What's the definition of A Works part?

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Edited Date/Time 3/17/2015 3:38pm
Does anyone have a good definition for Works parts? i always thought Works parts had to come from a Factory, but i recently read a definition that states Works parts are one-off usually hand made…if that is the case then anyone who makes a part that fits this description has made a Works part. The only distinction I come up with is that for parts made by a Factory would be Factory Works parts and all other (one off parts made by an individual) would simply be Works parts…would love to get some other insight...
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3/15/2015 9:31pm Edited Date/Time 3/15/2015 9:34pm
If Mike Genova/JGR etc wanted to pay a machinist to make a new frame to his spec that's wold be a 'works' part, and would be illegal. The factory were the ones that typically did this the past but anyone with the resources could technically do it. JGR remakes gas tanks that are smaller, and ktm suspension pistons were hand made custom type parts.... so in don't know where the line is for hand made 1 off parts. It seems like if the frame and swingarm remain oem then the rest is fair game in pro racing. I made a rear holeshot device so I guess according to you I've made a works part!
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3/16/2015 2:05am
Here in Australia a works part is something you may only bolt onto a 4 stroke. Wink
3/16/2015 2:13am Edited Date/Time 3/16/2015 2:14am
If we could get some literature to interpret regarding this issue then keyboardwarrior will be able to answer your question perfectly. And continue to answer the question against all others interpretations until said thread is dumbgeonized
3/16/2015 6:30am
I believe the true definition of a works part means that it comes from within a factory R&D department, race shop or engineering staff. It is low volume, possibly hand made, and is used only by employees of said factory. It is kept a secret and hidden from the public. It is the basis for future production parts and represents the cutting edge of technology.

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3/16/2015 6:39am
Werkz is the German word for "custom" which got American-ized into "Works". The end.
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3/16/2015 6:50am
One that is opposite of "dont works" ,what'd i win
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3/16/2015 6:52am
Whoa,just saw the name, Mike p.

Mike patrick?
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3/16/2015 6:55am Edited Date/Time 3/16/2015 6:56am
That's right, brother... OHHHHH YEAHHHHHHHHH!!!!


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"Works" bikes were/are bikes that are custom made for racing, with little or no resemblance or commonality with production machines. Historically they were produced by the factories purely for high level racing, and were not available for sale.

If I had to have a go at a short description, in descending order of exclusivity/customisation:

Works - most or all parts are fully custom, often one-off, made by "racing" divisions of the factories. Very few rules apply to "works" bikes. Often used experimental parts/systems. Not seen much these days but most common in the GP's where there is no production rule.

Factory - a production bike that is modified by racing divisions of the factories to the fullest extent that the rules allow. Has a lot of production parts but also has some one-off, special or custom parts. Mostly what is seen in US racing these days.
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3/16/2015 7:03am
As an example, in the early 2000's while everyone else was racing steel framed YZF400/426/450's, Stefan Everts' works Yamaha was a YZF500 that had a fully hand made, three piece aluminium frame.
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3/16/2015 7:03am Edited Date/Time 3/16/2015 7:04am
Werkz is the German word for "custom" which got American-ized into "Works". The end.
Not exactly, but it goes that direction.

"Werk" in german means "factory". "Werks" stuff really means nothing different than "factory produced" stuff.
So, if you want to translate it, a "Werks"-part is more like a factory part, and a "Werks"-bike is a factory bike.
And we have the "Werksfahrer" which is a factory rider in englisch.

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3/16/2015 7:04am
sirroostalot,

I like a lot about your explanation, but why does the part have to come from a factory R&D to be considered a works psrt? If I made a custom part that was "one-off" then would it not be a works part...I believe it would be, just not a factory works part.
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Werkz is the German word for "custom" which got American-ized into "Works". The end.
mxmasta wrote:
Not exactly, but it goes that direction. "Werk" in german means "factory". "Werks" stuff really means nothing different than "factory produced" stuff. So, if you want...
Not exactly, but it goes that direction.

