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Crush 7/12/2016 7:39pm
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As good as Eli was at Southwick, and as close as he was at Muddy Creek, I still haven't seen him ride like he was last year, where he was hopping stuff, manualing, using his MTB feet up riding stuff... He's just smashing shit all the time... You can see a bit of it in that video above and obviously last year's stuff... Hope it comes around and he puts it to Ken so it tightens up, Coop is gonna make 250s a snore fest even if he comes from behind every race.
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As good as Eli was at Southwick, and as close as he was at Muddy Creek, I still haven't seen him ride like he was last...
As good as Eli was at Southwick, and as close as he was at Muddy Creek, I still haven't seen him ride like he was last year, where he was hopping stuff, manualing, using his MTB feet up riding stuff... He's just smashing shit all the time... You can see a bit of it in that video above and obviously last year's stuff... Hope it comes around and he puts it to Ken so it tightens up, Coop is gonna make 250s a snore fest even if he comes from behind every race.
Really though how much faster can they go ? Roczen is laying it down this year.

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steve_97060 7/12/2016 8:06pm
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sure he has, it's blatantly obvious that he is mentally weak and is incapable of winning championships..
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Crush wrote:
As good as Eli was at Southwick, and as close as he was at Muddy Creek, I still haven't seen him ride like he was last...
As good as Eli was at Southwick, and as close as he was at Muddy Creek, I still haven't seen him ride like he was last year, where he was hopping stuff, manualing, using his MTB feet up riding stuff... He's just smashing shit all the time... You can see a bit of it in that video above and obviously last year's stuff... Hope it comes around and he puts it to Ken so it tightens up, Coop is gonna make 250s a snore fest even if he comes from behind every race.
500guy wrote:
Really though how much faster can they go ? Roczen is laying it down this year.
This.

In the RC, JS outdoor heyday I full believe it was impossible to go an ounce faster than they we're going, given the level of equipment. Sometimes limits of a machine are reached.
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Crush 7/12/2016 8:41pm
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Crush wrote:
As good as Eli was at Southwick, and as close as he was at Muddy Creek, I still haven't seen him ride like he was last...
As good as Eli was at Southwick, and as close as he was at Muddy Creek, I still haven't seen him ride like he was last year, where he was hopping stuff, manualing, using his MTB feet up riding stuff... He's just smashing shit all the time... You can see a bit of it in that video above and obviously last year's stuff... Hope it comes around and he puts it to Ken so it tightens up, Coop is gonna make 250s a snore fest even if he comes from behind every race.
500guy wrote:
Really though how much faster can they go ? Roczen is laying it down this year.
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This. In the RC, JS outdoor heyday I full believe it was impossible to go an ounce faster than they we're going, given the level of...
This.

In the RC, JS outdoor heyday I full believe it was impossible to go an ounce faster than they we're going, given the level of equipment. Sometimes limits of a machine are reached.
Yea not sure how much better i'd expect either to go, but I definitely haven't seen Eli float and hop and pick his way through stuff... His technique has been underated his whole career because people see the aggression, but watch his motos last year and see what he's doing that others weren't... He hasn't looked close to riding like that this year... still fast, but fast a different way for sure.
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kiwifan 7/12/2016 8:48pm
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Yea not sure how much better i'd expect either to go, but I definitely haven't seen Eli float and hop and pick his way through stuff...
Yea not sure how much better i'd expect either to go, but I definitely haven't seen Eli float and hop and pick his way through stuff... His technique has been underated his whole career because people see the aggression, but watch his motos last year and see what he's doing that others weren't... He hasn't looked close to riding like that this year... still fast, but fast a different way for sure.
Agree 100%, good analysis
TripleFive 7/12/2016 9:11pm
7/12/2016 9:11pm
Watching that video reminded me of how important it was for Elijah to win last weekend.

In the 250 class, Luke is right, ET3 had Kenneth mentally beat. How many times did Eli hunt Ken down at the end of a moto and drop him??

The 'Wick was crucial for Eli, mentally. Even though I expect that things will be back to business as usual for K-Roc at Millville, it's vitally important that Eli knows that when he's onnnn, he still has Ken covered.

It's a mental game, boyz.
matthew davison 7/12/2016 9:33pm
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What Tomac done to Roczen at the Wick is exactly what Roczen has done to Tomac all year, plus more, I think its a little early to say that Roczen is worried just yet.
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lostboy819 7/12/2016 11:48pm
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Yep, Tomac is 47 points down to Kroc, I guess Tomac has him right where he wants him.Pinch
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Excaliburbmx 7/13/2016 12:28am
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Like both guys and at least we have some battles going on.
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lostboy819 wrote:
Yep, Tomac is 47 points down to Kroc, I guess Tomac has him right where he wants him.Pinch
Eli likes doing guys from behind? Who knew!

