What's really wrong with Windham?

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Void Main 2/23/2010 2:31pm
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DrSweden wrote:
After watching Indy I got amazed by Kevins riding skills. How he managed the jumps, how the bike moved and his interaction with the machine made...
After watching Indy I got amazed by Kevins riding skills. How he managed the jumps, how the bike moved and his interaction with the machine made me a dazed. I know many people have said that few are as skilled as this guy, and partly I agree. I had the fortune to watch him at the MxDn 2006 and how he on the initial warm up did a wheelie over the "whoops (or whatever it was) and then directly afterwards did this perfect whip like it was effortless, and he really stood out (he did more stuff to impress me of course).

You get my point? I claim this old man (Emig started it) seems to be in sync with scooter like few.

So why the hell didn't he manage more than these two Lite titles? He also comes out as a rather smart, mature dude? At least in those podium speeches, so he seems to have both brain and talent. I though that would be enough combo?

So WTF is/was his problem, seems to be Mr third despite the competition over two decades now?
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WhipMeister 2/23/2010 2:32pm
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You guys that always post the "What's wrong with k-dub?" threads crack me up.

Ummm, "Nuthin".

Why is it that some people have a hard time with the idea that a guy can go out there and ride on his own terms (effortlessly), bring tremendous benefits to his sponsors, finish consistently in the top 5 and do it for 12-15 years? Seems to me that is the essence of being a "professional" in anything.

Like I said. "Nuthin" is wrong with Windham.



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CamP 2/23/2010 2:35pm
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Windham is smart. By the time he retires, he will have made a hell of a lot more money and have had a lot more fun racing than 99.9% of the professional racers that ever threw a leg over a bike.
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DrSweden wrote:
After watching Indy I got amazed by Kevins riding skills. How he managed the jumps, how the bike moved and his interaction with the machine made...
After watching Indy I got amazed by Kevins riding skills. How he managed the jumps, how the bike moved and his interaction with the machine made me a dazed. I know many people have said that few are as skilled as this guy, and partly I agree. I had the fortune to watch him at the MxDn 2006 and how he on the initial warm up did a wheelie over the "whoops (or whatever it was) and then directly afterwards did this perfect whip like it was effortless, and he really stood out (he did more stuff to impress me of course).

You get my point? I claim this old man (Emig started it) seems to be in sync with scooter like few.

So why the hell didn't he manage more than these two Lite titles? He also comes out as a rather smart, mature dude? At least in those podium speeches, so he seems to have both brain and talent. I though that would be enough combo?

So WTF is/was his problem, seems to be Mr third despite the competition over two decades now?
How did he steal money? What inference are you making?

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DrSweden 2/23/2010 2:52pm
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You guys that always post the "What's wrong with k-dub?" threads crack me up. Ummm, "Nuthin". Why is it that some people have a hard time...
You guys that always post the "What's wrong with k-dub?" threads crack me up.

Ummm, "Nuthin".

Why is it that some people have a hard time with the idea that a guy can go out there and ride on his own terms (effortlessly), bring tremendous benefits to his sponsors, finish consistently in the top 5 and do it for 12-15 years? Seems to me that is the essence of being a "professional" in anything.

Like I said. "Nuthin" is wrong with Windham.



I'm glad I crack you up then? You don't need to read too much into this. Instead of maybe making this to something totally negative, one could also choose to see this as some kind of tribute to Windham? My thought was only that this old man has more talent than RD? And prolly wants another title (he seems happy when he wins)? But is holding back.

I Just thought it was interesting, and I got a bit annoyed because with 1/100 of his skills me and others feel we would reach for the skies?

This, nothing is wrong with Windham I dont buy either. Any person choosing MX/SX as a job is a crazy sob...
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DrSweden wrote:
I'm glad I crack you up then? You don't need to read too much into this. Instead of maybe making this to something totally negative, one...
I'm glad I crack you up then? You don't need to read too much into this. Instead of maybe making this to something totally negative, one could also choose to see this as some kind of tribute to Windham? My thought was only that this old man has more talent than RD? And prolly wants another title (he seems happy when he wins)? But is holding back.

I Just thought it was interesting, and I got a bit annoyed because with 1/100 of his skills me and others feel we would reach for the skies?

This, nothing is wrong with Windham I dont buy either. Any person choosing MX/SX as a job is a crazy sob...
You keep posting these questions Dr. Sveeden... then everybody chimes in and you don't seem to like the answers?

Is this a homework assignment? Whistling
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DrSweden 2/23/2010 3:10pm
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You keep posting these questions Dr. Sveeden... then everybody chimes in and you don't seem to like the answers?

Is this a homework assignment? Whistling
Ha! I'm guilty for what you are accusing me of. I had hopes that someone would guide me into some kind of feeling where I accept this "talent waste", someone that would take it from where I stand, point me in some interesting direction I hadn't thought of. These thoughts provided here are good, but I kind of allready played them and wasn't satisfied.

