Reed's F'ed local government strikes again.

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Edited Date/Time 2/13/2014 9:19am
Just went through this with a local private track here and now the next county over screw's Reed.

http://tbo.com/pasco-county/injunction-limits-pasco-motocross-starx2019…
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Reed has fault in this also, he was OK with the MX track but when he built the paved kart track he was in violation.
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burnside 8/15/2013 2:39pm
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Damn.. when it rains it pours for Reed!
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This crap has been going on for a while, but it obviously went in a bad direction for Chad. One can have plenty of opinions, and he's a fellow rider but for me seems he really screwed up, and I picture the pain for his neighbors forced being part of his personal pleasure. Should have staid within those 4 acres he was allowed to play in...
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dboivin 8/15/2013 2:51pm
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if i was chad i would pack up and take my tax money somewhere else. Smile stupid county.

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fcr 8/15/2013 2:57pm
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I like the responses below the article, It was turned into a North vs South argument in about 4 comments.
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Chad has deep pockets...if I were him, I'd just keep doing what I do and consider the fees/tickets/penalties a cost of doing business.
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Or, Reed should take a page out of RV's playbook and buy your neighbors stuff all the time. (I seem to remember a video posted here where RV's neighbor was saying RV bought him a truck and pays for his satellite TV...the neighbor said that he has to be careful and not mention that he wants something with RV around, or RV will go out and buy it for him).
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dboivin wrote:
if i was chad i would pack up and take my tax money somewhere else. Smile stupid county.
Agreed
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Titan1 wrote:
Or, Reed should take a page out of RV's playbook and buy your neighbors stuff all the time. (I seem to remember a video posted here...
Or, Reed should take a page out of RV's playbook and buy your neighbors stuff all the time. (I seem to remember a video posted here where RV's neighbor was saying RV bought him a truck and pays for his satellite TV...the neighbor said that he has to be careful and not mention that he wants something with RV around, or RV will go out and buy it for him).
That was in RV's movie and I dont think he buys all his neighbours stuff haha I think hes pretty close to one of his neighbours and the guy looks after his property for him when hes away or something like that.
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Titan1 wrote:
Or, Reed should take a page out of RV's playbook and buy your neighbors stuff all the time. (I seem to remember a video posted here...
Or, Reed should take a page out of RV's playbook and buy your neighbors stuff all the time. (I seem to remember a video posted here where RV's neighbor was saying RV bought him a truck and pays for his satellite TV...the neighbor said that he has to be careful and not mention that he wants something with RV around, or RV will go out and buy it for him).
I remember that also. Wasn't that on the "2 be Continued" movie. His neighbor was an older guy. Sounded pretty rad on RV's part.
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Jakes Dad 8/15/2013 4:11pm
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This is what has happened to the guy here about 25 minutes from me, Jake rode there for 5 years. After him fighting the county all he did was piss them off more and they started handed out fines. Almost $90K so far!! So Chad be prepared, I say fold em' before it cost you like this guy. Both these tracks are about 30 minutes from each other. Chad used to ride his bicycle over and give JT$ a hard time when he was riding there. And knew things were going south here at this place.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/localgovernment/motocross-track-in-southea…
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I am siding with Chad on this one. After all the taxes and fees and crap they make you pay to own property only for them to come in and tell you what you can and cant do? If you let them start telling you what to do on your own property it is a gradual slide.

Chad should be allowed to do whatever he wants to do within the guidelines of zoning and curfews (as defined at his time of purchase).

After that too bad.
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shortcourse 8/15/2013 5:06pm
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Reedy SELL it to a pig farmer......they'll really like the smell!
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mx 219 8/15/2013 5:14pm
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Who here works for Environmental Protection??

okay...yeah, my dad does. Plain and simple there are rules, you have to follow rules. Reed is not above the law, he acted like he was by not getting permits to change his property. If you are going to do ANYTHING on your property you need to get it okayed with the township, county, or state.

This is the same for any one of us...we can put a personal track on our property without going to the township, but if enough people in your township or county complain the township or county can change rules for what you can OR can not do on your property. Does it suck, yeah, but if you go about it the right way you will most likely have less problems.

Personally, I dont know why Reed didnt buy at least 100 acres or so and put his track right in the middle of it. My family owns 66 acres (which was originally 130 when we purchased it) and let me tell you 60 acres isnt even big enough for a large national track, especially if you are going to be riding all the time. Even 130 acres isnt really big enough unless it is surrounded by trees.
StephanieMitchell789 8/15/2013 5:22pm
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> the township or county can change
> rules for what you can OR can not
> do on your property.

Let's hear it for Big Government!

Wait until the US becomes as socialist as we are in Canada. Its even worse here. You don't own land here, you basically rent it from the govt, even if your name is on the deed.

You guys in the US are on your way!

