Where does Roczen go??

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2/11/2016 10:30am Edited Date/Time 5/3/2016 8:04am
OK seems like honeymoon is over at RCH and Kroc moves on.............why would he even consider going back to KTM when he left KTM supposedly due to not wanting to fight with Dungey for #1 rider???

Or was it that he really didn't like the bike and thought Suzuki be better??

Guess we'll see if Honda/HRC really wants to be back in the game or if Kawasaki comes up with more cash for him???

Gonna be really interesting 2017 for sure WinkWink
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2/11/2016 10:33am
Honda, he switches rides with Canard..
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2/11/2016 10:34am
He left because of the bike. I'm guessing that HRC will go all in on Roczen!
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2/11/2016 10:35am
Motofinne wrote:
He left because of the bike. I'm guessing that HRC will go all in on Roczen!
And the bike appears to be significantly better.
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2/11/2016 10:39am
Big Lenny wrote:
Honda, he switches rides with Canard..
Canard at RCH? never

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2/11/2016 10:40am Edited Date/Time 2/11/2016 10:41am
IWreckALot wrote:
And the bike appears to be significantly better.
Well according to the rumors De Coster didn't allow Roczen to ride the new bike when Roczen was on KTM because the RCH deal was done/going to be done.

And the 2015FE/2016 bike is way better than the normal 2015 that Roczen rode to the outdoor championship.

I still think Roczen fucked up. Yeah he won a race now but lets be honest. Dungey is better than Roczen at the moment. I can accept that he parted ways with Aldon(stupid but understandable) but to jump the KTM ship to the unproven RCH(non factory) team with an relatively old Suzuki(comparing to the new KTM that Kenny knew was in the pipeline).

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2/11/2016 10:42am
When is dungeys contract over? If Kenny is only the #2 rider for a year then the #1 for a year or two maybe?
2/11/2016 10:45am Edited Date/Time 2/11/2016 10:48am
He left because no matter what KTM did with the forks, he wasn't happy. More than likely because he made up his mind that he wouldn't like them. Exactly what happened with Jim Stew at JGR.

He will go to whomever offers him the most money. Why?

"I'm going to be a badass regardless of what bike I am on."

-Ken Roczen

I think this years silly season will be largely dependent on whether or not Suzuki and Honda release new bikes this coming year. I also think that Suzuki is going to restructure. Either RCH or Yosh will fold, or more likely, they'll roll into one team with Phil Collins, and someone else. I just don't see Suzuki continuing forward with their resource spread out the way they are. It makes no sense, especially given how much the Yosh rig has been parked in Chino on Saturdays the past couple seasons.
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2/11/2016 10:45am Edited Date/Time 2/11/2016 10:46am
I don't know man, the new KTM is much better than the one Roczen last rode, He didn't burn bridges over there, Pit Beirer is German, Stefan is gone, easy Red Bull transition, Having lived in Germany for a couple of years myself, I would guess that Heiko prefers his kid ride a Euro brand versus Japanese. Then there is Honda's "uniqueness" to consider. Would Roczen even feel comfortable enough on it to take the gamble?

On the other hand...

How many 450 dudes would KTM field in 2017? Dungey's good for another year. Musquin has a multi year deal. Poor Wilson is probably done at KTM but if Roczen joined that'd still be three 450 riders under the tent. Would KTM do it? What about the rumored clause in Dungey's contract as him being the "main guy" over there?

Tough call. Going to be a good silly season this fall.
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2/11/2016 10:46am
slowgti wrote:
When is dungeys contract over? If Kenny is only the #2 rider for a year then the #1 for a year or two maybe?
This!!!!

Word is that Ryan was promised to be "the guy" as long as he wanted to race. If he plans to walk away after next year I could see him being fine with Kenny coming back. Now if Ryan wants to race into 2018 or so, I could see him nixing Kenny coming over.
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2/11/2016 10:47am
slowgti wrote:
When is dungeys contract over? If Kenny is only the #2 rider for a year then the #1 for a year or two maybe?
I don't see KTM and Dungey splitting up, ever.
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2/11/2016 10:48am
You think KTM/Roger are just going to take Roczen back with open arms? I still think that Roczen to Honda is more likely.
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2/11/2016 10:50am
Motofinne wrote:
You think KTM/Roger are just going to take Roczen back with open arms? I still think that Roczen to Honda is more likely.
I think KTM and Roger are more interested in winning than they are in holding grudges.
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2/11/2016 10:51am Edited Date/Time 2/11/2016 10:52am
Motofinne wrote:
You think KTM/Roger are just going to take Roczen back with open arms? I still think that Roczen to Honda is more likely.
hartebreak wrote:
I think KTM and Roger are more interested in winning than they are in holding grudges.
And they will keep doing that with Ryan Dungey as the number 1 guy.

