The Shift vs Seven Comparison - Interview

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So with last week's announcement of Shift's new Blue Label gear, there were some comments pointed towards copying Seven for design.

If you're interested: I spoke to Dave Durham, Fox's Creative Director, about this during an interview I did with Ken's switch and the launch of the gear here...

http://www.vitalmx.com/photos/features/First-Look-Shift-Blue-Label-and-…

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Motofinne 1/13/2017 12:04pm
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Good interview ML! It seems like they really stepped up. I like that they removed the liner from the pants, there is no need of that in a MX pant in 2017!
johnnypotato123 1/13/2017 12:21pm
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Good interview, the gear seems pretty high tech. But the fact still remains that it looks like Seven gear, I know with the material they used it really limits what they can do but I feel like with all the effort that went into it they could of done a better job making it look more original.
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I was looking at the new gear in my local shop, I won't be spending my money on it. The pants feel like they're made from some sort of paper and the shirt neck looks like it's been cut with a blunt knife.
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johnnypotato123 wrote:
Good interview, the gear seems pretty high tech. But the fact still remains that it looks like Seven gear, I know with the material they used...
Good interview, the gear seems pretty high tech. But the fact still remains that it looks like Seven gear, I know with the material they used it really limits what they can do but I feel like with all the effort that went into it they could of done a better job making it look more original.
No, Seven gear looks like Shift gear ....
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twotwosix 1/13/2017 12:36pm
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The whole "it looks like Seven gear" thing cracks me up.

This is just the new way gear is being designed and Seven got there first. 5 years ago, we weren't saying that "Oh Fox,Thor and MSR gear all look the same because its all baggy and doesn't fit well."
johnnypotato123 1/13/2017 12:48pm
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twotwosix wrote:
The whole "it looks like Seven gear" thing cracks me up. This is just the new way gear is being designed and Seven got there first...
The whole "it looks like Seven gear" thing cracks me up.

This is just the new way gear is being designed and Seven got there first. 5 years ago, we weren't saying that "Oh Fox,Thor and MSR gear all look the same because its all baggy and doesn't fit well."
I would say Thor was second to the "tight sleeve" thing and they did a good job at making it look unique. When I saw this gear I was reminded of Seven, maybe because the logo looks like seven I don't know (which I know Shift did have it before Seven was a thing). If every gear company starts just slapping their logo on the front of the jersey with tight sleeves I think we're gonna have problems.
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twotwosix 1/13/2017 12:58pm
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johnnypotato123 wrote:
I would say Thor was second to the "tight sleeve" thing and they did a good job at making it look unique. When I saw this...
I would say Thor was second to the "tight sleeve" thing and they did a good job at making it look unique. When I saw this gear I was reminded of Seven, maybe because the logo looks like seven I don't know (which I know Shift did have it before Seven was a thing). If every gear company starts just slapping their logo on the front of the jersey with tight sleeves I think we're gonna have problems.
Get ready for problems then. Laughing

Compression is the new 'it' trend in gear...
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ML512 1/13/2017 1:01pm
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twotwosix wrote:
The whole "it looks like Seven gear" thing cracks me up. This is just the new way gear is being designed and Seven got there first...
The whole "it looks like Seven gear" thing cracks me up.

This is just the new way gear is being designed and Seven got there first. 5 years ago, we weren't saying that "Oh Fox,Thor and MSR gear all look the same because its all baggy and doesn't fit well."
johnnypotato123 wrote:
I would say Thor was second to the "tight sleeve" thing and they did a good job at making it look unique. When I saw this...
I would say Thor was second to the "tight sleeve" thing and they did a good job at making it look unique. When I saw this gear I was reminded of Seven, maybe because the logo looks like seven I don't know (which I know Shift did have it before Seven was a thing). If every gear company starts just slapping their logo on the front of the jersey with tight sleeves I think we're gonna have problems.
Thor's primefit gear was released to the public nearly a year before Seven's Zero Compression jerseys.
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ML512 wrote:
Thor's primefit gear was released to the public nearly a year before Seven's Zero Compression jerseys.
True, but Prime Fit and the tighter Seven stuff vary quite a bit.
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AXO beat everyone to compression type jerseys, but it didn't catch on until a major company started doing it.
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johnnypotato123 wrote:
Good interview, the gear seems pretty high tech. But the fact still remains that it looks like Seven gear, I know with the material they used...
Good interview, the gear seems pretty high tech. But the fact still remains that it looks like Seven gear, I know with the material they used it really limits what they can do but I feel like with all the effort that went into it they could of done a better job making it look more original.
kiwifan wrote:
No, Seven gear looks like Shift gear ....
I would like to know how you came up with that?
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mmcmx 1/13/2017 3:04pm
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reynardfan1 wrote:
I would like to know how you came up with that?
Just look at Chad's gear from 11,12,13...
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80% of moto gear is made in the same factories - All of the brands are seeing what competitor brands are doing so the copy each other thing has been happening for years.... SHIFT did not copy Seven but they share a similar minimalist design aesthetic that I feel is inspired by the traditional sports brands, Nike, Adidas, Under Armor, etc. Its not about tight sleeves, slimmer fits or "compression fits", - its about innovative fabrics, technical materials and construction and creating products that enhance the rider experience and overall performance. I say bravo SHIFT MX - new stuff looks great, keep it up!
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Motodave15 1/13/2017 3:57pm
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should have called it the- shift: Slevin label

Because its that close of a rip-off
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reynardfan1 wrote:
I would like to know how you came up with that?
mmcmx wrote:
Just look at Chad's gear from 11,12,13...
Im just not seeing it...

this is

2012 correct?

