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Started shopping for a new 450 today, what is every else seeing for prices?

jwag87

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8/7/2012 9:05 PM

7800 for a 2012 yz250 two smoke 8200 for 2012 450 Damn.

yzaddict106

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8/7/2012 9:13 PM

8k for a 2012 Kawi 450

JJO741

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8/7/2012 9:28 PM

7,800 for a YZ250? Wow, what a rip off. Doesn't KTM sell their 250sx for under 7k? The SX is superior to the YZ in every way too. 450's here in OC are all over 8k.

jwag87

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8/7/2012 9:33 PM

Found a 2011 yz450 6599 out the door.

gfmoto

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8/7/2012 9:36 PM

buy it, get the suspension done, put a pipe on it and you'll love it! Just don't ride the kawi!

WILDMAN442

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8/7/2012 9:38 PM

Seems like MSRP for all the 450's is 8k or more.

You can buy pretty much any YZ250 2 Stroke from 05 till now and get the same bike as a new one.

For half the price.

Justin

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8/7/2012 10:00 PM

Along with the prices you are getting, what kind of added fees are you seeing tacked on for freight and setup? Never paid that before but hearing it from KTM dealers all over Texas and Louisiana as well as the local Honda dealer when my wife was looking at a Ruckus. If I'm paying freight, that baby will be dropped on my doorstep from the freight truck that came from a dealer in Pa.

mx510

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8/7/2012 10:06 PM

I picked up my left over 2011 YZ450f for 7600 otd. Right before that I was quoted 8600 otd on a 2012 CRF. I went with the "un-rideable" yz.

Go Hawks!

dizzy8085

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8/7/2012 10:17 PM

Here in texas. You don't have to pay taxes on private sales for offroad vehicles. I'm not sure of the laws in your state.
Here, the way to go is to find a fresh sub 10 hour 12. I've seen 2012 crf 450's for around 6500 all over craigslist.

Hando

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8/7/2012 10:27 PM

used is the way to go

KEEP WORKING, MILLIONS ON WELFARE DEPEND ON YOU!

jwag87

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8/7/2012 10:29 PM

Who would pay tax on a used bike?

jwag87

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8/7/2012 10:33 PM

Hando wrote: used is the way to go

Been there Done that if I want a gernade I'll make my own.

dizzy8085

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8/7/2012 10:38 PM

You used to have to here if you wanted to title it in you're name. Most people don't anyway so good point.

You said damn at a 8200 price. There's not much risk buying a less than 10 hour bike. Especially a 450. If it's still got fresh stock tires and chain and sprockets. You're good and you just saved 3 grand.

newmann

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8/7/2012 10:40 PM

jwag87 wrote: Who would pay tax on a used bike?

I'm guessing anyone who went to the courthouse to get the title transferred? You know they'll be asking what the sales price was. And when you give them some lowball number or tell them it was a gift, they'll look up book value. Of course I don't know that I've ever transferred a title on a used bike.

I'm guessing dealers are required to charge sales tax on used inventory. Here in Texas, the comptroller office did a resale audit on my business and nailed me for a box of customer file folders that I purchased from out of state that I didn't pay sales tax on. Since I used them in my business, they were taxable, and the state wanted their four f'ng dollars.

ianhendry46

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8/7/2012 10:41 PM

I dont know if you are interested but I have a friend here in TN that has a 2012 Kawi 450 for sale with a pipe for 6500.Ridden by and very slow older guy who has more money than brains. The bike might have 20 at most hours. we are about three hours away from atlanta, so let me know if youre interested.

leeroy

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8/7/2012 10:42 PM
Edited Date/Time: 8/7/2012 10:43 PM

i stopped into one of my local dealers last sunday and saw a price of 10,000.00
for a 2013 450 , set up fee of around 600.00 and freight charge of around 700.00
i agree with newmann , drop it at my house and i will put the front wheel and handlebars on myself !
those charges are too high !!

LEEROY

newmann

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8/7/2012 10:50 PM

leeroy wrote: i stopped into one of my local dealers last sunday and saw a price of 10,000.00
for a 2013 450 , set up fee of around 600.00 and freight charge of around 700.00
i agree with newmann , drop it at my house and i will put the front wheel and handlebars on myself !
those charges are too high !!

