What Helmet Was JS7 Wearing

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Edited Date/Time 1/13/2016 7:05pm
JS7 looks like he was wearing the Bell. Just wondering why he wasn't wearing his new Seven helmet?
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Custom Bell Flex 9.
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Can't help but wonder if a 6D may have helped with the concussion! First thing I thought of when they said he was out!
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Can't help but wonder if a 6D may have helped with the concussion! First thing I thought of when they said he was out!
6ds are useless and if you buy into their scam you're ignorant, They are far from concussion proof. I know countless people who have split the helmet in half and have been knocked out silly. That bell helmet stew had on is top notch.
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Jack_4196 wrote:
6ds are useless and if you buy into their scam you're ignorant, They are far from concussion proof. I know countless people who have split the...
6ds are useless and if you buy into their scam you're ignorant, They are far from concussion proof. I know countless people who have split the helmet in half and have been knocked out silly. That bell helmet stew had on is top notch.
Wow. Where to begin with this? As a company, 6D has done more to promote the changes in helmet technology than any other single company. They were the ones who forced other manufacturers to come up with technology to compete with the product you consider to be a scam. If they hadn't done that, many of the systems you see in helmets now wouldn't exist.

No helmet is "concussion proof." If that's what you're looking for, then every helmet is a scam.

How many people is "countless" that have split a 6D? I work in a shop that sells them and I haven't seen them coming in split. With 6D's helmet inspection and replacement program, I'm guessing I'd see it if it were happening. I'm assuming you have photos of all these split helmets? Or is it so common it's a "non-event" now and there's no point?

But assuming your theory of split helmets is true (I'm skeptical), a helmet functions by absorbing and dispersing impact. If someone hits hard enough to split a helmet (which takes significant force), imagine the force to the head if it didn't dissipate in the form of a crack? A helmet that breaks is actually doing its job rather well. If it didn't, more force goes into the head. Kinematics of trauma, mechanism of injury and all that...

Your comment about the Bell being a top-notch product is about the only statement in your post I agree with.

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I would also guess Stewi has had several of these and each one is easier to get once you start going down that road..
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sgrimmxdad 1/13/2016 4:47am
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sgrimmxdad wrote:
Can't help but wonder if a 6D may have helped with the concussion! First thing I thought of when they said he was out!
Jack_4196 wrote:
6ds are useless and if you buy into their scam you're ignorant, They are far from concussion proof. I know countless people who have split the...
6ds are useless and if you buy into their scam you're ignorant, They are far from concussion proof. I know countless people who have split the helmet in half and have been knocked out silly. That bell helmet stew had on is top notch.
You are calling someone ignorant for buying into the 6D "scam?" I guess that is why the NFL picked them as a partner for research....



I totally agree with KTMSHANE! He nailed it. If the 6D splits it has done its job....

My kid was wearing a lower priced helmet, took a big spill and got a concussion. We are on his 4th 6D. Each one was a pretty nasty hit and thank THE LORD he hasn't had another concussion. Can I attribute it all to the 6D? NO, but I have to say it made a difference for sure!

One of our local riders, a 10yr old took a NASTY fall off a big jump last year. Was unresponsive for a couple of days. Flew him out of there! Couple of days later he is awake and good. Doctors said that helmet saved him...

Are they expensive? Yes, do they seem to crack on large hits? YES. I have had long conversations with them and they stand behind their product and say it is supposed to crack. I rather the helmet crack and take the impact than my kids head....

Is it the best helmet, I can't say. It works for us is all I can say.....
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Gotta love newbs with their overly stupid opinions.
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I don't care what helmet Stew was wearing I want to know what helmet Friese was wearing that thing took some abuse!!
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sgrimmxdad 1/13/2016 5:55am
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Motoman35 wrote:
I don't care what helmet Stew was wearing I want to know what helmet Friese was wearing that thing took some abuse!!
LMAO!
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IWreckALot wrote:
Gotta love newbs with their overly stupid opinions.
Yea, there's been a huge outbreak of that around here lately.
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IWreckALot wrote:
Gotta love newbs with their overly stupid opinions.
DoctorJD wrote:
Yea, there's been a huge outbreak of that around here lately.
I've been saving this...Cool

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I do not know if it is an important point, but it looks like the 6D are also bigger. Logically bigger helmets should help to absorb the impacts better.

