This should settle who the sand king is

I was waiting for the sign of the lap times article. That is just stellar, Herlings should be pushing the wheelbarow carrying around Cairoli's package after that display of utter dominance. Jesus. It definitely makes the fact that Herlings caught up a moot point.

Blowouts in any sporting event usually aren't fun to watch, but everybody has to appreciate the level of skill Cairoli displayed on Sunday.

Back to back races for Herlings who was in Open class, not for Cairoli who was in MX1 and entered first and third race. Plus he is a MX2 rider. In Lierop Jeffrey was 7 sec faster than Cairoli in the first moto, 5 sec in the second moto on a 250F, THAT is crazy...

True Cairoli was the fastest, and props to him

Doesn't tell the whole story though
The whole 3rd moto doesn't mean a thing,since Cairoli ripped the holeshot and had a clear track ahead of him
And Herlings crashed in the first corner, and had to deal with a whole lot of traffic from the beginning

on a 350 when he normally rides a 250, he's better on the 250

Paulin was pretty impressive
i expected more from Musquin,he used to be pretty good in the sand when he was still riding GP's

Barcia was good when he settled down and found his groove, instead of trying to over ride the track

Cairoli > Herlings

kev472 wrote: True Cairoli was the fastest, and props to him

Doesn't tell the whole story though
The whole 3rd moto doesn't mean a thing,since Cairoli ripped the holeshot and had a clear track ahead of him
And Herlings crashed in the first corner, and had to deal with a whole lot of traffic from the beginning

on a 350 when he normally rides a 250, he's better on the 250

Paulin was pretty impressive
i expected more from Musquin,he used to be pretty good in the sand when he was still riding GP's

Barcia was good when he settled down and found his groove, instead of trying to over ride the track

Barcia was good? You do know that Barcia was in back to back motos as well and pretty much beat every top 10 MX1 GP rider with the exception of Cairoli on a bike that he "normally" doesnt ride including Paulin who you claim was "impressive"....amazing the standards that you guys use to judge your favorites by but then don't extend the same to those who you do not fancy......

Yes man i stand by what i said

Barcia was good, his 3rd place finish was good, showed of his skills
But if you were there you would of seen he had lots of moment were he almost crashed

Paulin was impressive yes damn straight ,fastest lap time the first moto almost got to cairolli's wheel
for a rider from france,who grew up on hardpack

So what if Barcia doesn't ride a 450, Herlings doesn't ride a 350

kev472 wrote: Yes man i stand by what i said

Barcia was good, his 3rd place finish was good, showed of his skills
But if you were there you would of seen he had lots of moment were he almost crashed

Paulin was impressive yes damn straight ,fastest lap time the first moto almost got to cairolli's wheel
for a rider from france,who grew up on hardpack

So what if Barcia doesn't ride a 450, Herlings doesn't ride a 350

LOLOLOL...You're right, "so what if Barcia doesnt ride a 450, Herlings doesnt ride a 350..." Exactly....do you even read what you write....You are the one who was using that (350) as an excuse as to why Cairoli beat him.....Not me.......You guys are making up more excuses for herlings losing in the 3rd moto than the Americans are for finishing 3rd.....

If you are using that as an excuse for Herlings, I am simply pointing out that what you called a "good" ride for Barcia was on a unfamiliar bike(like herlings) and included beating a guy who you said was "impressive" Yet all you can muster up to describe this ride is "good"

maybe its a language barrier thing again.....

kev472 wrote: True Cairoli was the fastest, and props to him

Doesn't tell the whole story though
The whole 3rd moto doesn't mean a thing,since Cairoli ripped the holeshot and had a clear track ahead of him
And Herlings crashed in the first corner, and had to deal with a whole lot of traffic from the beginning

on a 350 when he normally rides a 250, he's better on the 250

Paulin was pretty impressive
i expected more from Musquin,he used to be pretty good in the sand when he was still riding GP's

Barcia was good when he settled down and found his groove, instead of trying to over ride the track

HAHAHA, man you Dutch guys just can't yield an inch to the true king of the sand can you? Cairoli slowed way down, that's why your guy was able to catch him.

