What Could Have Been: Championships Lost to the GOAT

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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 7:45pm
1997 Windham (125)
1998 Dowd (125)
1999 Sellards (125)
2000 Tortelli (250)
2001 Windham (250)
2002 Ferry (426)
2003 Windham (450)
2004 Reed (450)
2005 Windham (450)
2006 Windham (450)

So there you have it, all of the outdoor national champions that woulda, coulda, shoulda been had it not been for that angry little red headed elf Ricky Carmichael. We always think of Reed as his main rival but as you can see, he actually took five championships from Windham. Poor KW. He must have nightmares about RC. I know I would.
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cody331 12/24/2011 9:54pm
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outdoor KW was the bridesmaid. do you, or anyone else have a list of runner-ups in supercross?
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TDeath21 12/24/2011 9:56pm
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Poor Windham was born right between McGrath and Carmichael. What awful luck. I think the 05 and 06 outdoor championships would have went to Reed had Carmichael not been there. If I remember right, Reed had injuries he otherwise would have rode through, but dropped out because he knew he couldn't catch Carmichael, which gave Windham 2nd. Honestly if it weren't for Ricky, we'd be talking about how Reed is the GOAT right now. Just my opinion of course.
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TDeath21 12/24/2011 9:57pm
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cody331 wrote:
outdoor KW was the bridesmaid. do you, or anyone else have a list of runner-ups in supercross?
2001: McGrath
2002: Vuillemin
2003: Reed
2005: Reed
2006: Stewart
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No, but for a nominal fee I would be happy to compile that for you. I need some new number plate backgrounds. Wanna hook a brother up?

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Charles Bronson 12/24/2011 9:58pm
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I really wish Ferry would have gotten that one in 02. So does Steve "the happening" Matthes.
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TDeath21 wrote:
Poor Windham was born right between McGrath and Carmichael. What awful luck. I think the 05 and 06 outdoor championships would have went to Reed had...
Poor Windham was born right between McGrath and Carmichael. What awful luck. I think the 05 and 06 outdoor championships would have went to Reed had Carmichael not been there. If I remember right, Reed had injuries he otherwise would have rode through, but dropped out because he knew he couldn't catch Carmichael, which gave Windham 2nd. Honestly if it weren't for Ricky, we'd be talking about how Reed is the GOAT right now. Just my opinion of course.
I think you're right. Not sure on the years but I do recall things being that way. It is entirely possible that the list of guys who got 2nd might have been different if RC had not actually been there.
Charles Bronson 12/24/2011 10:03pm
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I wonder what KWs role in the sport will be after he retires. He doesnt seem like the car racing type, nor the mx school type. Maybe manage a lites team?
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bullpen58 12/24/2011 10:04pm
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Charles Bronson wrote:
I really wish Ferry would have gotten that one in 02. So does Steve "the happening" Matthes.
Ferry had a huge advantage (IMO of course) that year because he was on the 426 and most people were still clinging to the false belief that the 250 was the way to go. Funny, thinking back to how when Yamaha offered Ferry that factory ride, he had to "settle" for riding the four stroke. People still thought of the bike as a disadvantage during 02. It wasn't until about 03 or 04 that it became OBVIOUS to everyone that the 450 was the way to do (indoors and out).

I admit, that 426 was not like the 450s of today. That thing had terrible handling compared to the current bikes but the power was still AWESOME back then, especially his factory bike.
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Poor Windham was born right between McGrath and Carmichael. What awful luck. I think the 05 and 06 outdoor championships would have went to Reed had...
Poor Windham was born right between McGrath and Carmichael. What awful luck. I think the 05 and 06 outdoor championships would have went to Reed had Carmichael not been there. If I remember right, Reed had injuries he otherwise would have rode through, but dropped out because he knew he couldn't catch Carmichael, which gave Windham 2nd. Honestly if it weren't for Ricky, we'd be talking about how Reed is the GOAT right now. Just my opinion of course.
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I think you're right. Not sure on the years but I do recall things being that way. It is entirely possible that the list of guys...
I think you're right. Not sure on the years but I do recall things being that way. It is entirely possible that the list of guys who got 2nd might have been different if RC had not actually been there.
Yeah definitely. I also think McGrath would have had more motivation in 2002 and beyond had Carmichael not dominated in 2001. Possibly 2 more championships and 20 more wins to McGrath's all time records if not for Carmichael.

In 2002 MX, I remember at least 12 motos where Carmichael was WAY ahead of Ferry in 2nd, who was WAY ahead of the 3rd place rider. Same goes for Reed in 2004 MX.
Charles Bronson 12/24/2011 10:20pm
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Ferry had a huge advantage (IMO of course) that year because he was on the 426 and most people were still clinging to the false belief...
Ferry had a huge advantage (IMO of course) that year because he was on the 426 and most people were still clinging to the false belief that the 250 was the way to go. Funny, thinking back to how when Yamaha offered Ferry that factory ride, he had to "settle" for riding the four stroke. People still thought of the bike as a disadvantage during 02. It wasn't until about 03 or 04 that it became OBVIOUS to everyone that the 450 was the way to do (indoors and out).

I admit, that 426 was not like the 450s of today. That thing had terrible handling compared to the current bikes but the power was still AWESOME back then, especially his factory bike.
There was a certain CR250 with a "shitty case reed engine" that yarded that 426. Woodpecker on the shroud. little ginger on it. the fuck was his name?

