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Edited Date/Time 12/12/2014 11:38am
http://racerxonline.com/2014/12/09/between-the-motos-roger-decoster

One thing I thought when reading this, Roger talks a lot about the engineers wanting static conditions...

Who's gonna be the first factory team to build a big ass warehouse roof over their test tracks?

Privacy. Consistent conditions. Hell an open roof and some lights and they could replicate Anaheim changing in the evening... Seems the next step to me!
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Crush 12/10/2014 1:30am
12/10/2014 1:30am Edited Date/Time 12/10/2014 1:30am
Second time I've done that this week... though I've had gastro and fuck all sleep so...

Point still stands tho!
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Spydee 12/10/2014 1:32am
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He sounds really bummed out that Kenny left the team... unusual that a well respected manager like Roger doesn't even really know why he chose to leave.
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ocscottie 12/10/2014 2:01am
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I am still so nervous about the whole Kenny deal i dont even like to think about it Dizzy GOSH i hope it was the right decision!

I really love what KTM is doing in the sport, and that new bike sure looks good...i also really enjoyed the piece Michael did "Inside KTM's Factory Editions"

I guess only time will tell if he made the right decision...or not. Blink
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Crush 12/10/2014 2:07am
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Who you nervous for Scottie? Kenny or KTM? They'll both be fine!

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motodriller 12/10/2014 3:37am
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So,it sounds like kenny might have a bout with karma next year. Ktm helped him win the title then he leaves with no explanation. I wonder what realy happened there.
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Spydee 12/10/2014 3:47am
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I am still so nervous about the whole Kenny deal i dont even like to think about it :S GOSH i hope it was the right...
I am still so nervous about the whole Kenny deal i dont even like to think about it Dizzy GOSH i hope it was the right decision!

I really love what KTM is doing in the sport, and that new bike sure looks good...i also really enjoyed the piece Michael did "Inside KTM's Factory Editions"

I guess only time will tell if he made the right decision...or not. Blink
People questioned Lewis Hamilton's decision to leave top dogs McLaren for a below par Mercedes outfit back in 2012, and look at him now, top of the world with the F1 2014 title.

If anyone can follow suit and prove people wrong, it's Kenny on his RCH Suzuki.
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Gringoe 12/10/2014 5:42am
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Yes Kenny lost the man, but gained the goat...

I'd rather have the goat and the bike that I'm comfy on
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IWreckALot 12/10/2014 5:47am
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motodriller wrote:
So,it sounds like kenny might have a bout with karma next year. Ktm helped him win the title then he leaves with no explanation. I wonder...
So,it sounds like kenny might have a bout with karma next year. Ktm helped him win the title then he leaves with no explanation. I wonder what realy happened there.
First of all, karma isn't a thing.

Second of all, Roczen fulfilled his contractual obligation to KTM so there's not further obligation to stick around. There are just some changes a person wants and from reading between the lines, KRoc wanted a change that KTM couldn't fulfill. . . The only two things are either the bike, or he just wanted to work with Ricky and his team. Given Decoster's demeanor, I would very surprised if it were anything other than those two things because Decoster seems like he was willing to fix ANYTHING in his power to keep Kenny.

I also think Decoster is bummed, but he's rather level headed and realizes that he can't keep a rider for an eternity. I'm really curious to see what happens to Dungey when his contract expires.
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motodriller 12/10/2014 6:16am
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Time will tell on the karma thing.

Go quit your job without giving a reason and see what kind of a reference you get.

Just saying moving on without giving your boss any reason is not very professional. That's the way it is. So fuck off!
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mxrose3 12/10/2014 6:22am
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I think Roczen probably said 'Its Dungey or me'. I don't think it was a secret that they weren't best buddy's.
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Spydee 12/10/2014 6:30am
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motodriller wrote:
Time will tell on the karma thing. Go quit your job without giving a reason and see what kind of a reference you get. Just saying...
Time will tell on the karma thing.

