STOP single digit numbers for 250f riders

Danster
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9/24/2014 7:49pm Edited Date/Time 9/25/2014 7:14am
Every time I see the number four of Blake Baggett racing Supercross
in the part-time west/east 250 (SX2) Supercross series, I can't think that he's
the forth fastest Supercross rider in the world.
Now add Jeremy Martin's number six who couldn't even qualify for
a couple east coast 250 (SX2) Supercross races this year.
Once again, No 250f rider should receive a single digit number for racing
part-time Supercross.
I think its a kick in the face to all the top 450 riders that deserve lower numbers
then the 250 riders, Don't get me wrong... I'm a fan of Blake and Jeremy
(who's going to kick-ass this weekend at Des Nations) but its not right.
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9/24/2014 7:53pm
I don't think the riders care about that anymore. It is more of like a nascar deal with numbers now anyway with the career number system and all.
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9/24/2014 7:56pm
Number 4 doesn't symbolize being the "4th best racer." I mean shit, Carmichael was number 4, and I think he was a little better than that...
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9/24/2014 7:57pm
Yo, "Woodland Hills" (there ain't NO SUCH THING as "West-Hills" for us ol' schoolers)...

They got those #s from winning the OUTDOOR 250 title...didn't they? (HENCE: BB4 & JM6)

I'm jus' sayin'...
9/24/2014 8:24pm
They received it because they won a national championship. I think anyone who wins a national championship deserves a single digit if they want one and it's there to take, no matter about the class.

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9/24/2014 8:46pm
I have never thought 250 champions should be given single digit numbers. I do believe if you win a 250 championship of any kind, you should be able to pick any available two digit number though.
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9/24/2014 9:31pm
What I want to know is why does the AMA care if someone who earns a two digit or single digit number runs a three digit. Why can't Pourcel still run 377 next year like he has every other year? The whole thing seems kind of dumb honestly, kind of seems like making rules just for the act of making rules IMO. It will never be a problem, but I won't run anything other than my number, just because I'm superstitious like that.Tongue . I could see a guy like Pourcel not wanting to change it either, and I don't think he should have to just for a seemingly pointless rule. Again, just my opinion, let's be adults here. . .
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9/24/2014 9:36pm Edited Date/Time 9/24/2014 9:38pm
Mike Brown never did look right with the number 3 and I wish you ran the number for where you finished the year before,I never liked the permanent number system.
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9/24/2014 9:37pm
If you are good enough to win a national motocross championship, you deserve the right to run a single digit number.
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9/24/2014 9:52pm
everyone who's fast enough, should be racing the same class. Call it the premier class. It should also be an open class,run what you brung. Two stroke or four, no matter what CC. The other class, is the support class. All numbers correspond to how you did the year before.
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9/24/2014 10:10pm Edited Date/Time 9/24/2014 10:11pm
This is how it would look if they did the #'s the old school style. I used this years total points as they score them now.

So using the old # system with the new way they score total points, they would have Martin, Webb, Bogle, and Bageet still getting single digit #'s for 2015

1 - 450SX: Ryan Villopoto
1 - 250SX West: Jason Anderson
1 - 250SX East: Justin Bogle
1 - 450MX: Ken Roczen
1 - 250MX: Jeremy Martin