If I knew you were doing the setup Leeroy, I would probably pay that....and bring you a case of Shiner Bock. The minimum wage kid at the local dealer though, I don't think so.

mxnick

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8/7/2012 11:03 PM

leeroy wrote: i stopped into one of my local dealers last sunday and saw a price of 10,000.00
for a 2013 450 , set up fee of around 600.00 and freight charge of around 700.00
i agree with newmann , drop it at my house and i will put the front wheel and handlebars on myself !
those charges are too high !!

newmann wrote: If I knew you were doing the setup Leeroy, I would probably pay that....and bring you a case of Shiner Bock. The minimum wage kid at the local dealer though, I don't think so.

Normally, freight and prep charges are a way for the dealer to make a little extra margin.

However, it is worth noting that OEM's DO charge the dealers freight, but it is normally somewhere around $300 or so. Depends on OEM and bike as well. Every OEM is a little different with the rates.

So the dealer does pay a fee, but most of them will then take a mark up on it.

And Mr. dealer does have to pay a kid to put it together as well, but that is a 1 hour task, at best.

Other fees to watch for are doc fees (normally $25-50)...and F&I if you have to finance it. Stay away from the tire insurance as well...

But overall, dealer margin on MX bikes (and bikes in general) is really poor, like 10-15% at BEST. Hence the other "fees", and attempts at trying to make an honest living selling bikes. Dealers really are not making much on each bike, usually just a couple hungy.

newmann

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8/7/2012 11:14 PM

leeroy wrote: i stopped into one of my local dealers last sunday and saw a price of 10,000.00
for a 2013 450 , set up fee of around 600.00 and freight charge of around 700.00
i agree with newmann , drop it at my house and i will put the front wheel and handlebars on myself !
those charges are too high !!

newmann wrote: If I knew you were doing the setup Leeroy, I would probably pay that....and bring you a case of Shiner Bock. The minimum wage kid at the local dealer though, I don't think so.

mxnick wrote: Normally, freight and prep charges are a way for the dealer to make a little extra margin.

However, it is worth noting that OEM's DO charge the dealers freight, but it is normally somewhere around $300 or so. Depends on OEM and bike as well. Every OEM is a little different with the rates.

So the dealer does pay a fee, but most of them will then take a mark up on it.

And Mr. dealer does have to pay a kid to put it together as well, but that is a 1 hour task, at best.

Other fees to watch for are doc fees (normally $25-50)...and F&I if you have to finance it. Stay away from the tire insurance as well...

But overall, dealer margin on MX bikes (and bikes in general) is really poor, like 10-15% at BEST. Hence the other "fees", and attempts at trying to make an honest living selling bikes. Dealers really are not making much on each bike, usually just a couple hungy.

I have been told by more than one employee of dealers that the dealers are reimbursed for these freight charges elsewhere. Was also told that the mfgs. pay the dealer to assemble the bike. If not mistaken, someone on here confirmed that a while back if you can believe anything you read on Vital.

mxnick

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8/7/2012 11:55 PM

newmann wrote: If I knew you were doing the setup Leeroy, I would probably pay that....and bring you a case of Shiner Bock. The minimum wage kid at the local dealer though, I don't think so.

mxnick wrote: Normally, freight and prep charges are a way for the dealer to make a little extra margin.

However, it is worth noting that OEM's DO charge the dealers freight, but it is normally somewhere around $300 or so. Depends on OEM and bike as well. Every OEM is a little different with the rates.

So the dealer does pay a fee, but most of them will then take a mark up on it.

And Mr. dealer does have to pay a kid to put it together as well, but that is a 1 hour task, at best.

Other fees to watch for are doc fees (normally $25-50)...and F&I if you have to finance it. Stay away from the tire insurance as well...

But overall, dealer margin on MX bikes (and bikes in general) is really poor, like 10-15% at BEST. Hence the other "fees", and attempts at trying to make an honest living selling bikes. Dealers really are not making much on each bike, usually just a couple hungy.

newmann wrote: I have been told by more than one employee of dealers that the dealers are reimbursed for these freight charges elsewhere. Was also told that the mfgs. pay the dealer to assemble the bike. If not mistaken, someone on here confirmed that a while back if you can believe anything you read on Vital.