Life isn't always what you want it to be, and I'm guilty of falling for some personal and naive emotions.

That's all really. Felt better to talk about this than the usual GP vs AMA, or J-Law is an ass...
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jeffro503 2/23/2010 3:23pm
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KW...is KW! Which means basically he is damn near a god on a motorcycle and what he can do on one.

remember even the KING J. McGrath once said " I would love to be able to look through the eyes of KW for just one day"


And with the best supercross racer on the planet ( of all time) says that about someone.....and you can't see it....you are missing something.
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dunn2500 2/23/2010 4:26pm
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RC destroyed more than a few riders " goals"..............how many titles would Reed, JS, KW have if RC never raced
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Rupert X wrote:
Permit me to list Windham's problems: Women love him Men want to be him His wife and kids love him He's qualified to fly multi-engine aircraft...


Permit me to list Windham's problems:

Women love him
Men want to be him
His wife and kids love him
He's qualified to fly multi-engine aircraft
His job is to race motorcycles
He gets to jump into a colorful costume every weekend and fly over jumps
before 65,000 screaming fans. And get paid for it. Very well.
He easily can grow gnarly porn mustaches
He owns a bunch of land
He still gets on the podium
Beloved by zillions of fans with real problems
1minus hes from mississippi
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mx.jah 2/23/2010 6:11pm
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He also has 4 kids now to. He has said on numerous accounts that he would love to push it like he used to but his...
He also has 4 kids now to. He has said on numerous accounts that he would love to push it like he used to but his family is important to him and he doesn't wanna get hurt. Honestly I think he prolly would be the GOAT if it wasn't for RC. Isn't he the only one besides James to beat RC straight up in a race to? Correct me if Im wrong.
Tortelli did too at few outdoors and at 2000 MXoN; as well as Vuillemin, at least at INDY 02 or 03
minidad160 2/23/2010 6:34pm
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What Windham does on the track makes me think he should be the top guy. I just started noticing kw this past year. Amazing rider does the stuff no one else is doing.
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roguemx 2/23/2010 6:43pm
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The man has defied all critics saying he wouldn't see another podium. Three podiums this year, so far, and more too come IMHO. Sixteen years racing supercross and still a threat at 32, countless fans, and a constantly admired riding style, I'd say the man has done no wrong.
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i dont know if u are serious now, but if there wouldnt been any Ricky carmichael K-dub is the GOAT. i dont know where u get...
i dont know if u are serious now, but if there wouldnt been any Ricky carmichael K-dub is the GOAT.
i dont know where u get that he is number 3, because i dont think that Reed beat him outdoor.
Yea, i agree 110%
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Faceaz 2/23/2010 7:02pm
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Absolutely nothing is wrong with him.

IMO he's the smartest rider out there. Since his fractured femur & absence from the sport, he rides well within his means & hasn't had a major injury in years. At this point is in his career, he isn't willing to throw it away but always in the hunt for a win. I think he and Stewart have the most incredible natural ability.

At Glen Helen I was watching him in some whoops, there was about 6. Lap after lap he would jump in, tap the 4th whoop with his rear wheel & land down the backside of the 6th - made it look soo easy.
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MX479Guy 2/23/2010 7:31pm
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I've it before and I will again...If KW is on his game, no one, not RC, not JS no one would beat him outdoors if he decided to show up and kick ass on that day.

But sadly that KW doesn't show up that often.

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WhipMeister 2/23/2010 8:01pm
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MX479Guy wrote:
I've it before and I will again...If KW is on his game, no one, not RC, not JS no one would beat him outdoors if he...
I've it before and I will again...If KW is on his game, no one, not RC, not JS no one would beat him outdoors if he decided to show up and kick ass on that day.

But sadly that KW doesn't show up that often.
Nothing "sad" about it. The 'win or crash" mentality that many of you think is so admirable is precisely what illuminates what KW brings to this sport. Most of his competition has to risk crashing to finish ahead of him. A good portion of them spend their seasons on the sidelines and retiring too soon, while he's still out there having the time of his life. You should appreciate it, too. He's the one that forces the ones you think are so 'cool' to take all those risks that are so cool.
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calimxer91 2/23/2010 8:08pm
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Good post whip.He's had some signifacant injuries and seen many many others first hand.Short crossed the line just a tad and look where he's at.Most of all he knows you gotta be in it to win it and it definitely isnt over.
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MX479Guy 2/23/2010 8:30pm
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MX479Guy wrote:
I've it before and I will again...If KW is on his game, no one, not RC, not JS no one would beat him outdoors if he...
I've it before and I will again...If KW is on his game, no one, not RC, not JS no one would beat him outdoors if he decided to show up and kick ass on that day.