2 - Ryan Dungey 822
3 - Ken Roczen 817
4 - Jeremy Martin 596
5 - Cooper Webb 562
6 - Justin Bogle 556
7 - Trey Canard 545
8 - Blake Baggett 541
9 - Andrew Short 520
10 - James Stewart 498
11 - Cole Seely 484
12 - Jason Anderson 469
14 - Dean Wilson 440
15 - Eli Tomac 434
16 - Weston Peick 410
17 - Marvin Musquin 408
18 - Ryan Villopoto 368
19 - Jessy Nelson 367
20 - Josh Grant 357
21 - Christophe Pourcel 355
22 - Justin Brayton 351
23 - Brett Metcalfe 334
24 - Alex Martin 320
25 - Justin Hill 309
26 - Chad Reed 309
27 - Justin Barcia 302
28 - Malcolm Stewart 266
29 - Kyle Cunningham 244
30 - Matt Goerke 224
31 - Joey Savatgy 221
32 - Matt Bisceglia 218
33 - Fredrik Noren 207
34 - Shane McElrath 199
35 - Ben LaMay 184
36 - Matt Lemoine 181
37 - Jake Weimer 166
38 - Zach Osborne 166
39 - Zach Bell 166
40 - Vince Friese 161
41 - Josh Hill 159
42 - Phil Nicoletti 154
43 - Martin Davalos 149
44 - Broc Tickle 126
45 - Mike Alessi 123
46 - Wil Hahn 122
47 - Jimmy Decotis 120
48 - Adam Cianciarulo 120
49 - Mitchell Oldenburg 119
50 - Jimmy Albertson 119
51 - Ryan Sipes 116
52 - Nick Wey 111
53 - Kyle Peters 105
54 - Ivan Tedesco 102
55 - Kyle Chisholm 90
56 - Cole Thompson 89
57 - Jackson Richardson 85
58 - Kellian Rusk 85
59 - Dakota Tedder 83
60 - Jake Canada 83
61 - Michael Lieb 79
62 - Anthony Rodriguez 78
63 - Chris Blose 78
64 - AJ Catanzaro 76
65 - Scott Champion 71
66 - Chris Allgridge 64
67 - Dean Ferris 63
68 Christian Craig 61
69 - Ronnie Stewart 58
70 - Nicholas Schmidt 55
71 - Cole Martinez 51
72 - Blake Wharton 51
73 - Gannon Audette 48
74 - Evgeny Mikhaylov 45
75 - Zach Williams 45
76 - Justin Starling 42
77 - Preston Mull 41
78 - Jace Owen 40
79 - RJ Hampshire 37
80 - Tommy Weeck 35
81 - Jacob Baumert 35
82 - Levi Kilbarger 35
83 - Jesse Wentland 34
84 - Landon Powell 33
85 - Zack Freeberg 32
86 - Cody Gilmore 31
87 - Dakota Alix 28
88 - Brady Kiesel 26
89 - Topher Ingalls 25
90 - Chris Howell 23
91 - Cade Clason 22
92 - Dillon Epstein 21
93 - Nick Gaines 21
94 - Sean Collier 21
95 - Darryn Durham 21
96 - Gavin Faith 20
97 - Paul Coates 19
98 - Tommy Hahn 18
99 - Brad Nauditt 18
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9/24/2014 11:12pm
TDeath21 wrote:
I have never thought 250 champions should be given single digit numbers. I do believe if you win a 250 championship of any kind, you should...
I have never thought 250 champions should be given single digit numbers. I do believe if you win a 250 championship of any kind, you should be able to pick any available two digit number though.
Totally agree. I think the rule was a bit shortsighted.
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9/25/2014 1:20am
MXerDW wrote:
This is how it would look if they did the #'s the old school style. I used this years total points as they score them now...
This is how it would look if they did the #'s the old school style. I used this years total points as they score them now.

So using the old # system with the new way they score total points, they would have Martin, Webb, Bogle, and Bageet still getting single digit #'s for 2015

1 - 450SX: Ryan Villopoto
1 - 250SX West: Jason Anderson
1 - 250SX East: Justin Bogle
1 - 450MX: Ken Roczen
1 - 250MX: Jeremy Martin

