Sean Collier's KX500 vs KX450F GH lap time comparison?

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Edited Date/Time 7/2/2015 11:28pm
Sorry if this was already posted, but anyone know how they compared? Thanks...
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OW38B 6/28/2015 3:57pm
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I was at the race and his result was much better on the KX500........just sayin'
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Joko 6/28/2015 4:02pm
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Result, but did the speed look better?
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Not even close would be my guess. And I don't mean the 450 wasn't even close to as fast as the 500.

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Joko 6/28/2015 6:40pm
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Maybe MXA will reveal in the Sept issue
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I'm surprised he put that much money and effort into the KX 500 but still stuck with the steel frame and old school layout. Why not go AF?
Anthony Siracuse 6/28/2015 7:21pm
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OW38B wrote:
I was at the race and his result was much better on the KX500........just sayin'
Yeah, maybe because the 450 class is much more competitive? Ever think of that?
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mark_swart wrote:
I'm surprised he put that much money and effort into the KX 500 but still stuck with the steel frame and old school layout. Why not...
I'm surprised he put that much money and effort into the KX 500 but still stuck with the steel frame and old school layout. Why not go AF?
Not all guys prefer the stiffness of the AF frames. Some guys prefer the flexibility of the older steel frames. But besides that , I don't think Sean was looking to go out and race a $15,000.00 modded , AF type bike. I think he wanted to do it old school style , and besides he freakin' rips on that thing!
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mark_swart wrote:
I'm surprised he put that much money and effort into the KX 500 but still stuck with the steel frame and old school layout. Why not...
I'm surprised he put that much money and effort into the KX 500 but still stuck with the steel frame and old school layout. Why not go AF?
Because it's way cooler the way it is.
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I asked at the time, Gibby said there weren't any transponders on the two stroke race bikes I believe?
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Suns_PSD 6/28/2015 8:06pm
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Today at Red Rocks MX (a private track that ET3 considers to be his fave) there was a brand spanking new KX500AF. Dude was riding it proper too. This is a deep sandy track where you will take as much hp as you can get.
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The 2-strokes rode a slightly shorter track at GH. After the 2-stroke race was finished (Friday) the track was re-routed to include the full track, so lap times can't be compared apples to apples.
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CalRMX wrote:
The 2-strokes rode a slightly shorter track at GH. After the 2-stroke race was finished (Friday) the track was re-routed to include the full track, so...
The 2-strokes rode a slightly shorter track at GH. After the 2-stroke race was finished (Friday) the track was re-routed to include the full track, so lap times can't be compared apples to apples.
But he rode both the National and the Invitational on Saturday. Those were the same track, no?
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chumley 6/28/2015 9:18pm
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I saw him at REM and I think he said 2-3 sec a lap slower on the 500 guessing...He was flowin on that KX but
Alessi had everybody covered....







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CalRMX 6/28/2015 11:09pm
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CalRMX wrote:
The 2-strokes rode a slightly shorter track at GH. After the 2-stroke race was finished (Friday) the track was re-routed to include the full track, so...
The 2-strokes rode a slightly shorter track at GH. After the 2-stroke race was finished (Friday) the track was re-routed to include the full track, so lap times can't be compared apples to apples.
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But he rode both the National and the Invitational on Saturday. Those were the same track, no?
Yes on Saturday it was the same track, I was thinking somebody wanted to compare laptimes from Friday to Saturday with 2 different track lengths.

I forgot there was the FMF invitational on saturday, (still probably hung-over from Friday night)
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kiwifan 6/29/2015 1:33am
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In the 500 class he cleared out and had a lot of clear track in front of him, in the 450's he had a lot more competition with little/no clear track, that and that the track lengths were different means you cannot compare them at all.

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Funny when a guy with a more modern riding style rides an old bike the bike looks modern... hmmm
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OW38B 6/29/2015 11:11am
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OW38B wrote:
I was at the race and his result was much better on the KX500........just sayin'
Anthony Siracuse wrote:
Yeah, maybe because the 450 class is much more competitive? Ever think of that?
Thanks for the enlightenment Boss............Shocked
THE mx addict 6/29/2015 11:14am
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Outsider wrote:
Funny when a guy with a more modern riding style rides an old bike the bike looks modern... hmmm
Good point.

