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The USA Ryder cup Team finally won after a 4 year drought over the week it got me noticing some major differences between this event and the MXdN.
The Ryder cup team had guy's fighting to get on the Team and even showing up to help after not being picked for the Team.
The USA MXdN Team gives off the Vibe of Who's turn is it and I'm not really up for it let someone else go and race.
The whole Industry and all the riders either need to commit 100% or stop going, it is either important or it is not.
I have no issue with any Team we have sent or how they did, I just take issue with the overall vibe.
Ricky Carmichael made this event important for his era , The torch needs to stay lit.
The Ryder cup team had guy's fighting to get on the Team and even showing up to help after not being picked for the Team.
The USA MXdN Team gives off the Vibe of Who's turn is it and I'm not really up for it let someone else go and race.
The whole Industry and all the riders either need to commit 100% or stop going, it is either important or it is not.
I have no issue with any Team we have sent or how they did, I just take issue with the overall vibe.
Ricky Carmichael made this event important for his era , The torch needs to stay lit.
You don't want someone there, that doesn't want to be there. No matter how much of a 'star' they are, or how much of a 'fan boi' you or others are of them. You can't force interest.
Golf....... There's a hell of a lot of difference between a fancy set of clubs, and a Motorcycle(s). And, getting either of them, and their 'support' to the events. Yes, I know it's more than that simplistic comparison, but Golf and Motocross......... As they say, the best use of a golf course, is as an Motocross track.
My mates and I, did just that with the golf course that wends through our little suburb, when we were young. And, it was largely tolerated, as we had the sense to not carve up the Ts or the Greens. I still use one stretch of grassed downhill, that has about 30 rolling whoops up the fairway, and out into the 'rough', for 4x and DH bike suspension set up.
That's what happened to Anderson!
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I think it would be more funny if it was a person from the crowd, Weekend hacker.
Then they need a set way to fund this venture every year. Part of every Supercross and every Outdoor National income needs to be put forth towards this one event.
USA either wants to be in this or they don't, it's time to make a choice and stop wondering how it's going to be every year.
The USA could benefit from some sort of counsel or task force or shit can it.
golfers don't risk life and limb with each round...
also while the golfers do play for free, each of their colleges are donated $100,000.00 by the PGA. YS and GL getting rich on the riders that don't make a dime on this event is stupid... at a minimum YS and GL should cover cost but they don't so guys go take the risk for "pride"
I can only compare our guys to bull riders or NFL players in the fact that each time they participate in their chosen sport they can suffer major injury. Do you think an NFL player would play a game without pay? or bull rider riding in a rodeo for no purse? of course not
I did not like his attitude at the time but as I have gotten older I tend to agree with him: CP377 said he would rather not ride than ride for too little money. Why? the risk is too high... that is from a guy that we can all agree has been there done that, not a key board warrior
I would say that one of the reasons , is that the sponsors of sport A see the value of their athletes competing in this type of event and the sponsors of sport B do not .
For example .... it is bizzare to me that Tomac's sponsors would rather have him at the USGP's than the MXDN . I just don't get their thinking ... If I was sponsoring a rider , the one race that I really hope he makes it to , would be the MXDN . ROI wise it's a no brainer for me .... but what do I know .
Why they don't is beyond me .
Gear companies for example . EVERY year before the MXDN there is a thread on vital , showing off the gear that different riders from different nations will be wearing . Why wouldn't you want to be a part of that ?? I have never seen potential customers getting excited about products for any other races like they do for the MXDN . Go to Mx media sites from different countries and you will see close up shots of HELMETS of their riders in the race reports , for gawds sake . That doesn't happen for other races .
If exposure is the name of the game .... the MXDN delivers like no other .
I think it just came down to what Tomac was willing to do.
Simple as that - no condemnation from me. He did a couple of MXDNs, and missed out on the adulation shown to the winners, and probably coped a fair amount of flack from a few dickheads, and probably had enough. Move on, select riders untill you get one that Wants to go. That's how it (should) work.
Two totally different sports. Well, ones a good way to spoil a nice walk, as far as I'm concerned, and I grew up with it all around me, literally. The other, is one of the greatest sports ever devised.
No 'every two years', and every second in the US.
That's just pandering to what 'you' want.
Our sport has been manipulated too much already.
I don't give a damn about how golf does things, it bears no relationship to Motocross.
That Luongo is the one that makes a massive amount from the MXDN is a crime - well, the way some of his accomplices within the FIM gave him the 'ownership' of World MX was the first part of a continuing crime. Luongo / Youthstream, are a virus within the sport.
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To me the MXdN should be a bi-annual event. Ran by a committee of promoters and teams within each series. Hell give Red Bull the opportunity to sponsor the US rounds (every 4yrs) and Monster the Euro events. Seems to me that alone would increase the competition between the sponsors...
Red Bull ... More Cowbell - Monster. .. Strippers !!!
How much does he make?
Rick Johnson said in the studio show that it was in his factory Honda contract to do the races they wanted,the MXDN if he was picked.
How do US riders get paid for SX for example,is it per race or are they on a salary to do the series? Win bonuses should apply to every race,I would expect Cairoli gets something for example and KTM would expect him to do the MXdN
I will say this. In the past several years, many of the American golfers have complained quite a bit about the Ryder Cup. Not getting paid was only one of their complaints. The fact that it was a week long event in which they were required to spend much more time in front of the media and all the other festivities was another. There were more reasons stated. I believe what you've seen in recent Ryder Cup's for the Americans is the fact there has been an influx of young blood. Give the event a little longer and we'll see how enthusiastic these kids are.
This is in no way a slight on the European athletes or fans. If anything, it's the other way around, but even the European commentators at the Ryder Cup said that these events mean way more to them than us. People have the right to dispute this, but these aren't my remarks. These guys justified their comments by stating how the European media begins focusing on the forthcoming Ryder Cup (in two years) almost immediately after that years event concludes.
Most European fans here can't imagine this mentality and I suppose they have every right. You would think that everyone would jump at that opportunity, but I've said it before (not that my opinion means anything). For many of the American riders that participate in 2 yearly series as grueling as they are, I see why they aren't overly excited by the MXdesN. They have to travel. They have to deal with all the media circus. They don't get paid. They take a huge chance of sustaining injury which will hinder their upcoming preparation. Possibly for some time.
It isn't that I like this mentality, but I certainly get it.
it's not about Golf or Motorcycles, or when the events are ran. it's about the difference between all the support and the desire of all the top players to be there (Golf) vs some of the top guy's trying to get out of it. (MX)
Team Captain should get 100k
Second 450 rider should get 75k
250 rider should get 50k
That's pretty small potatoes in the overall big picture of what these guys get paid from their sponsors.
These races are obviously not in their contracts and that is why the riders are able to turn it down. They are not contractually obligated to do the MXDN and their is zero financial incentive to race this race.
It's only fair to pay France,Netherlands etc too.
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