This thread is funny.
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Kasims 7/13/2016 1:06am
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,....then Roczen gonna do another 1-1, and you will hear the grasshoppers..
Bonanza69 7/13/2016 2:43am
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I would say it is just the opposite,Ken is on the way to win his second 450 title and Tomac has nothing til today.Laughing
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motomike137 7/13/2016 3:38am
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Kasims wrote:
,....then Roczen gonna do another 1-1, and you will hear the grasshoppers..
grasshoppers?
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motomike137 7/13/2016 3:40am
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500guy wrote:
Really though how much faster can they go ? Roczen is laying it down this year.
Flatliner wrote:
This. In the RC, JS outdoor heyday I full believe it was impossible to go an ounce faster than they we're going, given the level of...
This.

In the RC, JS outdoor heyday I full believe it was impossible to go an ounce faster than they we're going, given the level of equipment. Sometimes limits of a machine are reached.
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Yea not sure how much better i'd expect either to go, but I definitely haven't seen Eli float and hop and pick his way through stuff...
Yea not sure how much better i'd expect either to go, but I definitely haven't seen Eli float and hop and pick his way through stuff... His technique has been underated his whole career because people see the aggression, but watch his motos last year and see what he's doing that others weren't... He hasn't looked close to riding like that this year... still fast, but fast a different way for sure.
I think this weekend will be pivotal. Roczen will probably go on to win this years war but Eli can put a serious amount of doubt in Kenny's head if he goes on a tear from here. Now let's have Barcia get involved also and it could get real interesting.

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Prntscrn 7/13/2016 4:00am
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If Eli would have dropped Ken in the second moto sure maybe, but Ken actually manage to put in a late charge and wasn't far off. Doubt he's that worried..
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After Daytona if someone asked me if Eli would get another Supercross win before the season was over I would of put a lot of money (to me) on yes and he didn't. So it will be interesting to see if he's really better or if the track really played into his favor. But at the same time I think Eli is very good at Millville so it might not be an accurate reading.
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Kasims 7/13/2016 4:22am
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Kasims wrote:
,....then Roczen gonna do another 1-1, and you will hear the grasshoppers..
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grasshoppers?
Yes, because there will be silence, some moment for sure.. Wink
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jonboy688 7/13/2016 4:36am
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If Eli would have dropped Ken in the second moto sure maybe, but Ken actually manage to put in a late charge and wasn't far off...
If Eli would have dropped Ken in the second moto sure maybe, but Ken actually manage to put in a late charge and wasn't far off. Doubt he's that worried..
guess you missed the part where eli laid the bike down and got passed, and then passed ken again???
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I feel like Eli and his team want it the most. And "wanting it" is a very important factor in these last 5 rounds. I'm not saying Tomac is better than Roczen (or vice versa), but MX is just as much a mind game, as it is a skill and physical game.
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yak651 7/13/2016 5:20am
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Kasims wrote:
,....then Roczen gonna do another 1-1, and you will hear the grasshoppers..
motomike137 wrote:
grasshoppers?
Kasims wrote:
Yes, because there will be silence, some moment for sure.. Wink
Lost in the translation i'm sure, but in the US you would say crickets!
Sir Roostsalot 7/13/2016 5:35am
7/13/2016 5:35am
Lets just say "what was once looking to be a snoozefest could get very interesting". Roczen's 2nd half meltdown curse is going to be put to the test. Championships are won in July and August, this will put both men to the test.
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mxmasta 7/13/2016 5:43am
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Damn, Roczen lost ONE race, and all of a sudden he has "2nd half meltdown"?! WOW this place...

What are you guys writing next week, if Roczen wins both motos next saturday?
Or what happens if Tomac wins both motos again in the next race, is Roczen then washed up and old, and should retire?
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mingham97 7/13/2016 5:50am
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mxmasta wrote:
Damn, Roczen lost ONE race, and all of a sudden he has "2nd half meltdown"?! WOW this place... What are you guys writing next week, if...
Damn, Roczen lost ONE race, and all of a sudden he has "2nd half meltdown"?! WOW this place...

What are you guys writing next week, if Roczen wins both motos next saturday?
Or what happens if Tomac wins both motos again in the next race, is Roczen then washed up and old, and should retire?
Well I and the rest of the vitards on here knew it was only a matter of time before Tomac got his ass into gear and started performing far better than he has shown in 2016. Winning a race has shown he is nearly at his full potential. Only an idiot would say Roczen is gonna crash and burn in the second half, but what were saying, is it's only going to get harder for him as the series goes on
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Kasims 7/13/2016 6:37am
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motomike137 wrote:
grasshoppers?
Kasims wrote:
Yes, because there will be silence, some moment for sure.. Wink
yak651 wrote:
Lost in the translation i'm sure, but in the US you would say crickets!
:D sorry, my mistake.
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mauidex 7/13/2016 6:53am
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what happens this weekend will tell..............if Eli can go 1-1 then it's game on WinkWink

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