Here's something for you to put on your waffle and chew on: Moto 2 Herlings got the holeshot and managed a 1:55.7 on his 2nd lap before presumably settling down to a slower pace. Moto 3, rougher track, Cairoli holeshots and gets a 1:54.7 on his first lap before slowing down. Both riders had a clear track and Cairoli had a rougher track to deal with and still was a whole second faster.

And your argument that he's better on a 250 is ridiculous. EVERYONE knows that.


Just admit it, Cairoli is the sand king for now, period. Herlings had his best shot and couldn't dethrone him.

AC almost never win with a big margin. He doesnt work more than he has to.

they're both bad as fuck in the sand

end of story

Huckster wrote: Barcia was good? You do know that Barcia was in back to back motos as well and pretty much beat every top 10 MX1 GP rider with the exception of Cairoli on a bike that he "normally" doesnt ride including Paulin who you claim was "impressive"....amazing the standards that you guys use to judge your favorites by but then don't extend the same to those who you do not fancy......

Wow, you're way over sensitive. Two compliments, "Paulin was impressive", "Barcia rode good" and you still find a way to bash on him. OK, Barcia rode better than good to me in his last moto, but hey, the dude said something positiv, positiv!!

Laptimes of Lommel don't say shit. Cairoli took the holeshot in race 3 and set that fastest laptime in the first lap on a track that was flattened at most places, while Jeffrey fell and had to go trough traffic the whole race. In the meanwhile he was way faster than Cairoli who was out and alone at front. When Jeffrey rode his fastest lap, in lap 3, he was at that time 2,5 seconds faster than Tony.
Cairoli was the first to cross the finishline so he deserved the win, that's true. But the whole world could see that Herlings was faster than Tony. He closed a 20 second gap in no time. But it is a 35 minute race so the only thing that counts in the end is who crosses the finishline as first.... Forget the laptimes.

kev472 wrote: True Cairoli was the fastest, and props to him

Doesn't tell the whole story though
The whole 3rd moto doesn't mean a thing,since Cairoli ripped the holeshot and had a clear track ahead of him
And Herlings crashed in the first corner, and had to deal with a whole lot of traffic from the beginning

on a 350 when he normally rides a 250, he's better on the 250

Paulin was pretty impressive
i expected more from Musquin,he used to be pretty good in the sand when he was still riding GP's

Barcia was good when he settled down and found his groove, instead of trying to over ride the track

Huckster wrote: Barcia was good? You do know that Barcia was in back to back motos as well and pretty much beat every top 10 MX1 GP rider with the exception of Cairoli on a bike that he "normally" doesnt ride including Paulin who you claim was "impressive"....amazing the standards that you guys use to judge your favorites by but then don't extend the same to those who you do not fancy......

TMV wrote: Wow, you're way over sensitive. Two compliments, "Paulin was impressive", "Barcia rode good" and you still find a way to bash on him. OK, Barcia rode better than good to me in his last moto, but hey, the dude said something positiv, positiv!!

No not really but just can't figure out some of the logic used on here thats all....The more I think about it, the more impressive Justin's ride was in that 3rd moto. "Hardest track in the World", "roughest moto of the day", "back to back motos", "worlds best riders" and he proceeded to beat the majority of the GP's best MX 1 riders not to mention the MX 2 runner up.....I can find better words to describe that ride than "good", especially if I am going to call someone's ride who he beat "impressive"

Just go back two years to Unadilla and what was said about Clement Desalle and his ride by the GP fans......by the way, is Desalle a good sand rider?

Huckster wrote: LOLOLOL...You're right, "so what if Barcia doesnt ride a 450, Herlings doesnt ride a 350..." Exactly....do you even read what you write....You are the one who was using that (350) as an excuse as to why Cairoli beat him.....Not me.......You guys are making up more excuses for herlings losing in the 3rd moto than the Americans are for finishing 3rd.....

If you are using that as an excuse for Herlings, I am simply pointing out that what you called a "good" ride for Barcia was on a unfamiliar bike(like herlings) and included beating a guy who you said was "impressive" Yet all you can muster up to describe this ride is "good"

maybe its a language barrier thing again.....

Justin and Jeffrey are both rookies on the big bike
out of the 2 , jeffrey had the better result, am i not allowed to state this?

