The importance of knee braces

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Edited Date/Time 3/14/2012 1:15am
Just thought i'd share a bit of a story with everyone on the importance of knee braces, I used to wear them up until recently when I sold them and decided to go with knee pads. Last weekend I was out doing some practice laps when I washed out in a corner and got my leg caught as the bike slid out resulting in my lower leg twisting outwards. So now i'm off the bike for a while with a torn MCL and ACL most likely needing surgery.

Heres a vid of it happening, it you watch the lower right of the screen you can see my boot and the angle my leg twisted at.

skip to 2:20 for the crash

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Big 3/10/2012 12:31am
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8 months from surgery.Don't ride earlier!! That sucks! Good luck with rehab.
Aussie_power_sports 3/10/2012 12:34am
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8 months from surgery.Don't ride earlier!! That sucks! Good luck with rehab.
8 months really?? at the moment the doc has said definite level 2 tear of mcl not sure if its complete and a tear of acl not sure of severity, going to get scans next week to find out more. only been back on the bike 6 months after having 2 years off after breaking my back.
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Sorry to hear that! Feel sorry for you. Really! Acl or Mcl Is pretty much the same surgery. To do both? You got the picture i guess. I'm helping a pro rider from time to time. He tored his Acl thanks to Fox pods weakness and had surgery in Belgium with Stefan Everts kneespecialist. The doc said careful riding after 4-5 months when leg was 85-90% size and strength. Small jump and everything cracked. also bonefragmen in joint came loose and expired new surgery 6 weeks. The knee/leg was strong enough but new ligament was still in process being....a ligament. During healing you just have to wait it out extra to be sure, avoiding a new rehab with maybe bigger chance to never being really good. So that's why minimum 7 month should be told by Doctors. Problem is they don't have a clue about MX. They think you only need to run a little or driving a car to Mc Donalds. I wish you the best of luck. Then get Cti or Donjoy handmade for you. DON'T listen to any smart-cheap-ass on this forum telling you this or that about kneeprotection. Heck you don't have to read this?Wink
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FIREfish148 3/10/2012 1:13am
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Dude... Thats fuggin nasty lookin! I feel for you man that sucks. I bet you were pretty damn glad you have an electric start at least huh?

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mx_563 3/10/2012 1:29am
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Would knee braces have prevented injury, or just transferred the load to your your lower leg causing a nasty tib/fib break?

I'm not being a smart-ass, I'm really curious because I've been on the fence regarding knee braces. You can ride back to the truck with torn ligaments but a compound fracture of a bone is something entirely different.
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mx757 3/10/2012 1:34am
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mx_563 wrote:
Would knee braces have prevented injury, or just transferred the load to your your lower leg causing a nasty tib/fib break? I'm not being a smart-ass...
Would knee braces have prevented injury, or just transferred the load to your your lower leg causing a nasty tib/fib break?

I'm not being a smart-ass, I'm really curious because I've been on the fence regarding knee braces. You can ride back to the truck with torn ligaments but a compound fracture of a bone is something entirely different.
Its always hard to say on those. Just like the people that hit the ground in any way and say the leatt saveed their life. Theres really no way to know,
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Big 3/10/2012 1:45am
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mx_563 wrote:
Would knee braces have prevented injury, or just transferred the load to your your lower leg causing a nasty tib/fib break? I'm not being a smart-ass...
Would knee braces have prevented injury, or just transferred the load to your your lower leg causing a nasty tib/fib break?

