Sad state of moto?

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The premier motocross class in the premier series of the whole world and some unknown trail rider comes in and kicks ass almost cracking the top ten on a practice bike. What does it all mean?
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Premiere motocross series is MXGP now.
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Don't let the Yanks hear you speaking like that.....oh, wait.


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It means a mudder is a muther and anything can happen ... props to CG298 it's one thing saying it can be done it's a completely different monster actually doing it ! !

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ButteryWaffles 6/28/2015 7:42am
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It means that he is a trail rider, with experience in the mud... So you have to be well known to crack the top 10? Good for him. The others should learn how to ride better in the messy stuff.
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newmann wrote:
The premier motocross class in the premier series of the whole world and some unknown trail rider comes in and kicks ass almost cracking the top...
The premier motocross class in the premier series of the whole world and some unknown trail rider comes in and kicks ass almost cracking the top ten on a practice bike. What does it all mean?
That a regular guy, that happens to be a pretty good rider, can enter and run without being owned by some factory or or group, and uncork a pretty good ride, means we all have a shot.

And that's a good thing.
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newmann wrote:
The premier motocross class in the premier series of the whole world and some unknown trail rider comes in and kicks ass almost cracking the top...
The premier motocross class in the premier series of the whole world and some unknown trail rider comes in and kicks ass almost cracking the top ten on a practice bike. What does it all mean?
motogrady wrote:
That a regular guy, that happens to be a pretty good rider, can enter and run without being owned by some factory or or group, and...
That a regular guy, that happens to be a pretty good rider, can enter and run without being owned by some factory or or group, and uncork a pretty good ride, means we all have a shot.

And that's a good thing.
This is the dichotomy in elite level motocross - many people want the entire field to be better paid than they are now, with closer racing, and yet still stick to the notion that a privateer can rock up in a box van, qualify and race on the same day/track with the best in the world.

The two concepts don't sit well together.

If you support the idea of the privateer having a crack, that's great, but it's not the sort of thing that is going to attract high dollar sponsors and TV packages.

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ando wrote:
This is the dichotomy in elite level motocross - many people want the entire field to be better paid than they are now, with closer racing...
This is the dichotomy in elite level motocross - many people want the entire field to be better paid than they are now, with closer racing, and yet still stick to the notion that a privateer can rock up in a box van, qualify and race on the same day/track with the best in the world.

The two concepts don't sit well together.

If you support the idea of the privateer having a crack, that's great, but it's not the sort of thing that is going to attract high dollar sponsors and TV packages.

So if Nick Nobody were to win the Daytona 500 next year in his personal vehicle, Hendrick, Childress, Stewart, Ganassi, Penske, and the entire NASCAR garage and offices wouldn't be thrilled beyond words.
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motogrady 6/28/2015 8:14am
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ando wrote:
This is the dichotomy in elite level motocross - many people want the entire field to be better paid than they are now, with closer racing...
This is the dichotomy in elite level motocross - many people want the entire field to be better paid than they are now, with closer racing, and yet still stick to the notion that a privateer can rock up in a box van, qualify and race on the same day/track with the best in the world.

The two concepts don't sit well together.

If you support the idea of the privateer having a crack, that's great, but it's not the sort of thing that is going to attract high dollar sponsors and TV packages.

Thing is, high dollar sponsons need to sell to the masses.
As it seems to be, lately , the masses just aren't.t there.
The main reason, IMO, a lot of guys got into this stuff, is the far flung idea that you too can make it.
You didn't need a rich mom and dad or a ton of talent that Honda would see in you at 14,

If you worked at it, really wanted it, it was possible.

Now, shoot, a bike costs the same as a down payment on a house.
To run a series, the price of a house.

How many regular guys are gonna try that?

This scene is gonna turn into Pro Polo, or Steeplechase racing, available and enjoyed by a few, on some obscure cable TV channel with a Neilson rating of .0000022.
unknownmxr 6/28/2015 8:36am
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When the 4 stroke revolution started, all the old guys said it would be the death of mx, and they were right, sort of.
The 4 stroke is more maintenance than a 2t, but the real cost of buying and maintaining a mx bike is the suspension.
The reality is that you have to drive 5 hours to a track, and that there are no oppportunities to ride around on a local practice track after work, for those who have a real job anyway. The racket of a 4t is a problem, but the real issue is urban sprawl.
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burn1986 6/28/2015 8:45am
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motogrady wrote:
Thing is, high dollar sponsons need to sell to the masses. As it seems to be, lately , the masses just aren't.t there. The main reason...
Thing is, high dollar sponsons need to sell to the masses.
As it seems to be, lately , the masses just aren't.t there.
The main reason, IMO, a lot of guys got into this stuff, is the far flung idea that you too can make it.
You didn't need a rich mom and dad or a ton of talent that Honda would see in you at 14,

If you worked at it, really wanted it, it was possible.

Now, shoot, a bike costs the same as a down payment on a house.
To run a series, the price of a house.

How many regular guys are gonna try that?

