Vital MX 250 Shootout is up...

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Edited Date/Time 1/6/2016 2:07pm
For those looking for info on the 250s...

http://www.vitalmx.com/features/2016-Vital-MX-250-Shootout-In-Depth,4945
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just James 1/5/2016 1:04pm
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Sure wish you guys would have included the other two(strokes).
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Awesome, thanks.
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TeamGreen 1/5/2016 1:22pm
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Where, exactly, can I find this "shoot-out"?
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c0ncEpT 1/5/2016 1:52pm
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Played out exactly how I thought it would. Also further proves that a dyno is simply a tool for tuning.

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Rowlands 1/5/2016 3:02pm
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Honda stepped up by the sounds.

Glad I bought a Yamaha Tongue

Love shootouts thanks guys
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fullfloater 1/5/2016 3:27pm
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Yamaha's persistence with the fugly bikes sure has paid off. Equally surprising is Suzuki's reversal of shootout fortune in both classes over essentially the same time period.
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I really like my yamaha, would like to ride a ktm back to back for comparison and fun. Jealous of the gents able to do these tests and tell the story. One day...
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kkawboy14 1/5/2016 3:45pm
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bad forks will kill you in a shoot out!

looks like a lazy topend killed the kx
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DownSouth 1/5/2016 4:08pm
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So the novice tester ranks the KTM 1st and the Husky 6th? Blink
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YZ125H1 1/5/2016 4:15pm
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After all those changes to the Suzuki motor and she posted those dyno numbers. The engineers at Suzuki still think it's 2007 Silly
fullysicmate 1/5/2016 4:16pm
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The data acquisition section was good, Honda whopped them. That says loads, if you go faster on it who cares about the rest. If your a racer anyway.
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kiwifan 1/5/2016 4:18pm
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Looks like another very fair shootout, congrats Vital crew and congrats to Yamaha (again lol)
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fullysicmate wrote:
The data acquisition section was good, Honda whopped them. That says loads, if you go faster on it who cares about the rest. If your a...
The data acquisition section was good, Honda whopped them. That says loads, if you go faster on it who cares about the rest. If your a racer anyway.
That scoring doesn't necessarily mean every guy had their fastest on the Honda, but it had the overall lowest scores in those categories. For instance, my fastest times and segments weren't on the Honda.
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38special 1/5/2016 4:21pm
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Great write up! I really like the lap time analysis. Very interesting that the Honda wins that category. While I know there are variables and you can't base the shootout results entirely on that, I've oft thought the mags' shootouts should give lap times more credence.

I'll always respect MXA and I love the mag, but I feel they over dramatize the traits and dyno results of each bike to manipulate the shootout results to be what they think they should be.

Awesome job guys!
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ginger969 1/5/2016 4:29pm
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well put together release! Looks like my feelings were pretty on point with the ranks Smile
fullysicmate 1/5/2016 4:35pm
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fullysicmate wrote:
The data acquisition section was good, Honda whopped them. That says loads, if you go faster on it who cares about the rest. If your a...
The data acquisition section was good, Honda whopped them. That says loads, if you go faster on it who cares about the rest. If your a racer anyway.
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That scoring doesn't necessarily mean every guy had their fastest on the Honda, but it had the overall lowest scores in those categories. For instance, my...
That scoring doesn't necessarily mean every guy had their fastest on the Honda, but it had the overall lowest scores in those categories. For instance, my fastest times and segments weren't on the Honda.
Yeah I know but from how I read it most people were faster on the honda. They have been copping some flack for a few years now. I have one and I had a guy telling me a few days ago that they are to slow and not worth buying (even though I can beat him on his RMZ450). Its a good piece to include and it would be great if it was included in the future.

This year Australiasian Dirt Bike mag included each test riders fastest lap times in their 450 shootout and a few of them had it on the Honda as well, but in their comments on the bike they said the Honda needed more HP. Is HP overrated?
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fullysicmate wrote:
Yeah I know but from how I read it most people were faster on the honda. They have been copping some flack for a few years...
Yeah I know but from how I read it most people were faster on the honda. They have been copping some flack for a few years now. I have one and I had a guy telling me a few days ago that they are to slow and not worth buying (even though I can beat him on his RMZ450). Its a good piece to include and it would be great if it was included in the future.

This year Australiasian Dirt Bike mag included each test riders fastest lap times in their 450 shootout and a few of them had it on the Honda as well, but in their comments on the bike they said the Honda needed more HP. Is HP overrated?
HP is only a big deal on the 125 and 250f IMO.
queen of spodes 1/5/2016 5:21pm
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just James wrote:
Sure wish you guys would have included the other two(strokes).
x2, after all they are legal in every 250cc four stroke class except American SX and pro outdoors.