I'm not being a smart-ass, I'm really curious because I've been on the fence regarding knee braces. You can ride back to the truck with torn ligaments but a compound fracture of a bone is something entirely different.
Nothing or anything eccept Fox Pod. They will snap after x hours because the use of kevlar "rope" in joint that will break after x bendings. Their manual also sayes pretty much that it cant help you. Read the small text on that crap. Donjoy pay your Acl surgery if braking that using their protection. At least the did in England a year ago. Do you think Foc do that? With Chinamade shit? Ha Ha! They dont't give a shit about their users. Donjoy and Cti (Asterix) do!! Handmade real deal American "tractorpulling" stuff pretty much.
Aussie_power_sports 3/10/2012 3:02am
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Dude... Thats fuggin nasty lookin! I feel for you man that sucks. I bet you were pretty damn glad you have an electric start at least...
Dude... Thats fuggin nasty lookin! I feel for you man that sucks. I bet you were pretty damn glad you have an electric start at least huh?
Didn't end of riding home, crawled out from under the bike and stood it up. Someone ended up calling an Ambos, but defiantly wouldn't of been fun to kick start it.
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gharmon 3/10/2012 4:20am
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Aussie_power_sports wrote:
Just thought i'd share a bit of a story with everyone on the importance of knee braces, I used to wear them up until recently when...
Just thought i'd share a bit of a story with everyone on the importance of knee braces, I used to wear them up until recently when I sold them and decided to go with knee pads. Last weekend I was out doing some practice laps when I washed out in a corner and got my leg caught as the bike slid out resulting in my lower leg twisting outwards. So now i'm off the bike for a while with a torn MCL and ACL most likely needing surgery.

Heres a vid of it happening, it you watch the lower right of the screen you can see my boot and the angle my leg twisted at.

skip to 2:20 for the crash

On Oct. 29th I was going around a sweeper turn and the back end slid out just a tad. My left foot got caught on the ground and twisted= Torn ACL and Meniscus.

I'm currently two days post op on the repair. I just wished I would have had the braces. Bet when I start back riding I'll be getting me some. I'm too old to deal with this much pain!! LOL
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RACESTH639 3/10/2012 5:05am
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I will never ride without my knee braces. I tore my acl clean in half along with completely blowing out the meniscus as well back in 09 and had a surgery go wrong and due to it rode for a few years with no acl and last year almost 2 years to the day I blew out my meniscus again and decided to get a third reconstructive knee surgery. After the first one in 09 I got a very bad infection and had to have an emergency surgery to try and repair my acl and meniscus again but it completely failed. After all that I will never ride without knee braces but All of those injuries happened wearing EVS Web knee braces not the braces fault but dont want to think of what would've happened without those on.
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mj731 3/10/2012 5:09am
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I had a very similar thing happen to me with braces on. It still hurt but no surgery needed and as soon as it happened I was thankful that I was wearing them.
2strokerider 3/10/2012 5:16am
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mx_563 wrote:
Would knee braces have prevented injury, or just transferred the load to your your lower leg causing a nasty tib/fib break? I'm not being a smart-ass...
Would knee braces have prevented injury, or just transferred the load to your your lower leg causing a nasty tib/fib break?