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reynardfan1 wrote:
I would like to know how you came up with that?
mmcmx wrote:
Just look at Chad's gear from 11,12,13...
reynardfan1 wrote:
Im just not seeing it... this is [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/01/13/168899/s1200_2012_la_supercross_chad_reed_wallpaper_1.jpg[/img] 2012 correct?
Im just not seeing it...

this is

2012 correct?

I guess I see the

resemblance...but not the compression part...

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nascarnate326 1/13/2017 4:14pm
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Im beginning to like it but I'm sure that it would look like shit on a bigger guy.
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twotwosix wrote:
The whole "it looks like Seven gear" thing cracks me up. This is just the new way gear is being designed and Seven got there first...
The whole "it looks like Seven gear" thing cracks me up.

This is just the new way gear is being designed and Seven got there first. 5 years ago, we weren't saying that "Oh Fox,Thor and MSR gear all look the same because its all baggy and doesn't fit well."
johnnypotato123 wrote:
I would say Thor was second to the "tight sleeve" thing and they did a good job at making it look unique. When I saw this...
I would say Thor was second to the "tight sleeve" thing and they did a good job at making it look unique. When I saw this gear I was reminded of Seven, maybe because the logo looks like seven I don't know (which I know Shift did have it before Seven was a thing). If every gear company starts just slapping their logo on the front of the jersey with tight sleeves I think we're gonna have problems.
ML512 wrote:
Thor's primefit gear was released to the public nearly a year before Seven's Zero Compression jerseys.
Yea but Seven had the compression gear for a while before they released it... So I'm guessing Thor recognized that was the way to go and got it to the public before Seven did.
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reynardfan1 wrote:
I would like to know how you came up with that?
mmcmx wrote:
Just look at Chad's gear from 11,12,13...
I don't know how this is even being disputed... The timelines show Shift's aesthetic styling since before Seven was even a company!

Shift had the old octagon-like S logo in 2010 (JGR mx) and then re-intrdocued the angled "S" and the big bold angular clean lines as per the current in 2011 with Reed. Seven was established in 2013 ffs

The only thing that Shift have "copied" is they're now doing compression wear, which, when we all stop sucking each other's brand off, is just underarmour, or skins, or fucking bike shorts.
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TeamGreen 1/13/2017 4:30pm
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1. A certain person owes us a disclaimer that might explain why he's so knowledgeable on Fox/Shift gear...
2. That was very cool to hear ...and have the design intent explained so thoroughly was very nice.
3. What factory a product comes out of isn't an issue: the design and quality standards to which it's produced ARE THE issues that I would think matters. I'm thinking this is Fox, they make good stuff. Tho, I do wish more of this stuff was made here.

I'm jus' sayin'...
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johnnypotato123 wrote:
I would say Thor was second to the "tight sleeve" thing and they did a good job at making it look unique. When I saw this...
I would say Thor was second to the "tight sleeve" thing and they did a good job at making it look unique. When I saw this gear I was reminded of Seven, maybe because the logo looks like seven I don't know (which I know Shift did have it before Seven was a thing). If every gear company starts just slapping their logo on the front of the jersey with tight sleeves I think we're gonna have problems.
ML512 wrote:
Thor's primefit gear was released to the public nearly a year before Seven's Zero Compression jerseys.
Harambe wrote:
Yea but Seven had the compression gear for a while before they released it... So I'm guessing Thor recognized that was the way to go and...
Yea but Seven had the compression gear for a while before they released it... So I'm guessing Thor recognized that was the way to go and got it to the public before Seven did.
But the Thor stuff isn't compression. It's a slimmer style fit, but notcompression material. It's also a one piece jersey, not a two piece bib with seperate compression jersey like Seven. (Which has been mentioned multiple times that AXO was the first to do that design).
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ML512 1/13/2017 4:39pm
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Crush wrote:
I don't know how this is even being disputed... The timelines show Shift's aesthetic styling since before Seven was even a company! Shift had the old...
I don't know how this is even being disputed... The timelines show Shift's aesthetic styling since before Seven was even a company!

Shift had the old octagon-like S logo in 2010 (JGR mx) and then re-intrdocued the angled "S" and the big bold angular clean lines as per the current in 2011 with Reed. Seven was established in 2013 ffs

The only thing that Shift have "copied" is they're now doing compression wear, which, when we all stop sucking each other's brand off, is just underarmour, or skins, or fucking bike shorts.
Listen to the interview, it's not compression.
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Crush 1/13/2017 4:40pm
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JGR SHIFT MX 2010


The very first Chad Reed replica Shift gear 2011 for TwoTwo.


James in Answer 2012 Outdoors.


Seven launches 2013. This is James' Anaheim 1 gear... Which as a starting point is further away and then they got more like Shift!

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ML512 1/13/2017 4:40pm
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ML512 wrote:
Thor's primefit gear was released to the public nearly a year before Seven's Zero Compression jerseys.
twotwosix wrote:
True, but Prime Fit and the tighter Seven stuff vary quite a bit.
Exactly.
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Someone post up Malcoms latest instagram post
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ML512 wrote:
Listen to the interview, it's not compression.
I don't care that it is or isn't, the slim fit look whatever you want to call it. Like I said, bike shorts, under armour, skins, etc... they did that first. And Seven were behind AXO for MX also.

I'm answering the people saying it graphically looks like this or that...
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IceMan446 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/01/13/168903/s1200_IMG_0802.jpg[/img]


Hahaha, I love Malcolm. I guess we can narrow down the list of potential gear sponsors he might have in the future though Laughing

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