Go quit your job without giving a reason and see what kind of a reference you get.

Just saying moving on without giving your boss any reason is not very professional. That's the way it is. So fuck off!
I don't know what the laws in the States are like, but here it's illegal to give a "bad" reference - it must be fair and accurate, regardless of whether the person is a cnut or not.
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Frodad78 12/10/2014 6:38am
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motodriller wrote:
Time will tell on the karma thing. Go quit your job without giving a reason and see what kind of a reference you get. Just saying...
Time will tell on the karma thing.

Go quit your job without giving a reason and see what kind of a reference you get.

Just saying moving on without giving your boss any reason is not very professional. That's the way it is. So fuck off!
Spydee wrote:
I don't know what the laws in the States are like, but here it's illegal to give a "bad" reference - it must be fair and...
I don't know what the laws in the States are like, but here it's illegal to give a "bad" reference - it must be fair and accurate, regardless of whether the person is a cnut or not.
In the states you can't ask a former employer anything about a potential hire except for the dates of when they were employed. Anything else is a big no no.
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Spydee 12/10/2014 6:40am
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Ahh must be the same then!
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Kawaboy14 12/10/2014 6:48am
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Spydee wrote:
He sounds really bummed out that Kenny left the team... unusual that a well respected manager like Roger doesn't even really know why he chose to...
He sounds really bummed out that Kenny left the team... unusual that a well respected manager like Roger doesn't even really know why he chose to leave.
He knows why, he just can't believe that he left because he didn't like the bike.

Decoder "your winning, how can you not like the bike?"
RocZen "I dont, I throw up a little each night worrying about those 3 sections on the track I feel like the bike is gonna slam dance me in!"
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bents 12/10/2014 6:50am
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Kenny went to a team that is working with a platform that is old, and while there is no question the bike still works, is Suzuki burning the midnight oil to keep up with the rest of the pack, especially KTM? And spending the R & D dough to do it? Look at their 250, it is old.

He is going to a great team with factory backing and all, but how many OEMs just knocked 10 lbs off their 450's? And that is WITH e start! I'm a big fan of the kid and he is the guy to beat IMHO, and I assume he believes the bike is up to the task.
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lostboy819 12/10/2014 6:51am
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motodriller wrote:
Time will tell on the karma thing. Go quit your job without giving a reason and see what kind of a reference you get. Just saying...
Time will tell on the karma thing.

Go quit your job without giving a reason and see what kind of a reference you get.

Just saying moving on without giving your boss any reason is not very professional. That's the way it is. So fuck off!
References in MX LaughingLaughingLaughing I am surprised Kenny got a ride without a reference, lol
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Kawaboy14 12/10/2014 6:57am
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bents wrote:
Kenny went to a team that is working with a platform that is old, and while there is no question the bike still works, is Suzuki...
Kenny went to a team that is working with a platform that is old, and while there is no question the bike still works, is Suzuki burning the midnight oil to keep up with the rest of the pack, especially KTM? And spending the R & D dough to do it? Look at their 250, it is old.

He is going to a great team with factory backing and all, but how many OEMs just knocked 10 lbs off their 450's? And that is WITH e start! I'm a big fan of the kid and he is the guy to beat IMHO, and I assume he believes the bike is up to the task.
Plus he gets free tattoos.

Making payments on tattoos was getting old!
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motodriller 12/10/2014 7:01am
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You can sure tell the employees from the employers in this thread.

I guess I am expecting to much.

Burned bridges can make travel tough.

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motodriller 12/10/2014 7:19am
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Put yourself in Decosters shoes. He gave kenny everthing he could wich won them the title. Then left with no explanation. Is that not what happened????????
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Kawaboy14 12/10/2014 7:36am
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motodriller wrote:
Put yourself in Decosters shoes. He gave kenny everthing he could wich won them the title. Then left with no explanation. Is that not what happened????????
No.....Kenny told him why! He just can't believe/accept it!
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Spydee 12/10/2014 8:26am
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motodriller wrote:
You can sure tell the employees from the employers in this thread.

