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I swear, mx fans have turned into whiney bitches.
As for 4 stroke VS. 2 stroke. I we really arguing over this? That's like arguing over good looking women! I don't have to hate blondes to like brunettes. I may love one more, but I'm still a fan of the other as well. I love the old days too- hell I'm trying to get myself a vintage racer as I type this, plus I own a YZ250, but I love how easy it is to get around the track on my new school thumper too! This whole issue really comes down to market factors and how the OE's respond them- not whetther Matthes agree's with your point of veiw on 2 strokes VS 4 strokes. Last time I checked, no one on this board is working at and OE planning future models, so no need to personally attack anyone becasue it's not changing anything anyways. Renner has probably shown the most level head in this whole deal- loves to race, knows the most competetive machine is a thumper. Figures he's not out there making a living anyways, so lets have a good time by spicing things up with a 2 stroke. Kudos to Renner for doing things for the right reasons- the love of our sport regardless of machine choice!
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Maybe he's a great guy and I'm the idiot here. I just haven't liked the development of his "character" over the past few seasons.
Seems as though I'm not the only one, but as I said, I could be totally wrong about the guy. I could also be totally spot on.
As far as having an "odd chip on my shoulder", I don't see it.
Makes me laugh every time you post.
First up is you.
Congrats.
P.S- I'll split the $20 bucks with you.
(Frankly I thought the dialogue between Matthes and Weedge was sarcastic gold.)
PulpMX is all things PRO racing with riders personalities, race recaps and cool or not so cool stories of that whole scene. It is not intended to help or promote a few blue collar 4 stroke haters in some lame attempt to feel better about owning these underpowered dying collectors items. 2Ts have, for the most part, turned into a hobby for fun and conversation, than a tool to beat the next guy to the checkers at the local or ameteur races.
....and yes, I miss the smell of Anaheim Stadium 1986, but not at the expense of losing a race now, (believe me I need all the help I can get on the track too), and thats the story for 98% of everyone on here, another strong argument for the thumper.
They are faster and faster costs more money....period, and PulpMx or Pro moto dudes do not profit from 2T sales on any level.
Pit Row
People need to understand that the issue is not 2 strokes vs 4 strokes as in one is better than the other, but cc for cc equality which is obviously absent from todays pro racing.
2 strokes are great motocross bikes with their obvious pros and cons.
4 strokes are also great motocross bikes with their obvious pros and cons.
It is great that amateur motocross is progressive enough to level the playing field, but I'm talking about pro racing. Why not level the playing field? Can any four stroke junkie here give me a straight answer as to why you really need twice the displacement anymore? I mean a real logical answer as to why four strokes TODAY, still deserve their handicap that was given to them to actually make competitive.
I mean I thought two strokes sucked, that is what all you guys say especially Matthes, so why are you so diligent to keep them out of racing? If they suck then the results will show that, and no one would race them.
If you level the playing field, you give the consumer options. Consumers love choices, and it would make the racing absolutely fantastic, two strokes vs four strokes with different rider styles attributing to the various style and line choices, the passing would just be awesome.
But, like everything, it all comes down to $$$$ and the pro racing scene is all about that green. Sucks but that is life.
Bullshit.
They don't give two shits that the sport is dying. Or don't they even know? What are the 10 guys from every state do to qualify for illiterate lynns when the local tracks are gone? Are they going to wait until it's too late? They can't blame it on the economy anymore. The gates are still empty. Bike shops are still closing. Used two strokes have dried up. No such thing as a used thumper.
If none of the websites or magazines give a shit that's cool. I stopped following baseball after little league. I stopped following football after playing high school ball. I don't live vicariously through the actions of others. When I am done riding/racing I will stop following this sport.
Let the pro riders buy all the bikes, boots, helmets, parts, etc. Oh wait they get that all for free. And since the local riders are gone the companies can absorb the loss with zero sales. Yeah that math works. Let the pro's have websites were they can talk to themselves about themselves. Oh wait Twitter already does that.
If the Mcf's, major aftermarket companies, magazines, websites, etc do not give a damn about local racing dying off faster than a herion addict than so be it. I had my time in the sun. Full gates. New bikes every year. New gear every couple months.
There is no reason to race any more at the local level. It started 10 years ago when practice day's were slammed on then on Sunday the gates were empty. The 2 stroke guys stayed home. The thumper guys showed up. 5-7 per gate. Since the 2 stroke guys have to race vintage bikes they should be allowed to race double the displacement of the thumpers not half.
I don't give a shit about 2 strokes other than if not for the thumpers the buying public would still participate. The media does not get it. I am done with Racer X because of Weigant's rants and done with Pulpmx because of Matthes bashing.
Start cross marketing with the monster truck crowd, the fmx crowd, rodeo and drag racing crowd, etc since they think this sport is only a entertainment industry. The attendance numbers are there. Market your shit to them not the moto crowd since you don't give a shit about us. See how many monster truck people follow your shit.
It's not a engine design battle it's a participation level battle. Do something about it or alienate and piss off your audience or find a new one. We will and already have started to after this weeks show.
THEY ARE CRITICAL TO THE SPORT
just between you and me I think Rodger knows his shit.
The guys making the most noise in this thread are the ones who tuned in especially and didn't end up liking what Renner and Matthes had to say about two strokes in modern professional racing.
I love two strokes, I grew up racing and watching them. I'm also from England where tracks are being shut down left right and centre due to the noise of four strokes. If anything the problem is far, far worse in the UK due to the lack of space, ever increasing population and the growing practice of Nimbysm to go with it. In the UK you can ONLY ride at designated tracks which are kept under constant scrutiny and operating times are limited to strict number of days per year. I also watch the cost of racing escalating, especially the higher up the ladder you go.
Believe me, I know the ins and outs of these issues because it affects me directly, every week. But I get so fed up of these 2stroke threads and the vitriol that is thrown around and often directed at fellow racers and social commentators such as Matthes. Whether we like or not Motocross, like other forms of Motor sport is closely associated with constant advancements in engineering, these manufacturers are building fours strokes which offer a competitive advantage on the track so people continue to buy them. You want to make them listen to the common man, the amateur racer? Stage a demonstration at the next outdoor national.
chuckie108 nailed it with his post.
i think all he wanted to do is race a 2 stroke at daytona, not get in some 2 vs 4 stroke debate.
why do some posters here feel renner was to start a political 2 stroke revolution of some sorts.
it was a moto show and had a guy who raced a 2 stroke against modern 4 strokes in a pro race on the show.thats it.
be excited guys ,take it in,stop pissing and moning.
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