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ML512 1/5/2016 5:33pm
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just James wrote:
Sure wish you guys would have included the other two(strokes).
queen of spodes wrote:
x2, after all they are legal in every 250cc four stroke class except American SX and pro outdoors.
I can't add them in... I don't want to be burned at the stake when I rank most of the 250Fs above the two-strokes...Laughing
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kiwifan 1/5/2016 5:36pm
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just James wrote:
Sure wish you guys would have included the other two(strokes).
queen of spodes wrote:
x2, after all they are legal in every 250cc four stroke class except American SX and pro outdoors.
ML512 wrote:
I can't add them in... I don't want to be burned at the stake when I rank most of the 250Fs above the two-strokes...Laughing
lmfao nice comeback !!!!
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Dsigner 1/5/2016 5:40pm
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The 2 new Suzuki 250 teams have their work cut out for them.
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fullysicmate wrote:
Yeah I know but from how I read it most people were faster on the honda. They have been copping some flack for a few years...
Yeah I know but from how I read it most people were faster on the honda. They have been copping some flack for a few years now. I have one and I had a guy telling me a few days ago that they are to slow and not worth buying (even though I can beat him on his RMZ450). Its a good piece to include and it would be great if it was included in the future.

This year Australiasian Dirt Bike mag included each test riders fastest lap times in their 450 shootout and a few of them had it on the Honda as well, but in their comments on the bike they said the Honda needed more HP. Is HP overrated?
From being a past Honda owner HP is overrated in reviews for the 450's as said above you could be cynical and say it is used to favour others...but I won a lot of races (even before I did add some HP) on the Honda and HP was never a major issue except on the sandiest of tracks. Even then the Hondas do respond well to hop ups, so getting a lot of HP out of them is not hard at all, should they come with high HP as standard is a debate not meant for this thread.

I decided not to hop up my Kawasaki this season (except for aftermarket exhaust), yes it puts out less than what my Honda did (when hopped up) but its still wins races for me.

Back to the thread discussion....The combination of suspension and handling is, in my opinion, much more important. Perhaps the lap times for the Honda 250F back that up perfectly?

Perhaps Hondas feel slow to riders/testers because they do not have a major top end rush so therefore you THINK its slow and therefore you THINK you are slower ...its a trap!!!! lol

Then again what do I know I am only a washed up Pro lol *wink*
fullysicmate 1/5/2016 5:55pm
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fullysicmate wrote:
Yeah I know but from how I read it most people were faster on the honda. They have been copping some flack for a few years...
Yeah I know but from how I read it most people were faster on the honda. They have been copping some flack for a few years now. I have one and I had a guy telling me a few days ago that they are to slow and not worth buying (even though I can beat him on his RMZ450). Its a good piece to include and it would be great if it was included in the future.

This year Australiasian Dirt Bike mag included each test riders fastest lap times in their 450 shootout and a few of them had it on the Honda as well, but in their comments on the bike they said the Honda needed more HP. Is HP overrated?
kiwifan wrote:
From being a past Honda owner HP is overrated in reviews for the 450's as said above you could be cynical and say it is used...
From being a past Honda owner HP is overrated in reviews for the 450's as said above you could be cynical and say it is used to favour others...but I won a lot of races (even before I did add some HP) on the Honda and HP was never a major issue except on the sandiest of tracks. Even then the Hondas do respond well to hop ups, so getting a lot of HP out of them is not hard at all, should they come with high HP as standard is a debate not meant for this thread.

I decided not to hop up my Kawasaki this season (except for aftermarket exhaust), yes it puts out less than what my Honda did (when hopped up) but its still wins races for me.

Back to the thread discussion....The combination of suspension and handling is, in my opinion, much more important. Perhaps the lap times for the Honda 250F back that up perfectly?

Perhaps Hondas feel slow to riders/testers because they do not have a major top end rush so therefore you THINK its slow and therefore you THINK you are slower ...its a trap!!!! lol

Then again what do I know I am only a washed up Pro lol *wink*
I agree, I like the data acquisition section. Its a great guide because it includes no biased opinions.
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Nom DeGuerre 1/5/2016 6:02pm
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Basically this tells me to stay away from yellow? Some other consistent bikes as well, but is another case of pick a colour?
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ML512 wrote:
I can't add them in... I don't want to be burned at the stake when I rank most of the 250Fs above the two-strokes...Laughing
Convincing argument for equivalence in the US pro series. Wink
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ginger969 1/5/2016 6:36pm
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Is this the first shootout posted for 2016 250fs?
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ML512 1/5/2016 6:48pm
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queen of spodes wrote:
Convincing argument for equivalence in the US pro series. Wink
250 two-strokes are faster in my opinion but I prefer four-strokes.. that's all that proves.. Laughing
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just James 1/5/2016 6:48pm
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ML512 wrote:
I can't add them in... I don't want to be burned at the stake when I rank most of the 250Fs above the two-strokes...Laughing
Yeah, I like 2 strokes, but it really wouldn't bother me to see them finish behind some of the others, if that happened. Just think it would be cool to find out how they really compare, when all of the bikes are totally stock, and with a variety of riders.

Probably bad form to embarrass the "royal family" though.
queen of spodes 1/5/2016 8:11pm
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Well done shootout even if some bikes were left out. Smile Still surprised to see how different the KTM and Husky are IRL.
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ML512 1/5/2016 8:39pm
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queen of spodes wrote:
Well done shootout even if some bikes were left out. Smile Still surprised to see how different the KTM and Husky are IRL.
In my opinion, no bikes were left out... Tongue

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