"Werk" in german means "factory". "Werks" stuff really means nothing different than "factory produced" stuff.
So, if you want to translate it, a "Werks"-part is more like a factory part, and a "Werks"-bike is a factory bike.
And we have the "Werksfahrer" which is a factory rider in englisch.

sounds more like it. i knew it was an Americanized German word.
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Mike P. wrote:
sirroostalot, I like a lot about your explanation, but why does the part have to come from a factory R&D to be considered a works psrt...
sirroostalot,

I like a lot about your explanation, but why does the part have to come from a factory R&D to be considered a works psrt? If I made a custom part that was "one-off" then would it not be a works part...I believe it would be, just not a factory works part.
Your last term is what my definition, "factory works" it comes from the manufacture that created the motorcycle or in the case of the suspension, the company that built it.

There's by no means a true correct answer here, just a personal opinion.

I will say that quite a few team members follow along with it however. Such as an interview I did with Jeremy Ablrecht from JGR where he states what parts they made in-house, and goes on to call anything they get directly from Yamaha a "works" part.

Same with an interview I did with Dan Betley, the team manager of Factory Honda.
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3/16/2015 7:22am
From when euro bikes like Maico were king, I think "Werks" was German for a factory or manufacturing facility. The factory would make one off parts for their race bikes.
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3/16/2015 8:05am
Defining a "works" part is like defining porn. To quote some Judge: " You know it when you see it." Cool
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3/16/2015 9:18am
Special Parts made by The Factory (or Teams like JGR) from Special Materials like Unobtanium or Carbonfiber.
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TeamGreen wrote:
Special Parts made by The Factory (or Teams like JGR) from Special Materials like Unobtanium or Carbonfiber.
Or a whole fuggin engine cast out of magnesium, filled with whittled out gears, hollow shafts, 2 piece laser welded crank journals and held together with nothing but titanium. If that isn't works enough, just toss on a magnesium carburetor breathing through a hand crafted fiberglass air box. Gotta have works red duct tape to seal things up.







Maybe a hand built and welded frame isn't enough so you hammer a piece of sheet around a mandrel for a square downtube and a tapered upper backbone. And leave all those beat marks in the metal so no one will be confused.



Details dammit, details. Gotta make it as light as can be.



Oh shit, we made it so light we need to put steel bars, a 4 pound steel silencer, some steel pipe hangers and custom machined steel hardware just to get her back up to the minimum weight limit.





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3/16/2015 10:12am
If your triple clamps and tank look like this, and you can see an actual attempt at a good looking weld on your frame you don't have to worry about people wondering if they are works. Those oddball serial numbers don't hurt either...



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3/16/2015 10:20am Edited Date/Time 3/16/2015 10:22am
Shocking. Not a correct works bit, but a prototype built by Lucien Tilkins. The correct reservoir is tucked away inside the front down tube of the frame. It might be considered "works".






Reservoir line seen on Hannah and Glovers 77 OW27's. Running water pump block off plates and air cooled top ends at Rio for fear of being claimed.





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Rio pics courtesy of Mike Lagaza....
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When you have the number 1 engraved on a set of magnesium matched engine cases, you might have something really special. Like the first set ever.



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3/16/2015 11:30am
I love this dialog, and the more I read it seems to me that we all have our opinion of what makes a part "Works". However, the one common denominator in just about everyone's posts are the words factory. That said, I am inclined to believe that there are factory "Works" parts and just "Works" parts that a person with enough talent can make and what makes them "Works" parts is that they are one-off and not produced by a factory nor sold to the public (just like factory "Works" parts)...I can't wait to get responses to his post...
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3/16/2015 11:53am
My god...... I think I miss the off season
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3/16/2015 12:03pm
When The Man comes out of his factory team tent and says "hey, let me take a peek"....you might have a works bike.

Or when Keith McCarty makes a beeline for the serial number....Whistling


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tydog wrote:
My god...... I think I miss the off season
Should get out of your basement more often. Fuggin mad scientist with your works stealth exhaust. Got wings yet???
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3/16/2015 12:29pm
I had a works hamburger once
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newmann wrote:
When The Man comes out of his factory team tent and says "hey, let me take a peek"....you might have a works bike. Or when Keith...
When The Man comes out of his factory team tent and says "hey, let me take a peek"....you might have a works bike.

Or when Keith McCarty makes a beeline for the serial number....Whistling


Notice the Silencer?
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3/16/2015 2:05pm Edited Date/Time 3/17/2015 2:06pm
Something like a rear axle that has a larger diameter at the sprocket end...



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