2 - Ryan Dungey 822
3 - Ken Roczen 817
4 - Jeremy Martin 596
5 - Cooper Webb 562
6 - Justin Bogle 556
7 - Trey Canard 545
8 - Blake Baggett 541
9 - Andrew Short 520
10 - James Stewart 498
11 - Cole Seely 484
12 - Jason Anderson 469
14 - Dean Wilson 440
15 - Eli Tomac 434
16 - Weston Peick 410
17 - Marvin Musquin 408
18 - Ryan Villopoto 368
19 - Jessy Nelson 367
20 - Josh Grant 357
21 - Christophe Pourcel 355
22 - Justin Brayton 351
23 - Brett Metcalfe 334
24 - Alex Martin 320
25 - Justin Hill 309
26 - Chad Reed 309
27 - Justin Barcia 302
28 - Malcolm Stewart 266
29 - Kyle Cunningham 244
30 - Matt Goerke 224
31 - Joey Savatgy 221
32 - Matt Bisceglia 218
33 - Fredrik Noren 207
34 - Shane McElrath 199
35 - Ben LaMay 184
36 - Matt Lemoine 181
37 - Jake Weimer 166
38 - Zach Osborne 166
39 - Zach Bell 166
40 - Vince Friese 161
41 - Josh Hill 159
42 - Phil Nicoletti 154
43 - Martin Davalos 149
44 - Broc Tickle 126
45 - Mike Alessi 123
46 - Wil Hahn 122
47 - Jimmy Decotis 120
48 - Adam Cianciarulo 120
49 - Mitchell Oldenburg 119
50 - Jimmy Albertson 119
51 - Ryan Sipes 116
52 - Nick Wey 111
53 - Kyle Peters 105
54 - Ivan Tedesco 102
55 - Kyle Chisholm 90
56 - Cole Thompson 89
57 - Jackson Richardson 85
58 - Kellian Rusk 85
59 - Dakota Tedder 83
60 - Jake Canada 83
61 - Michael Lieb 79
62 - Anthony Rodriguez 78
63 - Chris Blose 78
64 - AJ Catanzaro 76
65 - Scott Champion 71
66 - Chris Allgridge 64
67 - Dean Ferris 63
68 Christian Craig 61
69 - Ronnie Stewart 58
70 - Nicholas Schmidt 55
71 - Cole Martinez 51
72 - Blake Wharton 51
73 - Gannon Audette 48
74 - Evgeny Mikhaylov 45
75 - Zach Williams 45
76 - Justin Starling 42
77 - Preston Mull 41
78 - Jace Owen 40
79 - RJ Hampshire 37
80 - Tommy Weeck 35
81 - Jacob Baumert 35
82 - Levi Kilbarger 35
83 - Jesse Wentland 34
84 - Landon Powell 33
85 - Zack Freeberg 32
86 - Cody Gilmore 31
87 - Dakota Alix 28
88 - Brady Kiesel 26
89 - Topher Ingalls 25
90 - Chris Howell 23
91 - Cade Clason 22
92 - Dillon Epstein 21
93 - Nick Gaines 21
94 - Sean Collier 21
95 - Darryn Durham 21
96 - Gavin Faith 20
97 - Paul Coates 19
98 - Tommy Hahn 18
99 - Brad Nauditt 18
Except wouldn't you score 250s and 450s separate?

I really don't care either way, I do think if they wanna run a 3 digit they should...

And the national 250 title should carry weight.

I'm more annoyed that the 250 supercrosses count for national numbers now. That's gay.
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9/25/2014 4:53am
MXerDW wrote:
This is how it would look if they did the #'s the old school style. I used this years total points as they score them now...
This is how it would look if they did the #'s the old school style. I used this years total points as they score them now.

So using the old # system with the new way they score total points, they would have Martin, Webb, Bogle, and Bageet still getting single digit #'s for 2015

1 - 450SX: Ryan Villopoto
1 - 250SX West: Jason Anderson
1 - 250SX East: Justin Bogle
1 - 450MX: Ken Roczen
1 - 250MX: Jeremy Martin

2 - Ryan Dungey 822
3 - Ken Roczen 817
4 - Jeremy Martin 596
5 - Cooper Webb 562
6 - Justin Bogle 556
7 - Trey Canard 545
8 - Blake Baggett 541
9 - Andrew Short 520
10 - James Stewart 498
11 - Cole Seely 484
12 - Jason Anderson 469
14 - Dean Wilson 440
15 - Eli Tomac 434
16 - Weston Peick 410
17 - Marvin Musquin 408
18 - Ryan Villopoto 368
19 - Jessy Nelson 367
20 - Josh Grant 357
21 - Christophe Pourcel 355
22 - Justin Brayton 351
23 - Brett Metcalfe 334
24 - Alex Martin 320
25 - Justin Hill 309
26 - Chad Reed 309
27 - Justin Barcia 302
28 - Malcolm Stewart 266
29 - Kyle Cunningham 244
30 - Matt Goerke 224
31 - Joey Savatgy 221
32 - Matt Bisceglia 218
33 - Fredrik Noren 207
34 - Shane McElrath 199
35 - Ben LaMay 184
36 - Matt Lemoine 181
37 - Jake Weimer 166
38 - Zach Osborne 166
39 - Zach Bell 166
40 - Vince Friese 161
41 - Josh Hill 159
42 - Phil Nicoletti 154
43 - Martin Davalos 149
44 - Broc Tickle 126
45 - Mike Alessi 123
46 - Wil Hahn 122
47 - Jimmy Decotis 120
48 - Adam Cianciarulo 120
49 - Mitchell Oldenburg 119
50 - Jimmy Albertson 119
51 - Ryan Sipes 116
52 - Nick Wey 111
53 - Kyle Peters 105
54 - Ivan Tedesco 102
55 - Kyle Chisholm 90
56 - Cole Thompson 89
57 - Jackson Richardson 85
58 - Kellian Rusk 85
59 - Dakota Tedder 83
60 - Jake Canada 83
61 - Michael Lieb 79
62 - Anthony Rodriguez 78
63 - Chris Blose 78
64 - AJ Catanzaro 76
65 - Scott Champion 71
66 - Chris Allgridge 64
67 - Dean Ferris 63
68 Christian Craig 61
69 - Ronnie Stewart 58
70 - Nicholas Schmidt 55
71 - Cole Martinez 51
72 - Blake Wharton 51
73 - Gannon Audette 48
74 - Evgeny Mikhaylov 45
75 - Zach Williams 45
76 - Justin Starling 42
77 - Preston Mull 41
78 - Jace Owen 40
79 - RJ Hampshire 37
80 - Tommy Weeck 35
81 - Jacob Baumert 35
82 - Levi Kilbarger 35
83 - Jesse Wentland 34
84 - Landon Powell 33
85 - Zack Freeberg 32
86 - Cody Gilmore 31
87 - Dakota Alix 28
88 - Brady Kiesel 26
89 - Topher Ingalls 25
90 - Chris Howell 23
91 - Cade Clason 22
92 - Dillon Epstein 21
93 - Nick Gaines 21
94 - Sean Collier 21
95 - Darryn Durham 21
96 - Gavin Faith 20
97 - Paul Coates 19
98 - Tommy Hahn 18
99 - Brad Nauditt 18
Man I like that! Wish they still did it that way...