And i was only stating that Cairoli is used to riding that 350
I never said that Herlings was going to beat him, that's what you yourself implied

Can't you guys read, my first sentence i posted in this thread was: TRUE CAIROLI WAS THE FASTEST AND PROPS TO HIM

And thank god i'm allowed to have my own opinion: Yes to me Paulin almost catching Cairoli is impressive
and had the fastest lap time the first moto

You thinking Barcia was better than good is a difference of opinion, i meant it as a positive thing

CalimeroFan wrote: Laptimes of Lommel don't say shit. Cairoli took the holeshot in race 3 and set that fastest laptime in the first lap on a track that was flattened at most places, while Jeffrey fell and had to go trough traffic the whole race. In the meanwhile he was way faster than Cairoli who was out and alone at front. When Jeffrey rode his fastest lap, in lap 3, he was at that time 2,5 seconds faster than Tony.
Cairoli was the first to cross the finishline so he deserved the win, that's true. But the whole world could see that Herlings was faster than Tony. He closed a 20 second gap in no time. But it is a 35 minute race so the only thing that counts in the end is who crosses the finishline as first.... Forget the laptimes.

they groomed the track between the 2nd and 3rd motos? How come herlings couldnt close that last 2 sec gap with 5 laps to go?

Huckster wrote: Barcia was good? You do know that Barcia was in back to back motos as well and pretty much beat every top 10 MX1 GP rider with the exception of Cairoli on a bike that he "normally" doesnt ride including Paulin who you claim was "impressive"....amazing the standards that you guys use to judge your favorites by but then don't extend the same to those who you do not fancy......

TMV wrote: Wow, you're way over sensitive. Two compliments, "Paulin was impressive", "Barcia rode good" and you still find a way to bash on him. OK, Barcia rode better than good to me in his last moto, but hey, the dude said something positiv, positiv!!

Huckster wrote: No not really but just can't figure out some of the logic used on here thats all....The more I think about it, the more impressive Justin's ride was in that 3rd moto. "Hardest track in the World", "roughest moto of the day", "back to back motos", "worlds best riders" and he proceeded to beat the majority of the GP's best MX 1 riders not to mention the MX 2 runner up.....I can find better words to describe that ride than "good", especially if I am going to call someone's ride who he beat "impressive"

Just go back two years to Unadilla and what was said about Clement Desalle and his ride by the GP fans......by the way, is Desalle a good sand rider?

Could always say DeDycker and Nagl were 'riding for the team'.

I heard that a lot before this weekend.

Desalle is a pretty good sand rider yeah, but he has been a bit off since his injury a few weeks back. I expected him to be faster than he was at Lommel to be honest.

Huckster wrote: No not really but just can't figure out some of the logic used on here thats all....The more I think about it, the more impressive Justin's ride was in that 3rd moto. "Hardest track in the World", "roughest moto of the day", "back to back motos", "worlds best riders" and he proceeded to beat the majority of the GP's best MX 1 riders not to mention the MX 2 runner up.....I can find better words to describe that ride than "good", especially if I am going to call someone's ride who he beat "impressive"

Just go back two years to Unadilla and what was said about Clement Desalle and his ride by the GP fans......by the way, is Desalle a good sand rider?

Clement is not known to be a sand specialist (he grew up riding in the french championship) but he is not that bad neither,..

Huckster wrote: they groomed the track between the 2nd and 3rd motos? How come herlings couldnt close that last 2 sec gap with 5 laps to go?

Tony turned it up and Herlings got held up by Guarneri
Helmet cam footage shows this perfectly,they almost came to a standstill

jamma10 wrote: Could always say DeDycker and Nagl were 'riding for the team'.

I heard that a lot before this weekend.

Desalle is a pretty good sand rider yeah, but he has been a bit off since his injury a few weeks back. I expected him to be faster than he was at Lommel to be honest.

Well, two different point of views, lol

TMV wrote: Well, two different point of views, lol

Thats a first!