This scene is gonna turn into Pro Polo, or Steeplechase racing, available and enjoyed by a few, on some obscure cable TV channel with a Neilson rating of .0000022.
Yep, unfortunately the sport has experienced some fatal blows IMO. First, the 4-stroke takeover in the midst of a struggling economy. Second, the division of media coverage and limited accesibility of watching the races. Third, the control and greed of the promoters and AMA, regardless of the health of the sport.

What has been the result - Overly expensive sport, more limited fan base, and little to no return on investment of sponsors and teams with almost no payout to riders.
Andy_Greenney 6/28/2015 8:51am
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unknownmxr wrote:
When the 4 stroke revolution started, all the old guys said it would be the death of mx, and they were right, sort of. The 4...
When the 4 stroke revolution started, all the old guys said it would be the death of mx, and they were right, sort of.
The 4 stroke is more maintenance than a 2t, but the real cost of buying and maintaining a mx bike is the suspension.
The reality is that you have to drive 5 hours to a track, and that there are no oppportunities to ride around on a local practice track after work, for those who have a real job anyway. The racket of a 4t is a problem, but the real issue is urban sprawl.
Think you got it bad over there in the US? We have 68 million living on this little island called the UK, can't go more than half mile in any direction without hitting a residential area and there quite literally isn't an inch of land that isn't privately owned. The noise is killing the sport dead, although I will be sad to see it happen, electric bikes could be our only answer over here.
dazzlindino 6/28/2015 8:58am
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newmann wrote:
The premier motocross class in the premier series of the whole world and some unknown trail rider comes in and kicks ass almost cracking the top...
The premier motocross class in the premier series of the whole world and some unknown trail rider comes in and kicks ass almost cracking the top ten on a practice bike. What does it all mean?
motogrady wrote:
That a regular guy, that happens to be a pretty good rider, can enter and run without being owned by some factory or or group, and...
That a regular guy, that happens to be a pretty good rider, can enter and run without being owned by some factory or or group, and uncork a pretty good ride, means we all have a shot.

And that's a good thing.
ando wrote:
This is the dichotomy in elite level motocross - many people want the entire field to be better paid than they are now, with closer racing...
This is the dichotomy in elite level motocross - many people want the entire field to be better paid than they are now, with closer racing, and yet still stick to the notion that a privateer can rock up in a box van, qualify and race on the same day/track with the best in the world.

The two concepts don't sit well together.

If you support the idea of the privateer having a crack, that's great, but it's not the sort of thing that is going to attract high dollar sponsors and TV packages.

...so rocky wouldnt be a good movie then...
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unknownmxr wrote:
When the 4 stroke revolution started, all the old guys said it would be the death of mx, and they were right, sort of. The 4...
When the 4 stroke revolution started, all the old guys said it would be the death of mx, and they were right, sort of.
The 4 stroke is more maintenance than a 2t, but the real cost of buying and maintaining a mx bike is the suspension.
The reality is that you have to drive 5 hours to a track, and that there are no oppportunities to ride around on a local practice track after work, for those who have a real job anyway. The racket of a 4t is a problem, but the real issue is urban sprawl.
Andy_Greenney wrote:
Think you got it bad over there in the US? We have 68 million living on this little island called the UK, can't go more than...
Think you got it bad over there in the US? We have 68 million living on this little island called the UK, can't go more than half mile in any direction without hitting a residential area and there quite literally isn't an inch of land that isn't privately owned. The noise is killing the sport dead, although I will be sad to see it happen, electric bikes could be our only answer over here.
You should try invading someone to get their land. J/KTongue
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Dont underestimate any of your so called "trailriders" coming out of the GNCC series being competitive at a mx national. The old saying that mud is the great equalizer, I would put money on it that if all of the top off-road guys were on the line yesterday, you would have several in the top 10 and at least one or two in tbe top 5.
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burn1986 6/28/2015 9:12am
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downard254 wrote:
You should try invading someone to get their land. J/KTongue
Lol, wasn't that the real reason for the past World Wars - people rebelled for a place to ride their dirt bikes?
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PastranaWho wrote:
Premiere motocross series is MXGP now.
Not sure if you are being serious or not, but the MXGPs are the premier series (in terms of rider talent and depth of field) in motocross. Anyone who let their pride down for a moment would see that.
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So what's a JGR engine worth today? He went through 3 of them in a race weekend? I'm sure that's affordable to most :/

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PastranaWho wrote:
Premiere motocross series is MXGP now.
yakrider wrote:
Not sure if you are being serious or not, but the MXGPs are the premier series (in terms of rider talent and depth of field) in...
Not sure if you are being serious or not, but the MXGPs are the premier series (in terms of rider talent and depth of field) in motocross. Anyone who let their pride down for a moment would see that.
And that's a good thing for do nothing keyboard jockeys such as yourself who can live vicariously through them.
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unknownmxr wrote:
When the 4 stroke revolution started, all the old guys said it would be the death of mx, and they were right, sort of. The 4...
When the 4 stroke revolution started, all the old guys said it would be the death of mx, and they were right, sort of.
The 4 stroke is more maintenance than a 2t, but the real cost of buying and maintaining a mx bike is the suspension.
The reality is that you have to drive 5 hours to a track, and that there are no oppportunities to ride around on a local practice track after work, for those who have a real job anyway. The racket of a 4t is a problem, but the real issue is urban sprawl.
"all the old guys said it would be the death of mx"
I love this kind of rhetoric, dig up some old AMA & GP footage and compare it with now