But sadly that KW doesn't show up that often.
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Nothing "sad" about it. The 'win or crash" mentality that many of you think is so admirable is precisely what illuminates what KW brings to this...
Nothing "sad" about it. The 'win or crash" mentality that many of you think is so admirable is precisely what illuminates what KW brings to this sport. Most of his competition has to risk crashing to finish ahead of him. A good portion of them spend their seasons on the sidelines and retiring too soon, while he's still out there having the time of his life. You should appreciate it, too. He's the one that forces the ones you think are so 'cool' to take all those risks that are so cool.
Where did you get i think it's cool to crash from this?

I'm a huge KW fan, by the way. I wish this was a full movie.


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MX479Guy wrote:
I've it before and I will again...If KW is on his game, no one, not RC, not JS no one would beat him outdoors if he...
I've it before and I will again...If KW is on his game, no one, not RC, not JS no one would beat him outdoors if he decided to show up and kick ass on that day.

But sadly that KW doesn't show up that often.
WhipMeister wrote:
Nothing "sad" about it. The 'win or crash" mentality that many of you think is so admirable is precisely what illuminates what KW brings to this...
Nothing "sad" about it. The 'win or crash" mentality that many of you think is so admirable is precisely what illuminates what KW brings to this sport. Most of his competition has to risk crashing to finish ahead of him. A good portion of them spend their seasons on the sidelines and retiring too soon, while he's still out there having the time of his life. You should appreciate it, too. He's the one that forces the ones you think are so 'cool' to take all those risks that are so cool.
Honestly, I don't think he is the one forcing any of the top riders into those risk. He may still be racing, but his name isn't in the record books nearly as much as it should have been. When RC was racing everyone said "it's all about championships", now it's about riding to not get hurt???


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MX479Guy 2/23/2010 8:46pm
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It's not sad that KW doesnt push the edge, it's sad that we dont get to see the KW that dominates more often.

I think you guys took what i sad the wrong way.
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WhipMeister 2/23/2010 9:00pm
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Honestly, I don't think he is the one forcing any of the top riders into those risk. He may still be racing, but his name isn't...
Honestly, I don't think he is the one forcing any of the top riders into those risk. He may still be racing, but his name isn't in the record books nearly as much as it should have been. When RC was racing everyone said "it's all about championships", now it's about riding to not get hurt???


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Says the guy whose lead dog has no chance at the championship.....
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Honestly, I don't think he is the one forcing any of the top riders into those risk. He may still be racing, but his name isn't...
Honestly, I don't think he is the one forcing any of the top riders into those risk. He may still be racing, but his name isn't in the record books nearly as much as it should have been. When RC was racing everyone said "it's all about championships", now it's about riding to not get hurt???


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Windham turns 32 Sunday. Keep that in perspective when four of the top five SX riders are out due to injury.
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WhipMeister 2/23/2010 9:34pm
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Windham turns 32 Sunday. Keep that in perspective when four of the top five SX riders are out due to injury.
Great point. What if the AMA awarded three championship points per start in a main, think we'd see a lot more of our 'stars' make it all the way through a series? Would that be 'better'?
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"technically" one of the best of the modern era...smooth , precise , economy of movement on the scooter...love watching the guy...........


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Shenzi wrote:
His problem was Carmichael, MC, Reed, JS.
Well said. But having said that, the very same reason he is not as all out balls to the walls as those guys, has led to him having a very solid long career with a huge fan following, his technique and smoothness give him that look of brilliance, almost like a phenom, even without the titles of one, it almost appears as though he is holding back on us sometimes, but when he decides he is "feelin it", then what a spectacle it is, and because of that he has always been highly respected and those flashes of brilliance i believe are what keep him on the good teams he's been on, he deserves it too ofcourse, as i said, hes just entertaining to watch!. He has been one successful dude financially as well because of those qualities i believe. Go KW14
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DrSweden 2/24/2010 1:47am
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WhipMeister wrote:
Nothing "sad" about it. The 'win or crash" mentality that many of you think is so admirable is precisely what illuminates what KW brings to this...
Nothing "sad" about it. The 'win or crash" mentality that many of you think is so admirable is precisely what illuminates what KW brings to this sport. Most of his competition has to risk crashing to finish ahead of him. A good portion of them spend their seasons on the sidelines and retiring too soon, while he's still out there having the time of his life. You should appreciate it, too. He's the one that forces the ones you think are so 'cool' to take all those risks that are so cool.
You have a point. Makes me think of the say abou the star that shines twice as bright, but live half the length? RC retired way too early in my book. But man that guy was glooming like no one else...
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FlaNard 2/24/2010 1:53am
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Kevin is one of the most talented riders I have ever seen. I just think he doesnt have the confidence to be "the man" when push comes to shove. You can see how he rides when he is confident, and how he can also ride around in 10th looking bored. I think maybe since the ability came so easy to him, maybe he never developed that insane work ethic of a guy like RC. Plus he never really hangs it out. Bailey once said that if he had to compare himself to a current rider it would be Windham for that exact reason. He said that he was the same way and would always try to stick to smooth riding over hanging it out. But take away RC, MC, and Reed, and Windham would have a buttload of titles.

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