You might want to check your info.

Probably depends on the OEM, but I doubt there is direct reimbursement on freight. Every OEM is a little different.

Maybe if they reach some sort of sales goal or quota, or whatever, but it is not common practice that I am aware of.

Freight and prep are variable by OEM but normally a fixed cost for Mr. Dealer...

Katoom72

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8/8/2012 1:20 AM

Question is, do you NEED a new bike? Do you need it to grab titles are are you just a weekend warrior that rides for fun. If the latter just get a used 2t and smuck it up for less then half the price of a new 450. It's cheaper to run, more fun to ride and did i say cheaper yet?

CRFracer117

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8/8/2012 5:10 AM

mxnick wrote: You might want to check your info.

Probably depends on the OEM, but I doubt there is direct reimbursement on freight. Every OEM is a little different.

Maybe if they reach some sort of sales goal or quota, or whatever, but it is not common practice that I am aware of.

Freight and prep are variable by OEM but normally a fixed cost for Mr. Dealer...

I worked at a local dealer one time for about 3 years in the parts department we were reimbursed for the set up and freight through the YES Yamaha system, Kawasaki was the same on set up but freight was on their carrier, Suzuki was the only one I don't think did any thing except free freight but you had to use their carrier. Also Yamaha would send this price sheet out to show customers what the dealers supposedly pay for a bike, funny shit customers were thinking they were getting a sweet deal, because the sales guy showed them they were only getting charged $100.00 over cost, plus BS fee's. Utility quads were the best just air the tires up and the customer would get charged $600.00 set up fee, there's nothing wrong with that right???

BKiller

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8/8/2012 6:01 AM

If you are in Atlanta, you need to drive out to KTM World and pick up a bike.
Hell, they even have some great used 2012 bikes like this one. http://www.ktmworld.com/products/8502-2012-ktm-450-sxf.aspx

digger

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8/8/2012 6:12 AM
Edited Date/Time: 8/8/2012 6:14 AM

This is what new bikes are going for in upstate NY. http://www.troycitygarage.com/dirt_bikes.htm

SlowMoFo

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8/8/2012 6:21 AM

A new bike got out of reach for me this last time I wanted to change bikes. As a practical kinda guy, a new bike will give me cool points on the track but it won't make me any faster. There are to many bearly used bikes out there selling at good prices to over pay for a new one!

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pete24

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8/8/2012 6:32 AM

greater boston motorsports in arlington mass, 6775, for my yz 250 2t, 6800, for my buddys 2012 rmz450 last march, 6390, for kxf250

jwag87

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8/8/2012 6:38 AM

ianhendry46 wrote: I dont know if you are interested but I have a friend here in TN that has a 2012 Kawi 450 for sale with a pipe for 6500.Ridden by and very slow older guy who has more money than brains. The bike might have 20 at most hours. we are about three hours away from atlanta, so let me know if youre interested.

Thanks for the info on the kawi, I have seen them cheaper same year in Atlanta already. I just left the dealership 2011 yz450f otd 6600 in the back of the truck right now.

jwag87

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8/8/2012 6:42 AM

Everybody keeps saying get a used get a two smoke I already got used and two smokes. I bought a 09 yz450 in 2010 for 5 gs out the door. They weren't giving them away this time also bought a 07 yz250 new in 08 for 5250 so the prices I was seeing where just off this time.

chrisbuehler

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8/8/2012 6:59 AM

Katoom72 wrote: Question is, do you NEED a new bike? Do you need it to grab titles are are you just a weekend warrior that rides for fun. If the latter just get a used 2t and smuck it up for less then half the price of a new 450. It's cheaper to run, more fun to ride and did i say cheaper yet?

More fun to ride for who? You obviously but that's a blanket statement to say they are more fun to ride. I'm 6'2" 220lbs, not fat lol, and I have more fun on a 450. That being said, I'm looking at 250 strikers right now. Easy to work on, cheap rebuild, I like both bikes

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8/8/2012 7:00 AM

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