I guess I am expecting to much.

Burned bridges can make travel tough.

Out of curiosity, which category do I fall under? Laughing
GeorgiePorgie 12/10/2014 8:28am
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ocscottie wrote:
I am still so nervous about the whole Kenny deal i dont even like to think about it :S GOSH i hope it was the right...
I am still so nervous about the whole Kenny deal i dont even like to think about it Dizzy GOSH i hope it was the right decision!

I really love what KTM is doing in the sport, and that new bike sure looks good...i also really enjoyed the piece Michael did "Inside KTM's Factory Editions"

I guess only time will tell if he made the right decision...or not. Blink
Kenny did just fine on the yeller bikes over the pond....he'll do just fine on this side of the pond.
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seth505 12/10/2014 8:32am
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motodriller wrote:
Time will tell on the karma thing. Go quit your job without giving a reason and see what kind of a reference you get. Just saying...
Time will tell on the karma thing.

Go quit your job without giving a reason and see what kind of a reference you get.

Just saying moving on without giving your boss any reason is not very professional. That's the way it is. So fuck off!
There is a difference between leaving with no thorough explanation and leaving while telling them to suck a D. You are free to leave a job whenever you want, there is no karma there...
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motodriller 12/10/2014 8:51am
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I thought it said no explanation. That in my book in saying suck a D. I'm sure he said something. Journalists can stir things up sometimes. Whatever. Rant over.
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leighracer 12/10/2014 8:54am
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De Coster knows why, he's just not going to air dirty laundry.
Crisp BRAAAP! 12/10/2014 9:03am
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I don't understand why there's mystery: Kenny said it was the bike and that he wanted the Suzuki back. Point blank. What's to guess about?

Last summer, there were some public spats between KTM and himself and it seems clear that he wasn't happy with the bike. I think it's also clear that they weren't always happy with him, and probably were hard on him when he was winded late in the outdoor season again.

But Kenny said point blank it is the bike and not money or anything else: why are people saying "no explanation"?
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crusty_xx 12/10/2014 9:16am
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bents wrote:
Kenny went to a team that is working with a platform that is old, and while there is no question the bike still works, is Suzuki...
Kenny went to a team that is working with a platform that is old, and while there is no question the bike still works, is Suzuki burning the midnight oil to keep up with the rest of the pack, especially KTM? And spending the R & D dough to do it? Look at their 250, it is old.

He is going to a great team with factory backing and all, but how many OEMs just knocked 10 lbs off their 450's? And that is WITH e start! I'm a big fan of the kid and he is the guy to beat IMHO, and I assume he believes the bike is up to the task.
Stewart Desalle and Strijbos dont look that bad on the old bikes... Its not like its an Aprilia
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IceMan446 12/10/2014 12:01pm
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bents wrote:
Kenny went to a team that is working with a platform that is old, and while there is no question the bike still works, is Suzuki...
Kenny went to a team that is working with a platform that is old, and while there is no question the bike still works, is Suzuki burning the midnight oil to keep up with the rest of the pack, especially KTM? And spending the R & D dough to do it? Look at their 250, it is old.

He is going to a great team with factory backing and all, but how many OEMs just knocked 10 lbs off their 450's? And that is WITH e start! I'm a big fan of the kid and he is the guy to beat IMHO, and I assume he believes the bike is up to the task.
He has said that he didn't care for the bike and didn't feel confident on it.

The suspension is below par compared to the other Manufactures and knocking 10 lbs off the bike isnt going to make him feel any comfortable on it.

Its no surprise to me that he left.

Not to mention, he wanted to be the top guy on a team, not play second fiddle to Rogers golden boy.



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Trav138 12/10/2014 12:27pm
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Roger has left a few guys hanging in the dark, so maybe a little taste of it himself is a good thing.

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