He seems to go ok in the sand, but I know he often says he doesn't like riding it. Which is odd for a Belgian.

kev472 wrote: Yes man i stand by what i said

Barcia was good, his 3rd place finish was good, showed of his skills
But if you were there you would of seen he had lots of moment were he almost crashed

Paulin was impressive yes damn straight ,fastest lap time the first moto almost got to cairolli's wheel
for a rider from france,who grew up on hardpack

So what if Barcia doesn't ride a 450, Herlings doesn't ride a 350

Huckster wrote: LOLOLOL...You're right, "so what if Barcia doesnt ride a 450, Herlings doesnt ride a 350..." Exactly....do you even read what you write....You are the one who was using that (350) as an excuse as to why Cairoli beat him.....Not me.......You guys are making up more excuses for herlings losing in the 3rd moto than the Americans are for finishing 3rd.....

If you are using that as an excuse for Herlings, I am simply pointing out that what you called a "good" ride for Barcia was on a unfamiliar bike(like herlings) and included beating a guy who you said was "impressive" Yet all you can muster up to describe this ride is "good"

maybe its a language barrier thing again.....

kev472 wrote: Justin and Jeffrey are both rookies on the big bike
out of the 2 , jeffrey had the better result, am i not allowed to state this?

And i was only stating that Cairoli is used to riding that 350
I never said that Herlings was going to beat him, that's what you yourself implied

Can't you guys read, my first sentence i posted in this thread was: TRUE CAIROLI WAS THE FASTEST AND PROPS TO HIM

And thank god i'm allowed to have my own opinion: Yes to me Paulin almost catching Cairoli is impressive
and had the fastest lap time the first moto

You thinking Barcia was better than good is a difference of opinion, i meant it as a positive thing

No doubt...Herlings is on a totally different level than Justin and everyone but Cairoli at that race on that track......He was very impressive.....

jamma you could say that but then again so was Justin....Its not like the USA wasn't still in it and had nothing to ride for like AC and JH except personal glory.....

CalimeroFan wrote: Laptimes of Lommel don't say shit. Cairoli took the holeshot in race 3 and set that fastest laptime in the first lap on a track that was flattened at most places, while Jeffrey fell and had to go trough traffic the whole race. In the meanwhile he was way faster than Cairoli who was out and alone at front. When Jeffrey rode his fastest lap, in lap 3, he was at that time 2,5 seconds faster than Tony.
Cairoli was the first to cross the finishline so he deserved the win, that's true. But the whole world could see that Herlings was faster than Tony. He closed a 20 second gap in no time. But it is a 35 minute race so the only thing that counts in the end is who crosses the finishline as first.... Forget the laptimes.

Huckster wrote: they groomed the track between the 2nd and 3rd motos? How come herlings couldnt close that last 2 sec gap with 5 laps to go?

Take a look at the GoPro onboardimages of Herlings. He did close the gap but Guarneri, Cairoli's teammate, blocked Herlings when he was ready to attack Tony with about 2 laps to go. He blocked the raceline and braked so hard that they almost stood still... That's when Tony suddenly had a 3,5 second gap again. Go see the GoPro footage and you can see it for yourself.

cairoli set his fastest lap in the final moto on the first lap- after pulling the holeshot and having a completely clear track. Herlings was in trafic the whole race (he was into lappers by the time he got up to 2nd) - that and the fact the track was way rougher by the end of the race/ the fatugue factor

if you think herlings wouldnt have anything for cairoli in a straight up race in the sand then you're delusional. In my opinion (after going to the gp a few weeks ago) herlings would beat cairoli easily at lierop, and probably beat him at lommel too (it would be close) if they gate first and 2nd. Herlings only had half an hour break before the last moto, crashed in the first corner and injured his ribs and still managed to pass 39 riders and catch right up to toni. Great ride by both of them, laptimes dont mean alot in this instance

the only thing you can say for sure after watching the racing on sunday is that both herlings and cairoli are in a league of their own in the sand, nobody else is even close! i was disappointed that they didnt gate together in 1st and 2nd because it would have been a hell of a race if they did!