Short number 9! Cool
9/25/2014 5:07am
BobPA wrote:
I don't think the riders care about that anymore. It is more of like a nascar deal with numbers now anyway with the career number system...
I don't think the riders care about that anymore. It is more of like a nascar deal with numbers now anyway with the career number system and all.
For the record, NASCAR does not issue career numbers to drivers: the numbers are picked up by teams, largely through seniority. When Dale Jr. was at his Dad's team, he was 8, his grandpa's number. He tried to buy it from his stepmother when he left the team but they couldn't make a deal. So he picked 88.

I think most people think NASCAR has career numbers because people like Jeff Gordon have been with one team their whole career. But in the Hendrick stable at the other end of the spectrum, the 25 car (now 88 with Dale coming - part of the deal) has had: Richmond, Hendrick, Schrader, Craven, Bodine, Sprague,Dallenbach, LaJoie, Nadeau, Nemechek, Vickers, Mears, Earnhardt Jr, and Smith in the seat.

A current example is Tony Stewart, who was in the 20 car at JGR and now is in his own team car in the 14. Kenseth is now in the 20 car.

Teams own the numbers and drivers change numbers as they change teams. This could be an interesting model for moto, too. The factory bikes should get the low numbers. The number and team are the brand, and drivers that fit that brand are retained.
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9/25/2014 5:14am
Anyone that thinks the 250 class is not deserving should look at the damage Tomac and Roczen did in their first full year.
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9/25/2014 6:51am
Lord, I wish this new moon would pass. Pinch
9/25/2014 6:55am
Danster wrote:
Every time I see the number four of Blake Baggett racing Supercross in the part-time west/east 250 (SX2) Supercross series, I can't think that he's the...
Every time I see the number four of Blake Baggett racing Supercross
in the part-time west/east 250 (SX2) Supercross series, I can't think that he's
the forth fastest Supercross rider in the world.
Now add Jeremy Martin's number six who couldn't even qualify for
a couple east coast 250 (SX2) Supercross races this year.
Once again, No 250f rider should receive a single digit number for racing
part-time Supercross.
I think its a kick in the face to all the top 450 riders that deserve lower numbers
then the 250 riders, Don't get me wrong... I'm a fan of Blake and Jeremy
(who's going to kick-ass this weekend at Des Nations) but its not right.
Do you think that Pourcel is the 377th fastest rider?
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9/25/2014 7:00am
I remember when I was first getting into motos in the 90's and how cool it would was to see the new numbers people earned. Then the questions came from my family who were into moto, but did not follow the new numbers as closely. The coolness of new numbers quickly faded when I had to explain to my Dad every single race on who was number so and so, and then he'd say I thought he was so and so last year.

The general population is my dad, or even worse because they don't know who 1/3 of the riders even are without numbers. The career numbers has given people the opportunity to market themselves and be instantly recognizable regardless of what brand they are on. I like it and I certainly think 250 outdoor champs have every right to pick any number available.
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9/25/2014 7:14am
I think something needs to change . I don't like the current # system at all jmo

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