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Before someone flames for Honda bashing, this is simply that my 13 yr. old son is too big for a supermini, he has a 125 2T and wanted a 250 2T instead of a 4 stroke, after talking with most of the local pros, most make the night show of SX and some mains, ALL said to keep him on the 2 stroke, it will make him a better rider. One pro even told me his biggest regret in racing was not racing the 2 stroke longer.
Well with a 125 and 250 2 stroke, if we go to any qualifiers, we can only run 1 class competitively for a Youth rider, because lets face it, the 125, even though finely tuned by JMS performance will not keep up with a "also" finely tuned 250F. So that leaves me with going across the country, paying a lot, and basically sitting all weekend to run 1 class.........2 motos. At 13, I do not want to put him in the C class yet as I do not want him to have to run the Amateur regionals instead of Youth.
We really like going to the qualifiers, chasing the bigger gates, hopefully getting to the regional as a good quality gate filler but we will not be hitting very many if we can only run 1 class.
Since he is 13, you can see my dilemma for the next couple years. He wants to run 2 strokes, local pro recommended, and I do not want him running in the C class just yet.
So this has nothing to do with negative about the CRF150.
Is that nicer Guy B?
The Shop
As far as putting a 13-year-old on a 250cc two-stroke, you are doing that because of his size -- he's the exception to the vast majority of 13-year-olds. So if we allow one big kid to go out there on a 250cc two-stroke, we're going to see smaller kids that aren't big enough for those bikes out there because they can't compete with a YZ 250 two-stroke or KTM 250 SX on their 125s. It fixes your problem, but it creates more problems for others that should not be racing 250 two-strokes because they're too small.
If your son is already too big for a 125 at 13, it sounds like it won't be long before he is ready for a 250F.
And Burn, I didn't get very quiet on the topic, I was in bed.
DC
MX Sports
How did your son do last year at Loretta??
Davey, thanks for your reply but my first thing I will say back, is your logic makes no sense with my son not being able to ride a 2 stroke at 212 lbs but he is capable of competing on a 240 lbs 4 stroke. I do however understand that the rules cannot and will not change for only me but I know of several riders that would prefer to ride the 2 stroke 250 as opposed to the 4 but do not because the MX sports rules do not allow it.
I also realize that you can only race 2 classes at the national, but this again has nothing to do with allowing 250 2 strokes to race with 250 4 strokes when they are allowed in the C, B and A classes at the national.
Also my son is not overly big, he is 5'6", 150 lbs, he just doesn't feel comfortable on a Supermini. He has a $10000 Yamaha superminin with everything on it to make it for larger riders and still cannot get comfortable. And when I watch him rider it, I agree. He is also not too big for a 125, we own one of those also and he competes in schoolboy 1 class with it.
He just wants to ride a 2 stroke 250 instead of a 4.
Also local turn outs have been hurting cause normal, average families CANNOT cover the cost of a grenaded four stroke. This is undeniable. The debate on whether 2 or 4 is better and all that drama will never stop the fact that little Johnnies family cannot cover a $3000 price tag on a blown up 250F. Not to mention the more injuries they cause because now every D rider has the power at his right wrist to jump anything they can point there bikes at. You had to earn and gain skill on a 125 if you wanted to jump big jumps, not anymore.
However after today this topic is null and void, for myself anyway, because I bought him a 250F today so we can play the game.
Good thing my son is not mowing grass to pay for racing as he now owns $20,000 worth of motorcycles. But I bet you the 250F sits and we only ride it at the races cause I have to constantly pry him off the 250 2 stroke.
But now you've gone all storbeck on me.
Carry on.
I read the thread from when you started it....I understand your frustration. . . the rules are the rules and aren't likely gonna change anytime soon. Sorry for your predicament bro.
I also thought Hillbilly was just asking how your boy did.......not trying to slam you or your family.
You did kinda Storbeck him . . .
Peace man and good luck with the racing, we all wanna see the young'uns do good!!
PS
Bottom line is, I think the rules in place are good, even though on one hand it was bad for us however, on the other, it was safer for us.
Pit Row
I actually do not know what storbeck (ing) is so I guess you''ll have to fill me in.
Also by the way, picked up a 2014 250F yesterday (cause you have to follow the shepherd if you want to graze with the sheep). Very nice bike so far, just got to ride it in the yard but lots of power. He still says he prefers is 2 stroke though, I told him he better get use to it or else!!!!! lol
2014 YZ250 218lbs
2014 YZ250F 221lbs
I'm as pro 2-stroke as they come, but let's not exaggerate the weight differences, it effects credibility. A 250f with an aftermarket exhaust would weigh the same as a 250 smoker and by all means should be easier for any 13 year old to ride.
"claimed" weights are exactly that, claimed.
"There is such a huge difference in height/weight from 13-17 year old kids. Some at 13 are big enough to safely handle a 250 2T, and then Some at 17 aren't big enough and can't safely get on a 250 stroke without putting themselves in danger. Good call to not allow 250 2T in the schoolboy 2."
Yet we still never cover the topic. If the 2 stroke is dangerous for the schoolboy, how is a heavier 250F not.
When ever there is a critique against allowing 250 2 strokes as dangerous and heavy and too much power for the schoolboy 2 stepping class, remember, heavier and just as powerful 4 strokes are legal in this class. THAT is the topic.
Bad, biased call to not allow 250 2strokes.
Anyone know the Dagners from southern Illinois, kid is a great rider but the family is on a shoe string budget. After saving for months and numerous e-bay searches he finally gets the parts to fix his 4 banger. Takes it to Sweeneys MX and grenades the motor again. Now I know everyone will be screaming "off topic of course" about who built what, but the fact remains the kid will miss another year of racing because he does not have a bike. This time it took both cases so basically he needs a complete motor. $4000 instead of $1500. Why does he not ride a 2 stroke you say, kids races schoolboy 2 class and HAS to have a 4 stroke to try and qualify.
Talking sideways about this all you want............simple fact is this, if a 2 stroke is legal in the AMA schoolboy class and Lorettas is an AMA race, a 250 2 stroke should b legal. Whether you want to ride one or not, if you think a 13 yr old should ride one or that bigfoot has three testicles that are clean shaven is not the issue. Politics and money hungry people are the reason why this bike can't be raced.
Lets see which direction, AWAY from the actual topic, this thread goes next.
I just plopped $7 grand down on a bike HE DOES NOT want to try and force him to ride it (and I can ride it too, man this thing is sweet)
So I am not bashing anything, 2 or 4 or whatever, makes no difference to me.
Just why is the bike legal in the AMA rule book but not legal at the AMA sanctioned MXsports qualifiers and Lorettas. That is the debate, nothing else.
"Yet we still never cover the topic. If the 2 stroke is dangerous for the schoolboy, how is a heavier 250F not."
250F's are easier to ride than 2 strokes. A well tuned 250 2 stroke will walk away from 250F's all day. (Talking amateur tuned here, not pro team tune...)
Yz 250 has 44-48 horsepower. Ass end breaks loose, they're more difficult to ride than a 4 stroke.
Yz 250F has 30-35 horsepower. Has monster traction and I think it's more manageable for younger racers.
I think you should just run the KTM 150sx and forget about it if you're worried about rebuilding grenaded motors.
DC answered your question. You don't have to keep asking why it's legal in AMA but not at Loretta's.....I wish DC would just say Money and Politics and honda bought him off just to appease you, even though it's not true.
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