I'm not being a smart-ass, I'm really curious because I've been on the fence regarding knee braces. You can ride back to the truck with torn ligaments but a compound fracture of a bone is something entirely different.
its possible- i tore my acl in half in 2005 and had to have a full re-construction. Started wearing knee braces after that until i broke my leg in 2010 (tib and fib in 5 places) the doctors said the break was most likely caused by the brace. Not wearing knee braces at the moment as i still have the rod in place (in my tibia)- im going to get it removed on wednesday, not sure what to do after that!
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its possible- i tore my acl in half in 2005 and had to have a full re-construction. Started wearing knee braces after that until i broke...
its possible- i tore my acl in half in 2005 and had to have a full re-construction. Started wearing knee braces after that until i broke my leg in 2010 (tib and fib in 5 places) the doctors said the break was most likely caused by the brace. Not wearing knee braces at the moment as i still have the rod in place (in my tibia)- im going to get it removed on wednesday, not sure what to do after that!
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Big 3/10/2012 8:21am
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I will never ride without my knee braces. I tore my acl clean in half along with completely blowing out the meniscus as well back in...
I will never ride without my knee braces. I tore my acl clean in half along with completely blowing out the meniscus as well back in 09 and had a surgery go wrong and due to it rode for a few years with no acl and last year almost 2 years to the day I blew out my meniscus again and decided to get a third reconstructive knee surgery. After the first one in 09 I got a very bad infection and had to have an emergency surgery to try and repair my acl and meniscus again but it completely failed. After all that I will never ride without knee braces but All of those injuries happened wearing EVS Web knee braces not the braces fault but dont want to think of what would've happened without those on.
You wrote EVS?. The thing is that you need kneebraces fit perfect for you and standard sizes can't give you that. I also heard Everts never wearing kneebraces but only from people not knowing him. His doctor told me he been there a couple of times (more than many). I read an intervju with Dr D. He said he always had his kneebraces with him whatever he travels for riding otherwise he had big trouble riding at all.(Cti i remember) Donjoy is Cariolis choice and roumur said he was riding with destroyed Acl?That's also not verified at all. Unfortenatly they cost around 1800 each side depending on material etc. Cti is much cheaper when we where asking around. I personally never used them because if you had them you where handicaped kind of. (doc orded one for u). If you blow a knee they cut you up totally and put a cast on for 6 months! THEN 6 months rehab.Hell i started with a plastic cup in the leather pants.......Laughing Back then when men where real men? Blahblahblah.Wink
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its possible- i tore my acl in half in 2005 and had to have a full re-construction. Started wearing knee braces after that until i broke...
its possible- i tore my acl in half in 2005 and had to have a full re-construction. Started wearing knee braces after that until i broke my leg in 2010 (tib and fib in 5 places) the doctors said the break was most likely caused by the brace. Not wearing knee braces at the moment as i still have the rod in place (in my tibia)- im going to get it removed on wednesday, not sure what to do after that!
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i thought that everts used to wear braces until the big crash he had at beucaire pre season international (absolutely wrecking his knee) then publically said that it was the knee braces that had made the injury so severe, and wouldnt wear them anymore
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Big 3/10/2012 8:54am
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i thought that everts used to wear braces until the big crash he had at beucaire pre season international (absolutely wrecking his knee) then publically said...
i thought that everts used to wear braces until the big crash he had at beucaire pre season international (absolutely wrecking his knee) then publically said that it was the knee braces that had made the injury so severe, and wouldnt wear them anymore
Never heard but very interesting. Also a roumur or? Ive heard so much so i'm little hard to convince sometimes.Wink
steedmills 3/10/2012 8:55am
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You wrote EVS?. The thing is that you need kneebraces fit perfect for you and standard sizes can't give you that. I also heard Everts never...
You wrote EVS?. The thing is that you need kneebraces fit perfect for you and standard sizes can't give you that. I also heard Everts never wearing kneebraces but only from people not knowing him. His doctor told me he been there a couple of times (more than many). I read an intervju with Dr D. He said he always had his kneebraces with him whatever he travels for riding otherwise he had big trouble riding at all.(Cti i remember) Donjoy is Cariolis choice and roumur said he was riding with destroyed Acl?That's also not verified at all. Unfortenatly they cost around 1800 each side depending on material etc. Cti is much cheaper when we where asking around. I personally never used them because if you had them you where handicaped kind of. (doc orded one for u). If you blow a knee they cut you up totally and put a cast on for 6 months! THEN 6 months rehab.Hell i started with a plastic cup in the leather pants.......Laughing Back then when men where real men? Blahblahblah.Wink
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Dr D is Doug Dubach. Dr T Claus is around Eindhoven i recall? He was one of two on the must-have list but Dr Gheisjelings (spelling like crap) is in Belgium at AC Eeklo. I think those two have half the GP-circus. Dr van vlerken or something was the guru back in the days but he must be overage now? (around Lommel) He also took care of weak mx-riders in the 80-90s. And that is not only roumurs....