I also noticed that what can be dangerous is the part that protects the mouth (sorry I do not the name in english), and I do not see testing/measures towards that direction. Here maybe the brands should make it smaller, more rounded, much closer to the mouth, as this can be dangerous if it plants into the ground, or affect the head movement during a crash. Not great for the look, and ok I am not a doctor or a specialist, all I heard is that "jet helmets" were doing less damages to the spine, but I find it quite logical.
wideopen198 1/13/2016 7:13am
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sgrimmxdad wrote:
JS7 looks like he was wearing the Bell. Just wondering why he wasn't wearing his new Seven helmet?
Looks good!
He has a contract with Bell. I think the seven helmets are on the market for people who want a helmet to match their gear. I don't think they do a lot of development in that area. It's a bit like the fox helmets. They kinda suck. (in my opinion)
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He has a contract with Bell. I think the seven helmets are on the market for people who want a helmet to match their gear. I...
He has a contract with Bell. I think the seven helmets are on the market for people who want a helmet to match their gear. I don't think they do a lot of development in that area. It's a bit like the fox helmets. They kinda suck. (in my opinion)
Seven helmets are just Troy Lee SE-3's
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Question wrote:
I do not know if it is an important point, but it looks like the 6D are also bigger. Logically bigger helmets should help to absorb...
I do not know if it is an important point, but it looks like the 6D are also bigger. Logically bigger helmets should help to absorb the impacts better.

I also noticed that what can be dangerous is the part that protects the mouth (sorry I do not the name in english), and I do not see testing/measures towards that direction. Here maybe the brands should make it smaller, more rounded, much closer to the mouth, as this can be dangerous if it plants into the ground, or affect the head movement during a crash. Not great for the look, and ok I am not a doctor or a specialist, all I heard is that "jet helmets" were doing less damages to the spine, but I find it quite logical.
Funny you mention that. I was wondering why mx helmets were formed the way they are especially after considering how road bike and NFL helmets are formed. I certainly prefer the current look more than a rounded look. I chalked up the design to improved air flow since we're not moving as fast as a road bike and NFL isn't comparable for a number of reasons.
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sgrimmxdad wrote:
Can't help but wonder if a 6D may have helped with the concussion! First thing I thought of when they said he was out!
Jack_4196 wrote:
6ds are useless and if you buy into their scam you're ignorant, They are far from concussion proof. I know countless people who have split the...
6ds are useless and if you buy into their scam you're ignorant, They are far from concussion proof. I know countless people who have split the helmet in half and have been knocked out silly. That bell helmet stew had on is top notch.
sgrimmxdad wrote:
You are calling someone ignorant for buying into the 6D "scam?" I guess that is why the NFL picked them as a partner for research.... I...
You are calling someone ignorant for buying into the 6D "scam?" I guess that is why the NFL picked them as a partner for research....



I totally agree with KTMSHANE! He nailed it. If the 6D splits it has done its job....

My kid was wearing a lower priced helmet, took a big spill and got a concussion. We are on his 4th 6D. Each one was a pretty nasty hit and thank THE LORD he hasn't had another concussion. Can I attribute it all to the 6D? NO, but I have to say it made a difference for sure!

One of our local riders, a 10yr old took a NASTY fall off a big jump last year. Was unresponsive for a couple of days. Flew him out of there! Couple of days later he is awake and good. Doctors said that helmet saved him...

Are they expensive? Yes, do they seem to crack on large hits? YES. I have had long conversations with them and they stand behind their product and say it is supposed to crack. I rather the helmet crack and take the impact than my kids head....

Is it the best helmet, I can't say. It works for us is all I can say.....
You don't need to be knocked unconscious to suffer a concussion.
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bkent136 1/13/2016 7:35am
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Jack_4196 wrote:
6ds are useless and if you buy into their scam you're ignorant, They are far from concussion proof. I know countless people who have split the...
6ds are useless and if you buy into their scam you're ignorant, They are far from concussion proof. I know countless people who have split the helmet in half and have been knocked out silly. That bell helmet stew had on is top notch.
HA! Wow... You must be a NASA research scientist to come up with that conclusion... Or think you are. If you don't believe in hard raw data, you're part of the problem in this country. You probably use Internet Explorer too. Have you never taken a Physics course? I'm in the process of getting my Mechanical Engineer degree at UF, and let me tell you something. Whatever a helmet company can do to lengthen the time it takes from the moment of impact to the ground to reach your head, the better. It's dispersion of energy. More time for the energy to transfer = less impulse which then = less head trauma. If this wasn't the case, we'd all be wearing a steel knight helmet. Is that what you want?
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JoJmoto wrote:
I would also guess Stewi has had several of these and each one is easier to get once you start going down that road..
Yep. I've experienced this first hand. When I was a teen, I had about 10 concussions in the matter of 8-9 months. After the first two bad ones. It seemed like every time I bumped my head even kind of hard, I'd get another one. Doctor finally told me to sit out of football and mx for at least a year to let my head heal and get back to normal. If he comes back within the next few week after being knocked out, and bumps his head, he's going to be wondering how in the fuck he got to the race that day. He needs to sit out for a while. Of course everyone is different but its just not worth risking brain damage.