Im not saying that it would be impossible. I just think that Roczen to KTM wouldn't be that easy.
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2/11/2016 10:53am
I really do think Kenny going back to ktm depends on what the #5 wants to do. Kenny seems like he has matured a lot in the past year. If this season doesn't turn out any batter than last year, Kenny and The Man under the same tent again could be very interesting.
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2/11/2016 10:53am
What about joining Ando over at Husky? With KTM money behind them I could see it, although the Rockstar/Red Bull deal might not work out, and I can't see Husky dropping Rockstar since they're partnered in GPs as well.

Who knows, if Reedy hangs it up (doubtful) or JGR ponies up he could go blue next year. Same deal though with Factory Yami having Monster Support.
2/11/2016 10:54am
I don't know how Ken was 2nd fiddle to Dungey when he beat him for the championship and was 19 points behind him at the end of the SX series. Maybe, just maybe Rodger was the one that had an issue with the 2nd rider beating his golden boy. Pure speculation on that one.
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2/11/2016 10:54am
tough crowd

are there any other sports that throw you under the bus 5 days after a solid win?
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2/11/2016 10:56am
slowgti wrote:
When is dungeys contract over? If Kenny is only the #2 rider for a year then the #1 for a year or two maybe?
I don't see KTM and Dungey splitting up, ever.
I don't either, I think Ryan would be just as happy driving around the country in an rv with his wife as he would be racing in 2018.
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2/11/2016 11:14am
Where is Papa Roczen currently? Still in Germany? Or back in the paddock with Kenny? One thing Decoster will NOT deal with is rogue parents. But if Roczen's dad stays out of the team's way, I can't see Decoster having a problem with it. And I think Kenny should go back to KTM. Has he ever ridden for a Honda team?
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2/11/2016 11:16am
Big Lenny wrote:
Honda, he switches rides with Canard..
crusty_xx wrote:
Canard at RCH? never
Trey ,replacing wilbur at kawy?
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2/11/2016 11:19am
Talk of Ryan dungy retirement makes me feel old .
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2/11/2016 11:24am
peelout wrote:
tough crowd

are there any other sports that throw you under the bus 5 days after a solid win?
No. In this sport it really is like how Ricky Bobby put it, "if you're not first you're last"
2/11/2016 11:24am
Big Lenny wrote:
Honda, he switches rides with Canard..
crusty_xx wrote:
Canard at RCH? never
mxb2 wrote:
Trey ,replacing wilbur at kawy?
Trey goes nowhere and retires on red. Seeley will be the guy shopping for a ride, and probably getting great offers.
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2/11/2016 11:25am
peelout wrote:
tough crowd

are there any other sports that throw you under the bus 5 days after a solid win?
Yep, FOOTBALL! Look at the crap Manning has taken after they won the Superbowl...
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2/11/2016 11:25am
IWreckALot wrote:
Where is Papa Roczen currently? Still in Germany? Or back in the paddock with Kenny? One thing Decoster will NOT deal with is rogue parents. But...
Where is Papa Roczen currently? Still in Germany? Or back in the paddock with Kenny? One thing Decoster will NOT deal with is rogue parents. But if Roczen's dad stays out of the team's way, I can't see Decoster having a problem with it. And I think Kenny should go back to KTM. Has he ever ridden for a Honda team?
Doubt it. I was at the world junior championship in Finland 2006 and he was on Suzuki back then and stayed on it all the way until he switched to KTM. I think he was signed by Suzuki even a couple of years before that?
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2/11/2016 11:36am
I dont see how some ppl think he woukd go to kawi or husky. Roczen will not leave red bull so that limits his choices. And i thought he had sogned a 7 year personal deal with red bull last year anyways. Honda doesnt have a energy drink sponser so that seems logical. Or going back with ktm although id bet he goes to honda and is the number one guy over there.
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2/11/2016 11:37am
peelout wrote:
tough crowd

are there any other sports that throw you under the bus 5 days after a solid win?
I was thinking the same thing.
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2/11/2016 11:37am
best bet for Roczen is to go to HRC honda for a few reasons.

Canard my be out of there after this year. not that he's done bad but hes been with honda since 08 and they need someone who isnt always broken.

Roczen is used to working with premium high end teams; ie KTM euro, KTM USA and he had a bunch of issues last year and it sounds like even some this year too.

He could go back to KTM as he is on good terms but he left for a reason and he might not want to "work" with competition.

MAYBE factory Yamaha with Reed and Webb since Reed is SX only but the team is only just getting back on their feet.

honestly i dont think many people ever have had much issues riding for Factory honda (not unlike riding for pro circuit)

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