Wanna have a good laugh?! Luongo interview

MXMattii
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5/27/2013 11:23am Edited Date/Time 5/29/2013 1:40pm


New propaganda from Geoff Meyer! He interviewed Giuseppe Luongo. You really need to listen if you wanna have a good laugh!
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ocscottie
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5/27/2013 11:44am
WOW! The MX1 bikes are much to powerful for the MX2 riders when they move up and they lose motivation to race. Blink

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5/27/2013 11:55am
Sounds like the MXGPs are in good hands!
I think motivation can also be affected by the 10k€ entryfees + travel and expenses, or the 100k€ pay for a spot riders who get spots over better riders.
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5/27/2013 12:09pm

This picture is for my good friend Giuseppe Luongo

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Barrett57
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5/27/2013 12:10pm
I wonder if luongo has ever ridden a 450?
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5/27/2013 2:53pm
Eh? One short moto, only top five get pointa, second moto longer, regular points?

I don't mind reducing the cc to 380, I newer understood the 400, that became 450 either, so I can really say anything, and I don't know how it feels to be a pro and go from 250 to 450, and watching JH be pretty fast on his 350 in Lommel, I wonder if a 380 wouldn't be enough, especially if the transition would be easier? In the same manner, why not reduce the 250 class to 200? They have really became so much more than the previous 125, and with that logic, going from 85 to 250 should be considered to much of a step as well?

I don't know what goes behind close doors at YS and FIM, but I think we can't really compare how the series are orchestrated (US vs GP) since going all over the world, having less interest in general (I think we have less people interested here) makes the GPs more demanding to create. I know it's popular to be critical towards GL, and there's something fishy, but I really don't feel we know, what needs to be done, and how to create media attention. From a spectators point of view, I know what I want. For a rider trying to get in, I also picture what's wrong, but the present top five guys, I don't know if what we want, would make a salary for them? Would a 15k paying audience, and some local sponsors be enough to pay millions to AC?

TV=€, GL=TV...
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5/27/2013 2:54pm
manufacture will not change bike for grand prix series
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5/27/2013 3:09pm Edited Date/Time 5/27/2013 3:10pm
What I hate about the GPs and I think should be fixed is:

- Track preparation, the tracks always look crap when youthstream got their hands on it. It's like there was a storm the previous days and you have some deep broken ruts

- Track layout, almost every track looks a big supercross track. You used to have some special tracks like Foxhill, Namur, Loket, Glen Helen, ...

- Type of racing. The racing is dull because every rider waits for the last part of the race to make a move. So you wait 20 minutes before anything else happens. They should reduce the racing time to 20 minutes + 2 (or something) so it's more like a sprint race (= nationals)

- Entree fee (obvious)
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5/27/2013 4:43pm Edited Date/Time 5/27/2013 4:52pm
The man is clueless, feel sorry for the GPs. No way in hell the manufactures are going to change displacement because luongo thinks its too much power, R & D will cost millions.
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5/27/2013 4:43pm
Lets be real here, displacement has nothing to do with talent moving into MX1 a majority of the new talent moves to the USA

making bikes with less displacement will make it more expensive and even harder for smaller Teams to compete.

2 moto's of the same time and points is to confusing for fans on TV

2 moto's of different times and points will be much easier ?

Talk about ignoring the real issues.

1 costs for Teams to enter
2. Travel costs
3.riders defecting to USA
4. trying to force manufactures to change displacement
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5/27/2013 5:35pm
i feel sorry for all those gp riders. this guy is ruining things for them.besides the obvious things already stated, small bikes are harder on parts period. how would they race in the mxon? hes crazy if he thinks all the other coiuntries will make custom bikes for 1 race. hes alienating everyone
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5/27/2013 6:32pm Edited Date/Time 5/27/2013 6:33pm
zippy895 wrote:
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5/27/2013 10:36pm
2 things come to mind!
1) WOW..
2) WOW... again
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5/27/2013 10:59pm
Ozzy wrote:
2 things come to mind!
1) WOW..
2) WOW... again
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5/28/2013 12:29am
that is sad, he is killing the sport at GP level, which is sad,

seems that the USA can find 90 people to ride 450's at the first round, its amazing when their is prizemoney on offer, and reason able entry fees
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5/28/2013 12:57am
A couple of thoughts on this bizarre interview-

It was conducted 2 weeks before Brazil but has only been put out now. Timing is obviously important, presumably attempting to divert attention away from the MX GP Action Group?

Next years' bizarre race format-

First race for MXGP (was MX1) is a short race with points only for the top 5? 2nd race is normal. MX2 runs as before.
But, all we see is a 1 hour show with highlights of the first mx1 and both mx2 races, then the second mx1 race live?

And this is all in order to make it simpler for new MX fans watching??? Its going to be so difficult to follow what's going on, why would anyone outside the top 5 bother finishing race 1? Might as well pull in and save yourself for race 2 as you won't get points, OR any TV airtime for your sponsors. MX2 teams? You've bought the high entry fees and no prize money on the back of increased media and TV exposure, but now you won't get that either???

I'd love to see a well edited 1 hour highlights show for new fans. Its a great idea, but you don't need to try and do that live, Show the races as they are, then go away with the footage, make it look slick and then broadcast the highlights show later.