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Titan1 wrote:
Or, Reed should take a page out of RV's playbook and buy your neighbors stuff all the time. (I seem to remember a video posted here...
Or, Reed should take a page out of RV's playbook and buy your neighbors stuff all the time. (I seem to remember a video posted here where RV's neighbor was saying RV bought him a truck and pays for his satellite TV...the neighbor said that he has to be careful and not mention that he wants something with RV around, or RV will go out and buy it for him).
smart move by RV lol
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Alot of private tracks are built on small tracts of land. How big is Chads place? My track is on 50 acres and i couldnt believe how far the sound traveled. A track built on 10-15 acres with neighbors near by is doomed from the start. Communication can go far like riding certain times and just a few bikes at a time, but we all know how neighbors are sometimes it just doesn't matter. You really can't blame them tho, if a track is close to their home. Like i said communication from the start can help.
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Preston412 8/15/2013 6:23pm
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Dirt bagger, this has nothing to do with the EPA. Further more, government can't not make up laws or ordinances to stop something from continuing unless it is ruled illegal and must apply to all. Otherwise, those already in the right are grandfathered in but it does not transfer when the land is transferred or sold.

I am going through this now with my property, Let me try to enlighten you all. How is the property zoned? If zoned agriculture, then you have to request a review from the county zoning department along with the agriculture department because it will no longer be used for agricultural propose and that portion of the land is no longer tax exempt.
If zoned open rural and a special use permit is issued then it only applies to a portion of the property that was stated on the application and a permit is only needed if it is used as a training facility.
Regardless of zoning, you must apply for a permit when building a infrastructure and asphalt is considered a infrastructure.
I told my planning and zoning department that I was going to build a track and they said it is something they don't need to know about unless it goes beyond private use.
Keep your neighbors happy happy happy and the county won't know or care.
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The Rock 8/15/2013 6:25pm
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lostboy819 wrote:
Reed has fault in this also, he was OK with the MX track but when he built the paved kart track he was in violation.
While I occasional employ the "it is easier to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission" tactic when it comes to dealing with "city hall" you should normally get permission first. He PO'd them when he built the go kart track and now they're gunning for payback is my take.

I just hope he doesn't lose the ability to ride on his two replica indoor tracks when this is all said and done.
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lostboy819 8/15/2013 6:32pm
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40Plus_922mx wrote:
I am siding with Chad on this one. After all the taxes and fees and crap they make you pay to own property only for them...
I am siding with Chad on this one. After all the taxes and fees and crap they make you pay to own property only for them to come in and tell you what you can and cant do? If you let them start telling you what to do on your own property it is a gradual slide.

Chad should be allowed to do whatever he wants to do within the guidelines of zoning and curfews (as defined at his time of purchase).

After that too bad.
Reed did have all the proper permits and had a conditional use permit for the Motocross and Supercross track. Where he screwed up is he built a paved kart track with out the proper permits and now they are taking away the conditional use permit for the MX tracks. There was a big story on this a few months back and it sounds like he was good to go had he not built the kart track.
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mx 219 wrote:
Who here works for Environmental Protection?? okay...yeah, my dad does. Plain and simple there are rules, you have to follow rules. Reed is not above the...
Who here works for Environmental Protection??

okay...yeah, my dad does. Plain and simple there are rules, you have to follow rules. Reed is not above the law, he acted like he was by not getting permits to change his property. If you are going to do ANYTHING on your property you need to get it okayed with the township, county, or state.

This is the same for any one of us...we can put a personal track on our property without going to the township, but if enough people in your township or county complain the township or county can change rules for what you can OR can not do on your property. Does it suck, yeah, but if you go about it the right way you will most likely have less problems.

Personally, I dont know why Reed didnt buy at least 100 acres or so and put his track right in the middle of it. My family owns 66 acres (which was originally 130 when we purchased it) and let me tell you 60 acres isnt even big enough for a large national track, especially if you are going to be riding all the time. Even 130 acres isnt really big enough unless it is surrounded by trees.
Environmental protection is stupid.
https://youtu.be/BB0aFPXr4n4?rel=0
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lostboy819 8/15/2013 6:35pm
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lostboy819 wrote:
Reed has fault in this also, he was OK with the MX track but when he built the paved kart track he was in violation.
The Rock wrote:
While I occasional employ the "it is easier to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission" tactic when it comes to dealing with "city hall" you...
While I occasional employ the "it is easier to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission" tactic when it comes to dealing with "city hall" you should normally get permission first. He PO'd them when he built the go kart track and now they're gunning for payback is my take.

I just hope he doesn't lose the ability to ride on his two replica indoor tracks when this is all said and done.
I agree ,unfortunately it sounds like the county is going after his MX and SX track because of the Kart track. I say they are within reason to go after the Kart track but being vindictive by going after the other tracks.
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mx 219 8/15/2013 6:37pm
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Preston412 wrote:
Dirt bagger, this has nothing to do with the EPA. Further more, government can't not make up laws or ordinances to stop something from continuing unless...
Dirt bagger, this has nothing to do with the EPA. Further more, government can't not make up laws or ordinances to stop something from continuing unless it is ruled illegal and must apply to all. Otherwise, those already in the right are grandfathered in but it does not transfer when the land is transferred or sold.