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Both bikes are sick, in their own way.
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mark_swart wrote:
I'm surprised he put that much money and effort into the KX 500 but still stuck with the steel frame and old school layout. Why not...
I'm surprised he put that much money and effort into the KX 500 but still stuck with the steel frame and old school layout. Why not go AF?
Why would he want to go with that inferior technology? A steel frame just won the SX championship and is currently leading the outdoor championship. Wink
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mark_swart wrote:
I'm surprised he put that much money and effort into the KX 500 but still stuck with the steel frame and old school layout. Why not...
I'm surprised he put that much money and effort into the KX 500 but still stuck with the steel frame and old school layout. Why not go AF?
jeffro503 wrote:
Not all guys prefer the stiffness of the AF frames. Some guys prefer the flexibility of the older steel frames. But besides that , I don't...
Not all guys prefer the stiffness of the AF frames. Some guys prefer the flexibility of the older steel frames. But besides that , I don't think Sean was looking to go out and race a $15,000.00 modded , AF type bike. I think he wanted to do it old school style , and besides he freakin' rips on that thing!
Collier talked about this on the Pulp show a few weeks ago, the bike belongs to his dad who used to ride it in the desert. It had been in the garage gathering dust for a few years and they broke it out and did some work to make it raceable. There was no intent to build a high dollar project bike.
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davistld01 6/29/2015 12:47pm
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The video of him at Day In The Dirt made me an instant Collier fan. Not being a SoCal guy, I had no idea who he was...but being a huge Wardy fan, anybody that could ride a KX500 like that (scrubbing jumps and such) had my vote right away! Smile

All that aside, I'll bet that although the 500 is probably faster in a 1/4-mile run...the 450F is probably capable of turning lower lap times because of the tractibility advantage. I imagine a lot of the time with the 500 is spent keeping the rear tire hooking up, instead of lighting up.
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mark_swart wrote:
I'm surprised he put that much money and effort into the KX 500 but still stuck with the steel frame and old school layout. Why not...
I'm surprised he put that much money and effort into the KX 500 but still stuck with the steel frame and old school layout. Why not go AF?
BAMX wrote:
Why would he want to go with that inferior technology? A steel frame just won the SX championship and is currently leading the outdoor championship. Wink
I actually did think about that -- it might be better as far as vibration with that big 2T mill. But steel frame or not, I'm just thinking those '88 ergonomics have to be a handful!
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mark_swart wrote:
I'm surprised he put that much money and effort into the KX 500 but still stuck with the steel frame and old school layout. Why not...
I'm surprised he put that much money and effort into the KX 500 but still stuck with the steel frame and old school layout. Why not go AF?
BAMX wrote:
Why would he want to go with that inferior technology? A steel frame just won the SX championship and is currently leading the outdoor championship. Wink
mark_swart wrote:
I actually did think about that -- it might be better as far as vibration with that big 2T mill. But steel frame or not, I'm...
I actually did think about that -- it might be better as far as vibration with that big 2T mill. But steel frame or not, I'm just thinking those '88 ergonomics have to be a handful!
I was just throwing it out there. It has been a long time since I rode it but I did ride a KX500 that was an ex team green bike from that era. It wasn't bad at all and it was a lot better than the Service Honda CR500AF that I have ridden.
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Damn that sounds good! Should win a grammy for sound effects in a short documentary!
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Superdave19 wrote:
Damn it man! Lap times! ..we need lap times!
I timed him at the two stroke race at the Glen Helen round for 3 laps and then compared it to the live timing in the AMA 450 race and he averaged 3-4 seconds a lap faster on "The Beast"

He rides that 500 really well and it is an absolute rocket up the hills.
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OW38B 7/2/2015 10:48pm
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Superdave19 wrote:
Damn it man! Lap times! ..we need lap times!
Chadillac661 wrote:
I timed him at the two stroke race at the Glen Helen round for 3 laps and then compared it to the live timing in the...
I timed him at the two stroke race at the Glen Helen round for 3 laps and then compared it to the live timing in the AMA 450 race and he averaged 3-4 seconds a lap faster on "The Beast"

He rides that 500 really well and it is an absolute rocket up the hills.
He should have rode the 500 in the National...........oh wait that bike is banned from those races......too bad, it would bring some excitement to them. Shocked

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