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What helmet is Tomac wearing? Looked pretty dazed after his minor A1 crash last year. Probably a good reason he was seeking an alternative option. Arai, Bell.... To the comment about football helmets using 6D tech. It's not comparable. Shells are different and impacts are different. 6D is awesome for thinking outside the box and I'm sure their technology is only improving. Then again, every crash is different.
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sgrimmxdad wrote:
JS7 looks like he was wearing the Bell. Just wondering why he wasn't wearing his new Seven helmet?
Looks good!
The Seven helmet was a re-bagged TLD SE3. With their partnership split, those no longer exist beyond what's been made.

Now that Seven is out on its own though, I heard they might be partnering with Stewart's current sponsor, Bell, to do some helmets for the brand. It would probably be a Moto 9 Flex with different graphics.
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bkent136 1/13/2016 7:44am
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had2comment wrote:
What helmet is Tomac wearing? Looked pretty dazed after his minor A1 crash last year. Probably a good reason he was seeking an alternative option. Arai...
What helmet is Tomac wearing? Looked pretty dazed after his minor A1 crash last year. Probably a good reason he was seeking an alternative option. Arai, Bell.... To the comment about football helmets using 6D tech. It's not comparable. Shells are different and impacts are different. 6D is awesome for thinking outside the box and I'm sure their technology is only improving. Then again, every crash is different.
Nothing is concussion proof. There's still always going to be energy entering your head. There's no way to prevent this. And I bet part of him being pretty dazed is due to both his shoulders being ripped apart
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had2comment wrote:
What helmet is Tomac wearing? Looked pretty dazed after his minor A1 crash last year. Probably a good reason he was seeking an alternative option. Arai...
What helmet is Tomac wearing? Looked pretty dazed after his minor A1 crash last year. Probably a good reason he was seeking an alternative option. Arai, Bell.... To the comment about football helmets using 6D tech. It's not comparable. Shells are different and impacts are different. 6D is awesome for thinking outside the box and I'm sure their technology is only improving. Then again, every crash is different.
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Nothing is concussion proof. There's still always going to be energy entering your head. There's no way to prevent this. And I bet part of him...
Nothing is concussion proof. There's still always going to be energy entering your head. There's no way to prevent this. And I bet part of him being pretty dazed is due to both his shoulders being ripped apart
We are in agreement, I know there is nothing concussion proof. There are however, helmets that help reduce concussions in varying speeds and types of crashes. Some helmets may work better than other in different events. It's best to find the happy medium for the types of riding you do.

I was not talking about Tomac's MX crash, I was talking about Tomac's A1 crash.

Chin coverage is a big thing too. For some, it's pretty easy getting knocked out with a single blow to the chin.
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To me the 6D is still too new. Like most helmets I hear good and bad things about them but I'll give it a few more years of R&D before I decide to buy one. I tried one on less than 2 years ago and I have to say for the price tag it was the most uncomfortable helmet I have ever put on my head. That may have changed by now but at the top it was ridiculous how uncomfortable it was. The $40 Bilt helmet at cycle gear was more comfortable at the time. But until they are around for a few more years and have more testing and development and everything done I will stick with my Shoei and my Bell Moto 9.
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cayman 1/13/2016 10:25am
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Crush wrote:
Custom Bell Flex 9.
Sure rang his Bell pretty hard.
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Just saying, I've taken some pretty major head impacts in my Shoeis and had maybe 1 minor conky after going over the bars 4th gear tapped on my 450. I definitely wouldn't place the lame on the Bell lid though, I've seen that helmet and the tech that goes into it first hand, and watched more than one guy get rocked in one, they usually turn out alright.
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sgrimmxdad wrote:
Can't help but wonder if a 6D may have helped with the concussion! First thing I thought of when they said he was out!
Jack_4196 wrote:
6ds are useless and if you buy into their scam you're ignorant, They are far from concussion proof. I know countless people who have split the...
6ds are useless and if you buy into their scam you're ignorant, They are far from concussion proof. I know countless people who have split the helmet in half and have been knocked out silly. That bell helmet stew had on is top notch.
You don't know jack.....and considering you ARE Jack, that's saying a lot!
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cayman wrote:
Sure rang his Bell pretty hard.
Look at the way he went down. All momentum was going towards his head.

Think of how you throw a fastball, and how you can feel the blood rush towards your hand. I think he got the same when via the way he went down.
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I heard it was a KBC... but it was DOT approved...
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sgrimmxdad wrote:
Can't help but wonder if a 6D may have helped with the concussion! First thing I thought of when they said he was out!
Jack_4196 wrote:
6ds are useless and if you buy into their scam you're ignorant, They are far from concussion proof. I know countless people who have split the...
6ds are useless and if you buy into their scam you're ignorant, They are far from concussion proof. I know countless people who have split the helmet in half and have been knocked out silly. That bell helmet stew had on is top notch.
Ha

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