There's nobody else in the world apparently that can ride a 450 without losing motivation, which is why the entries are so low???? What a ridiculous concept. I mean its just possible that's a small factor in a few cases, but there are loads of other more obvious reasons why the gate isn't full. You could and should explore all those before asking the manufacturers to develop new engines on a whim. We've seen amazing rides from mx2 riders on 450s before, so say they can't do it is just insulting. Anyone remember Cairoli winning the mx1 class first time out on a 450 at Donington, Tommy Searle on the 450 at the mxdn in France, Paulin in the Italian MXDN wasn't it? What he's forgetting is that many of his current MX1 riders came from MX2 and all made the transition ok, so why is he suggesting no one else can do it?

This policy is so obviously biased towards ktm its ridiculous. Lets hope in their forthcoming discussions that all of the above nonsense can get thoroughly rejected once and for all, so we can get back to proper racing on a traditional format with rules we understand and don't keep changing.

Geoff why didn't you challenge him on the thinking behind any of this, rather than just accepting it all as fact?
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5/28/2013 2:03am
riders who can ride a 450 but not racing Gp's ... (they have proved it in the past en still racing the national series at a high level)


Brad Anderson
Billy Mackenzie
Marvin Van Daele
Jeremy Delince
Nicholas Aubin
Milko Potiseck
Cedric Soubeyras
Julien Bill
Marc de Reuver
Mike Kras
Philip Neugbauer
Marcus Schiffer
Nick Triest
Filip Bengtsson
Gert Krestinov
Kevin Wouts
Yentl Martens
Kristian Whatley
Seb Pourcel
Gregory Aranda
Fabien Izoird
...
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5/28/2013 2:18am
plus all the other MX3 riders... certainly the top 10-15.
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5/28/2013 2:24am
You know what would be cheaper and easier.

Stop charging a gazillion dollars for clubs/countries/riders to participate in MXGP under the guise of funding a better promotion of the sport.

No one is falling over themselves trying to sponsor MX! And they won't all the while the costs are prohibitively high!!!
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5/28/2013 2:33am
As Sharkey said above, if this plan got passed we can kiss goodbye to the MXDN as Europe and the USA will be on different bikes.

And how do you progress to MX1 from any other European Series? Are all domestic races/clubs/governing bodies also expected to blindly follow this capacity reduction? Why should they, its not as if they've been consulted or it makes sense?
How do you stop cheater bikes? Potentially with his plan all the manufacturers will have to sell 400s and 450s. How will anyone know if you've got a 450 with 400 stickers on it?
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Fraser wrote:
As Sharkey said above, if this plan got passed we can kiss goodbye to the MXDN as Europe and the USA will be on different bikes...
As Sharkey said above, if this plan got passed we can kiss goodbye to the MXDN as Europe and the USA will be on different bikes.

And how do you progress to MX1 from any other European Series? Are all domestic races/clubs/governing bodies also expected to blindly follow this capacity reduction? Why should they, its not as if they've been consulted or it makes sense?
How do you stop cheater bikes? Potentially with his plan all the manufacturers will have to sell 400s and 450s. How will anyone know if you've got a 450 with 400 stickers on it?
Wonder how much input the Japanese manufacturers had in this?

Cause really, it doesn't look like they put THAT much effort into the GPs anyways...

Probably not too far fetched to think that they'll just tell Luongo to get fucked, we don't feel like spending millions to develop new 350s when we've got perfectly good 450s already goin, and while we are at it, we'll just support AMA racing.
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5/28/2013 3:02am
Roger Harvey (honda europe) told a few weeks ago in an interview what Honda wil be producing in 2 or 3 years ....

450's ....
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5/28/2013 6:52am
Can't they just leave the sport how it used to be and just show highlights on TV? Even me as a hardcore fan can't watch four hours! Being at the track is a whole other story.
The more these bogus ideas pop up, the more upset I get with the FIM. I thought they care about the Sport, but they don't.
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5/28/2013 7:33am
"How to fix problems by making it even worse" A Luongo speciality!


This is a joke they have already tried the one moto thing which didn't work. So now the newbie will still be lost as to how things work but also the true MX fan!!

Motocross just won't go mainstream just do 1h hour highlight and live on specialist channels / online.
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5/28/2013 7:54am
He needs to figure out how to move his 250 GP Champions up to the 450 class. I am not up to date on the GP's. How many 250 GP Champions race with Cairoli in the 450 class now?

It seems like over the past decade most of the 250 GP champs come here and end up racing 450's indoors and out. I don't think power is the issue. Sounds like a promoter problem.
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5/28/2013 8:00am
Meanwhile, in Colorado . . .

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5/28/2013 8:04am
Maybe some of the 'motivation loss' apparently suffered by riders going up from MX2 to MX1 was caused by the fact that they never wanted to go up in the first place? His U23 rule for MX2 was introduced as a knee jerk reaction to try and get more entries in MX1. It hasn't worked, so should we keep it, or get rid?
Tommy Searle would be challenging Herlings for the Championship if he hadn't been forced up. I'm sure that would make him more motivated.

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