I am going through this now with my property, Let me try to enlighten you all. How is the property zoned? If zoned agriculture, then you have to request a review from the county zoning department along with the agriculture department because it will no longer be used for agricultural propose and that portion of the land is no longer tax exempt.
If zoned open rural and a special use permit is issued then it only applies to a portion of the property that was stated on the application and a permit is only needed if it is used as a training facility.
Regardless of zoning, you must apply for a permit when building a infrastructure and asphalt is considered a infrastructure.
I told my planning and zoning department that I was going to build a track and they said it is something they don't need to know about unless it goes beyond private use.
Keep your neighbors happy happy happy and the county won't know or care.
my point was I have an idea as to why he is getting crap, because he didnt go after the permits for uses and changing the land (adding the tracks).

Did Reed get a permit for the go-cart track? What about to expand from 24 acres? I believe no for both, so rightfully so he should be getting flack.


Oh and yes, if they get enough complaints the township or county can and likely will change the uses of your property.

We have 3 little tracks on different properties within an hour of my house that were shut down due to this...they were right out along the road for people to see, which is the biggest problem and easiest way to get shut down.
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mx 219 8/15/2013 6:39pm
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mx 219 wrote:
Who here works for Environmental Protection?? okay...yeah, my dad does. Plain and simple there are rules, you have to follow rules. Reed is not above the...
Who here works for Environmental Protection??

okay...yeah, my dad does. Plain and simple there are rules, you have to follow rules. Reed is not above the law, he acted like he was by not getting permits to change his property. If you are going to do ANYTHING on your property you need to get it okayed with the township, county, or state.

This is the same for any one of us...we can put a personal track on our property without going to the township, but if enough people in your township or county complain the township or county can change rules for what you can OR can not do on your property. Does it suck, yeah, but if you go about it the right way you will most likely have less problems.

Personally, I dont know why Reed didnt buy at least 100 acres or so and put his track right in the middle of it. My family owns 66 acres (which was originally 130 when we purchased it) and let me tell you 60 acres isnt even big enough for a large national track, especially if you are going to be riding all the time. Even 130 acres isnt really big enough unless it is surrounded by trees.
Grizz wrote:
Environmental protection is stupid.
https://youtu.be/BB0aFPXr4n4?rel=0
Technically my dad doesnt work for DEP...he is a contractor for them. He tests land to see if people can build on undeveloped land, perk tests, inspections to sand mounds, etc.


Personally, I think we should be able to do whatever we want on our property, but the rules are rules. Get caught not abiding by them you deserve to be punished.
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mx 219 wrote:
Technically my dad doesnt work for DEP...he is a contractor for them. He tests land to see if people can build on undeveloped land, perk tests...
Technically my dad doesnt work for DEP...he is a contractor for them. He tests land to see if people can build on undeveloped land, perk tests, inspections to sand mounds, etc.


Personally, I think we should be able to do whatever we want on our property, but the rules are rules. Get caught not abiding by them you deserve to be punished.
I'm glad your dad has a job and I see what you're saying.
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mx 219 wrote:
my point was I have an idea as to why he is getting crap, because he didnt go after the permits for uses and changing the...
my point was I have an idea as to why he is getting crap, because he didnt go after the permits for uses and changing the land (adding the tracks).

Did Reed get a permit for the go-cart track? What about to expand from 24 acres? I believe no for both, so rightfully so he should be getting flack.


Oh and yes, if they get enough complaints the township or county can and likely will change the uses of your property.

We have 3 little tracks on different properties within an hour of my house that were shut down due to this...they were right out along the road for people to see, which is the biggest problem and easiest way to get shut down.
Not going to make this a argument but the county can not change the use(zoning) of your property after you bought it, regardless of the number of complaints. Only the owner can request a change in zoning.

Tracks along a highway or road can be a distraction and the county can only make you put up a privacy fence or buffer if property is zoned open rural. Keep in mind that even private tracks can be deemed a training facility if there is constant use of it by friends
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Preston412 wrote:
Not going to make this a argument but the county can not change the use(zoning) of your property after you bought it, regardless of the number...
Not going to make this a argument but the county can not change the use(zoning) of your property after you bought it, regardless of the number of complaints. Only the owner can request a change in zoning.

Tracks along a highway or road can be a distraction and the county can only make you put up a privacy fence or buffer if property is zoned open rural. Keep in mind that even private tracks can be deemed a training facility if there is constant use of it by friends
If a landowner is granted a "conditional use" permit (as Reed was) and doesn't adhere to the use that they requested the change for than the county can and will revoke the permit.

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