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cody331 wrote:
outdoor KW was the bridesmaid. do you, or anyone else have a list of runner-ups in supercross?
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2001: McGrath
2002: Vuillemin
2003: Reed
2005: Reed
2006: Stewart
Woohoo, I made the list! ;-)
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Woohoo, I made the list! ;-)
In your honest opinion, what are the final standings if you don't do that photo shoot before Daytona? If I remember correctly you were up by 20 points when that happened.
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IceMan446 12/25/2011 12:44am
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And that is the exact reason he is the GOAT of MX. I really dont see some one doing what he did in motocross any time soon. Same goes for MCs record.
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Charles Bronson wrote:
I wonder what KWs role in the sport will be after he retires. He doesnt seem like the car racing type, nor the mx school type...
I wonder what KWs role in the sport will be after he retires. He doesnt seem like the car racing type, nor the mx school type. Maybe manage a lites team?
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see K-Dub doing the rider coach thing for Factory Connection and Honda.
I also think he would be a natural for working as a commentator......Kevin is smooth on the mic and you couldn't ask for a more class guy.
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cody331 wrote:
outdoor KW was the bridesmaid. do you, or anyone else have a list of runner-ups in supercross?
TDeath21 wrote:
2001: McGrath
2002: Vuillemin
2003: Reed
2005: Reed
2006: Stewart
dv12.com wrote:
Woohoo, I made the list! ;-)
DV you were on fire that year, I just watched it on an old "Bar to Bar" video. I remember you had that championship if not for dumb luck! A crash during photo shoot or something?

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Charles Bronson wrote:
I wonder what KWs role in the sport will be after he retires. He doesnt seem like the car racing type, nor the mx school type...
I wonder what KWs role in the sport will be after he retires. He doesnt seem like the car racing type, nor the mx school type. Maybe manage a lites team?
Funny enough, out of all the riders driving or looking to drive KW, to me, seems like the guy that would transition to 4 wheels quite well. I'd like to see him stay in the sport of SX/MX behind the microphone maybe or a team manager. I also think he'd be the type to wanna stay home with the family more too.
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JB 19 12/25/2011 6:35am
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You can't guarantee that those 2nd place guys would have won........Look at the 07 outdoors when Langston came from nowhere once Stewart was out and the title was wide open.

Some guys are just second place guys and will find a guy to beat them regardless of the competition.
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Charles Bronson wrote:
I wonder what KWs role in the sport will be after he retires. He doesnt seem like the car racing type, nor the mx school type...
I wonder what KWs role in the sport will be after he retires. He doesnt seem like the car racing type, nor the mx school type. Maybe manage a lites team?
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Funny enough, out of all the riders driving or looking to drive KW, to me, seems like the guy that would transition to 4 wheels quite...
Funny enough, out of all the riders driving or looking to drive KW, to me, seems like the guy that would transition to 4 wheels quite well. I'd like to see him stay in the sport of SX/MX behind the microphone maybe or a team manager. I also think he'd be the type to wanna stay home with the family more too.
I agree about the last part. KW has been on the road doing this racing thing for most of his life. He has a family. Not sure the allure of all that "fame and fortune" involved with being a team manager is enough to keep him away from home for most of the year. I think the guy just loves riding his bike and THAT is the reason he keeps doing it. But you never know, DV became a team manager after retiring. He could go either way. One thing a lot of us bozos probably underestimate though, is the stress involved with being a team manager. I would guess that it is worse than being the racer because as a racer, you can control some things and are only responsible for your own performance. As a team manager, you're responsible for the performance of OTHER people. I wouldn't want that job....unless they were gonna pay me five figures.
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bullpen58 12/25/2011 8:39am
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dv12.com wrote:
Woohoo, I made the list! ;-)
TDeath21 wrote:
In your honest opinion, what are the final standings if you don't do that photo shoot before Daytona? If I remember correctly you were up by...
In your honest opinion, what are the final standings if you don't do that photo shoot before Daytona? If I remember correctly you were up by 20 points when that happened.
No offense dude, but that is a dumb question. Of COURSE he thought he was gonna win the championship. Jesus. He had everyone covered that year.
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TDeath21 12/25/2011 8:58am
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No offense dude, but that is a dumb question. Of COURSE he thought he was gonna win the championship. Jesus. He had everyone covered that year.
It would have been close. Of course the racer in him says he would have won. The key word in my statement was the word honest. Me personally, I won't bet against RC for anything.
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What if.................... and then what if............................ and then what if................................and then what if.................................




Yeah this is retarded. We can what if anything all day and night long but the FACT of the matter is we don't have to because HISTORY is what happened and it will never change.
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I think it would be funny to see KW with Emig in the booth. I do have a sneaking suspicion Visine might start a limited ad campaign for sponsoring our spokesmen Smile
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Finding that fine line between crashing and victory is the difference between Championships and what could have been!!!!
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MotoChief wrote:
What if.................... and then what if............................ and then what if................................and then what if................................. Yeah this is retarded. We can what if anything all day and night...
What if.................... and then what if............................ and then what if................................and then what if.................................




Yeah this is retarded. We can what if anything all day and night long but the FACT of the matter is we don't have to because HISTORY is what happened and it will never change.
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MotoChief wrote:
What if.................... and then what if............................ and then what if................................and then what if................................. Yeah this is retarded. We can what if anything all day and night...
What if.................... and then what if............................ and then what if................................and then what if.................................




Yeah this is retarded. We can what if anything all day and night long but the FACT of the matter is we don't have to because HISTORY is what happened and it will never change.
have you ever noticed how when you walk up to a group of guys having a conversation, it sort of stops and the guys all disperse?

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