"the real cost of buying and maintaining a mx bike is the suspension"
really? some oil & fork seals

"The reality is that you have to drive 5 hours to a track"
nope 5 min, If I drive 5 hours I'm in Paris France Smile
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PastranaWho wrote:
Premiere motocross series is MXGP now.
yakrider wrote:
Not sure if you are being serious or not, but the MXGPs are the premier series (in terms of rider talent and depth of field) in...
Not sure if you are being serious or not, but the MXGPs are the premier series (in terms of rider talent and depth of field) in motocross. Anyone who let their pride down for a moment would see that.
No pride at all both series has great talent but getting to the end with 40 percent of the top ten is a fading thought.


The sport and the cost have crippled it. Not to stir up a 2t 4t debate the truth is if the 4t was so great and reliable why would they not allow the 2t any mods or development at all. 2t and Moto vans can save mx.
Andy_Greenney 6/28/2015 10:09am
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downard254 wrote:
You should try invading someone to get their land. J/KTongue
burn1986 wrote:
Lol, wasn't that the real reason for the past World Wars - people rebelled for a place to ride their dirt bikes?
Now days we aren't interested in the land just the resources to use our dirt bikes
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croom mx 6/28/2015 10:12am
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I watched the so called premier motocross class MXGP Saturday and I was kind of bored after seeing the Glen Helen National.
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newmann wrote:
The premier motocross class in the premier series of the whole world and some unknown trail rider comes in and kicks ass almost cracking the top...
The premier motocross class in the premier series of the whole world and some unknown trail rider comes in and kicks ass almost cracking the top ten on a practice bike. What does it all mean?
And you think this is the first time this has happened? Dowd and Henry got started with a win in the mud at Hangtown. Ricky Ryan at Daytona. The results sheets are littered with finishes like this at mud races. Much to do about nothing!!!
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newmann 6/28/2015 10:51am
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Good thing that Knight guy didn't show up. I hear he is a pretty good trail rider too.
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unknownmxr wrote:
When the 4 stroke revolution started, all the old guys said it would be the death of mx, and they were right, sort of. The 4...
When the 4 stroke revolution started, all the old guys said it would be the death of mx, and they were right, sort of.
The 4 stroke is more maintenance than a 2t, but the real cost of buying and maintaining a mx bike is the suspension.
The reality is that you have to drive 5 hours to a track, and that there are no oppportunities to ride around on a local practice track after work, for those who have a real job anyway. The racket of a 4t is a problem, but the real issue is urban sprawl.
steed 2.0 wrote:
[i]"all the old guys said it would be the death of mx"[/i] I love this kind of rhetoric, dig up some old AMA & GP footage...
"all the old guys said it would be the death of mx"
I love this kind of rhetoric, dig up some old AMA & GP footage and compare it with now

"the real cost of buying and maintaining a mx bike is the suspension"
really? some oil & fork seals

"The reality is that you have to drive 5 hours to a track"
nope 5 min, If I drive 5 hours I'm in Paris France Smile
Then you should be quick on the bike.
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PastranaWho wrote:
Premiere motocross series is MXGP now.
yakrider wrote:
Not sure if you are being serious or not, but the MXGPs are the premier series (in terms of rider talent and depth of field) in...
Not sure if you are being serious or not, but the MXGPs are the premier series (in terms of rider talent and depth of field) in motocross. Anyone who let their pride down for a moment would see that.
Excaliburbmx wrote:
No pride at all both series has great talent but getting to the end with 40 percent of the top ten is a fading thought. The...
No pride at all both series has great talent but getting to the end with 40 percent of the top ten is a fading thought.


The sport and the cost have crippled it. Not to stir up a 2t 4t debate the truth is if the 4t was so great and reliable why would they not allow the 2t any mods or development at all. 2t and Moto vans can save mx.
Not sure about the two strove versus four debate, but bringing back two stroke would return motocross to its grassroots a bit. I agree that both series have talent, I just also happen to think that at the moment, the GPs have more depth in their classes.
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yakrider 6/28/2015 11:23am
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PastranaWho wrote:
Premiere motocross series is MXGP now.
yakrider wrote:
Not sure if you are being serious or not, but the MXGPs are the premier series (in terms of rider talent and depth of field) in...
Not sure if you are being serious or not, but the MXGPs are the premier series (in terms of rider talent and depth of field) in motocross. Anyone who let their pride down for a moment would see that.
ATKpilot99 wrote:
And that's a good thing for do nothing keyboard jockeys such as yourself who can live vicariously through them.
It's a message board where these things are talked about. Put on your big boy pants and stop crying about others.
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Dont underestimate any of your so called "trailriders" coming out of the GNCC series being competitive at a mx national. The old saying that mud is the great equalizer, I would put money on it that if all of the top off-road guys were on the line yesterday, you would have several in the top 10 and at least one or two in tbe top 5.

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