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steedmills 3/10/2012 9:24am
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Dr D is Doug Dubach. Dr T Claus is around Eindhoven i recall? He was one of two on the must-have list but Dr Gheisjelings (spelling...
Dr D is Doug Dubach. Dr T Claus is around Eindhoven i recall? He was one of two on the must-have list but Dr Gheisjelings (spelling like crap) is in Belgium at AC Eeklo. I think those two have half the GP-circus. Dr van vlerken or something was the guru back in the days but he must be overage now? (around Lommel) He also took care of weak mx-riders in the 80-90s. And that is not only roumurs....
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BigDaddyG 3/10/2012 9:37am
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Sorry to hear about your knee man! I have been kicking around the idea of getting knee braces, my insurance pays for all but $198 for both Ossur/CTi braces but I have a $300 deductable costing me a total of $500. I have had the money several times but decide to put it into the bike, redoing my kids room, new helmet, etc.......the list goes on.

I now know that is something I have to move up on the priority list.

Hopefully you will be shredding the local Aussie tracks sooner than 8 months! Get well man!
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Good luck! be careful and rehab serius and you be fine!
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JackLHyde 3/10/2012 10:10am
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I tried two years to get along with braces but with no luck. Felt so uncomfortable to me and I couldn't grip the bike. I even crashed a couple times and blame it on too little control. Trying to sell the Donjoys now.
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adam455 3/10/2012 10:38am
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Would knee braces have prevented injury, or just transferred the load to your your lower leg causing a nasty tib/fib break? I'm not being a smart-ass...
Would knee braces have prevented injury, or just transferred the load to your your lower leg causing a nasty tib/fib break?

I'm not being a smart-ass, I'm really curious because I've been on the fence regarding knee braces. You can ride back to the truck with torn ligaments but a compound fracture of a bone is something entirely different.
Broken bones may seem more severe and maybe more painful but they usually take a hell of a lot less time to heal. So i would rather take a bone break than a tendon pop IMO
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bullpen58 3/10/2012 12:16pm
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I have worn Asterisks religiously since about 2000. They won't prevent all injuries but I am sure they help.
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I tried two years to get along with braces but with no luck. Felt so uncomfortable to me and I couldn't grip the bike. I even...
I tried two years to get along with braces but with no luck. Felt so uncomfortable to me and I couldn't grip the bike. I even crashed a couple times and blame it on too little control. Trying to sell the Donjoys now.
Yepp! Rider said so in the beginning. took little time to get used to. Donjoys are a little wider than Cti or Evs. At least the rider i support sayes so. But do you have the alumi type or kevlar? We changed the soft stuff on the inside of the kneebraces (against the bikeframe) for thinner that they had, and it was better. He also have the all-kevlar model and i belive they are smoother. If he was living in the states he would maybe get the Cti? In Sweden he got support from Donjoys because the salesteam are very forward here. Cti is not even close here. Evs is big but not making special for you, only standardsizes.
In my opinion you can of course by whatever you wan't if it is rigid and fits good. As long you don't use the Fox pods and for sure gonna get a chocking surprise. I'm very curios what type Johnny Decotis was using? Anyone have a clue?
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I forgot. He used Asterix and liked them very much. Had to buy 3 pair a year before he changed to Pods and blow his knee with that Chinashit. And no they where not old. (second pair in 4 months) And yes we are still good friends with Fox salesman in Sweden. Its not his fault he has to sell everything from them.
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WhipMeister 3/10/2012 1:55pm
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Length of recovery from ACL/MCL surgery is highly dependent on the type of graft, allo or arko (basically donor tendon versus your own tendon to replace the ligament). Donor requires a much longer recovery, but is less painful. Your own parts, you can be cleared in as little as three months (I was). I now have a donor surgery pending on my other knee.
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YZ125H1 3/10/2012 2:17pm
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Can knee braces also break your femur? I wish i could get a pair but they are far too expensive for me ive never considered riding with knee protection at all this might make me reconsider that.
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I don't see how braces can help any injury caused by a twisting motion? Hold your wrist and rotate your hand, you can still twist it.

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