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4/9/2014 9:35am
4/9/2014 9:35am
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4/16/2014 4:31am
Why is MX sports going against the AMA with classes but yet they are claiming that their races are AMA sanctioned.
Why can a 250 2 stroke run in the A, B and C 250cc classes but they are not allowed in the Schoolboy 2 class, (only in MXsports races).
School boy 1 is 125cc 2t and 150cc 4f. Then the jump to Schoolboy 2 is add 25cc's for the 2 stroke (150) and add 100cc's for the 4 stroke. This makes no sense.
Even though the AMA rules say a 250 2 stoke can run in the Schoolboy 2 class, MX sports does not allow it.
Also, they have changed the name of the 85 sr class to Mini sr class so they can let the Honda 150 run in the class even though the AMA still will not let the 150 run with 85s
If this isn't Honda paying someone off, I do not know what is.
Mr Coombs, care to explain?
Why can a 250 2 stroke run in the A, B and C 250cc classes but they are not allowed in the Schoolboy 2 class, (only in MXsports races).
School boy 1 is 125cc 2t and 150cc 4f. Then the jump to Schoolboy 2 is add 25cc's for the 2 stroke (150) and add 100cc's for the 4 stroke. This makes no sense.
Even though the AMA rules say a 250 2 stoke can run in the Schoolboy 2 class, MX sports does not allow it.
Also, they have changed the name of the 85 sr class to Mini sr class so they can let the Honda 150 run in the class even though the AMA still will not let the 150 run with 85s
If this isn't Honda paying someone off, I do not know what is.
Mr Coombs, care to explain?
Maybe the AMA's Kip Bigelow, MX Sports' Tim Cotter or any of the six manufacturers that were present at the rules meeting that takes place at Loretta Lynn's would be glad to explain it to you.
DC
MX Sports
Here's my take after 30 years of racing from MX to NHRA to Karts and no back with my kid in MX.
NHRA racing in our sportsman class required mufflers and there was only 2 manufactures who had these type to run at the track. Well of course these 2 companies "sponsored" a couple of classes for NHRA. Funny thing is right after our class ran up came the fuel cars 8000hp with the zoomie headers.
You just learn to go with the flow and appreciate who is participating in the sport you have chosen.
Please send any questions you have on these classes or any other Loretta Lynn's rules to:
TCotter@mxsports.com (Tim Cotter)
KBigelow@ama-cycle.org (Kip Bigelow)
DC
MX Sports
So the 250C (beginner class) is not a stepping stone class?, they allow 250 2 strokes.
The AMA schoolboy class ALLOWS 250 2 Stroke, MX sports does not.
No need to ask Kip, they allow 250 2strokes, and asking you is better than asking Tim Cotter, you are more in charge of MXsports than he is.
"Honda does not sponsor Lorettas"...............but there is a nice paragraph about how great Honda's are at the beginning of every article in Racer X online.
Instead of diverting to name calling, just answer the topic.
Speaking of stepping stone, there are no less then 5 manufactures that make 125's but yet no 125 B or C class under 16. However only one brand makes a 150 4 stroke and there are NOW 5 classes for that bike to run in, with a slight name change and 1 yr age difference.
I will send these questions to Mr Cotter also.
The Shop
Which five manufacturers currently make a 125?
And I didn't call you a name, I said you made a dumb statement. I don't make up the rules, it's done in harmony between MX Sports and the AMA, with input from the OEMs and other industry parties that support amateur motocross racing.
As for Honda sponsoring one column on the Racer X website, you do realize that every manufacturer advertises somewhere on Racer X Online, or Racer X Illustrated, and they all participate in the decision-making, right? If you think we changed a rule because Honda sponsors the magazine's website, you're just plain wrong.
I am sorry that you don't agree with the rules. They don't always work out the way every individual would like, but for the vast majority they do work.
DC
MX Sports
DC
MX Sports
First of all I think the post creator is an idiot and I agree with you on your position. I also had another question, and wondered if green lasers will be allowed for use by parents in the school boy 2 class this year?
Thanks!!!
He took a face from the ancient gallery and he,
Walked on down the hall then, and he came to a door,,,
He looked inside,,father? Yes son, I want to kill you,,
Jake is too much of a social butterfly to live at a training facility. He's accepted the pecking order in which he runs at the races and is out there to have fun and show he won't embarrass himself with his peers.
Pit Row
Did Gas Gas stop making this. Not sure if the picture loaded but it is basically a Gas Gas 125.
Doesn't Suzuki still make them, but only imports to Europe.
Fantic makes a 125 with a Gas Gas motor
There are you answers Guy B, I thought my original post was very nice, I didn't call anyone DUMB or an IDIOT.
The ol DC bandwagon rides again, eh Grape?
Suzuki made them up until 2011, (although there were called 2008 models)
We have a new claiming rule here. Someone just claimed your right to post.
Given the amount of 125s made and homologated for AMA racing, I think the program allows those bikes a lot more places to race than the CRF150, comparatively speaking.
DC
MX Sports
The answer of how many manufactures make 125s was a side question that was answered poilitely and to the point after someone went completely off topic, instead of actually answering it, and posed another question that was suppose to be somehow related to the original question.
They changed the name of the 85 Senior class to Mini Senior so they could allow 150 four strokes, even though the AMA does NOT allow 150F's to run with 85's but kept the name of Schoolboy 2 but changed what you could ride because of what MXsports wants the class to run.
Technically by AMA rules, if the race is AMA sanctioned you are required to use the AMA rules regarding that class, hence a 250 2 stroke "SHOULD" be allowed to run in schoolboy 2.
I don't know why the moon is the distance it is away from the Earth. I do not know how many bricks are in the great wall of China and I don not know the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow. Now that I have answered those questions, anyone care to elaborate on why we are not following AMA rules at an AMA race.
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