What would it have been?
The black flag was the correct call. I bet Canard wishes he had the extra points he would have earned that night when Reed went full on nutsy and deliberately took him out.
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Bultaco 2/22/2015 8:28am
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Can't believe this subject is still a topic. But I'll contribute. After watching a video some posted here with Travis Pastrana racing SX in Australia with a much younger Reed, and seeing how much Reed went after Pastrana, I think Reed is just a bully. Used to kind of like the guy based on seeing him in the GPs.

As for Guy's question....I'd black flag Reed also.

Go watch Bailey/Johnson Anaheim 86 for a way to race. "I'll run over your feet and bang into you, trying to beat you....but I won't take you out".
neverwasfastenuf 2/22/2015 8:28am
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Chad brought this upon himself by making a bullshit move
Sure enough. Doesn't matter who did it, it should get the black flag every time.
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Dezerted 2/22/2015 8:37am
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Chad put himself in a position to be black flagged.. His attitude cost him points not any official
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logan_140 wrote:
Seventh in points now seems to me he'd easily be top 5 and could still be in the title hunt.. 0 points really hurt him. Oh...
Seventh in points now seems to me he'd easily be top 5 and could still be in the title hunt.. 0 points really hurt him. Oh well go reedy and make a statement and screw you gallager
GuyB wrote:
Put yourself in the spot of having to make a decision on the penalty. What would it have been?
logan_140 wrote:
Dock a few positions not black flag..
What's the difference between the black flag and getting a DQ at the end of the race?......which would of been totally justified btw. That was a shit bag move that had nothing to do with the racing going on after the CR/TC wreck seconds before.....it was just a blatant take out move.
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lostboy819 2/22/2015 8:40am
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logan_140 wrote:
Seventh in points now seems to me he'd easily be top 5 and could still be in the title hunt.. 0 points really hurt him. Oh...
Seventh in points now seems to me he'd easily be top 5 and could still be in the title hunt.. 0 points really hurt him. Oh well go reedy and make a statement and screw you gallager
GuyB wrote:
Put yourself in the spot of having to make a decision on the penalty. What would it have been?
The black flag is something you cant take back if you made the wrong decision. Run the race and then take the time to come up with a penalty. I think Gallager screwed up and made a emotional decision and it would be different if it was applied to everyone the same way but its not. I don't care for Reed but I think he got screwed and then Gallager didn't even have the balls to go on TV to explain his case,he had one of his minions do it . I also think they HAVE been doing a good job with the red flags so its much better than how the AMA officials did things back in the 70s and 80s when they made it up as they went and had different rules for different riders and teams so things are much more professional now but they still have work to do.
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wardy 2/22/2015 8:54am
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I give both riders Reed and Canard props for letting go of the issue and acting like adults. Listening to Trey's podium speech and congradulating Chad on his win. Stand up guys both them.

The black flag issue is as much a lesson for Chad as it was for ALL the riders out there. This has to be done from time to time to keep control of the process and try to keep riders safe. What happens if this wasn't done? the next time someone does it off the face of a triple?

oh the lawyers or appealing this seems foolish. but that is the business end of it.


Sir Roostsalot 2/22/2015 8:57am
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The black flag was the right call as long as the follow the same precedence in ALL future cases, if not then CR gets the shaft and totally hosed.
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Dezerted 2/22/2015 8:58am
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How about "where would Canard be if Reed wasn't such a baby?"

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