CalimeroFan wrote: Laptimes of Lommel don't say shit. Cairoli took the holeshot in race 3 and set that fastest laptime in the first lap on a track that was flattened at most places, while Jeffrey fell and had to go trough traffic the whole race. In the meanwhile he was way faster than Cairoli who was out and alone at front. When Jeffrey rode his fastest lap, in lap 3, he was at that time 2,5 seconds faster than Tony.
Cairoli was the first to cross the finishline so he deserved the win, that's true. But the whole world could see that Herlings was faster than Tony. He closed a 20 second gap in no time. But it is a 35 minute race so the only thing that counts in the end is who crosses the finishline as first.... Forget the laptimes.

I was there and the track wasn't flattened in 'most places' for the third moto!

jamma10 wrote: Could always say DeDycker and Nagl were 'riding for the team'.

I heard that a lot before this weekend.

Desalle is a pretty good sand rider yeah, but he has been a bit off since his injury a few weeks back. I expected him to be faster than he was at Lommel to be honest.

TMV wrote: Well, two different point of views, lol

jamma10 wrote: Thats a first!

He seems to go ok in the sand, but I know he often says he doesn't like riding it. Which is odd for a Belgian.

That's because when Clement was younger he used to race in france, never really rode much in the sand

I am happy with the outcome congratulations Tony

the rest of the world knows now what the Dutch attitude is

I say what I think, and do what I say!

jamma10 wrote: Thats a first!

He seems to go ok in the sand, but I know he often says he doesn't like riding it. Which is odd for a Belgian.

So in fact we do agree, lol, again... He's good, but nowhere near as good as Cairoli, Herlings. Ok, it makes a lot of average sand riders...

CalimeroFan wrote: Laptimes of Lommel don't say shit. Cairoli took the holeshot in race 3 and set that fastest laptime in the first lap on a track that was flattened at most places, while Jeffrey fell and had to go trough traffic the whole race. In the meanwhile he was way faster than Cairoli who was out and alone at front. When Jeffrey rode his fastest lap, in lap 3, he was at that time 2,5 seconds faster than Tony.
Cairoli was the first to cross the finishline so he deserved the win, that's true. But the whole world could see that Herlings was faster than Tony. He closed a 20 second gap in no time. But it is a 35 minute race so the only thing that counts in the end is who crosses the finishline as first.... Forget the laptimes.

St Ann More wrote: I was there and the track wasn't flattened in 'most places' for the third moto!

Right, and you saw the whole track? I don't where you were looking, probably at the girl behind the bar...
After the second race there were constantly 3 or 4 Bobcats and 1 bigger machine flattening the track at several place. They did a lot more and longer dan between moto 1 and 2. Saw it with my own eyes. We and a lot more guys were even yelling at them to stop and go away. A Belgian fan treatened to climb over the fence and knock this guy out of his Bobcat if he would continue.

kev472 wrote: True Cairoli was the fastest, and props to him

Doesn't tell the whole story though
The whole 3rd moto doesn't mean a thing,since Cairoli ripped the holeshot and had a clear track ahead of him
And Herlings crashed in the first corner, and had to deal with a whole lot of traffic from the beginning

on a 350 when he normally rides a 250, he's better on the 250

Paulin was pretty impressive
i expected more from Musquin,he used to be pretty good in the sand when he was still riding GP's

Barcia was good when he settled down and found his groove, instead of trying to over ride the track

TriRacer27 wrote: HAHAHA, man you Dutch guys just can't yield an inch to the true king of the sand can you? Cairoli slowed way down, that's why your guy was able to catch him.

Here's something for you to put on your waffle and chew on: Moto 2 Herlings got the holeshot and managed a 1:55.7 on his 2nd lap before presumably settling down to a slower pace. Moto 3, rougher track, Cairoli holeshots and gets a 1:54.7 on his first lap before slowing down. Both riders had a clear track and Cairoli had a rougher track to deal with and still was a whole second faster.

And your argument that he's better on a 250 is ridiculous. EVERYONE knows that.


Just admit it, Cairoli is the sand king for now, period. Herlings had his best shot and couldn't dethrone him.

Look at the first sentence i wrote!!!! TRUE TONY WAS FASTEST AND PROPS TO HIM

I think that says enough doesn't it

All i stated was 3rd moto

Cairoli with the holeshot ,clear track a 1.54 in lap 1

Herlings 1 turn crash in traffic a 1.57 in lap 2


maybe read a little bit better before you start pointing fingers