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Edited Date/Time 1/13/2014 3:23am
I'd sure like to know the rule here. In the LCQ Michael Leib hole shot and led for two of the 4 laps. AMA restated the race Michael went down and dnq. My interpretation of the rules is that half the race was over. Should have race over or single file restart if someone can find the rule I'd appreciate it. I did speak to toole and he would have nothing to do with it.
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Regis 1/11/2014 8:58pm
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I guess it matters if the red flag comes out before the completion of the second lap?
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bobby397 1/11/2014 8:59pm
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Thought the same thing and believe this happened last year but was restarted in single file
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Michael received the red flag at the start fin line at lap 2

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rmzrider91 1/11/2014 9:03pm
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After lap 3 its single file restart. If 90% of race is over its considered a race and is over.
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Regis 1/11/2014 9:07pm
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DL wrote:
Michael received the red flag at the start fin line at lap 2
think it is a judgement call, because the red flag came out a few turns before he got to the start/ finish line. On TV it looked like Michael and whoever was in second were still in race mode when flags were waving and he did the right thing by racing to the flag. I guess they consider the last lap completed in this situation.

Sucks all the way around. Such a bummer. He was in prime position and looking really good. Hopefully he will have some better luck next weekend.
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DownSouth 1/11/2014 9:07pm
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whiskeythrottle101 wrote:
yeah, i'm thinking it shoudl have been single file
DL said that Michael got the red flag at the finish line so it was out before the leader had finished 2 laps or 50% of the race. He would have to have already passed the finish before they decided to throw the red flag for it to go to single file.
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scott_nz 1/11/2014 9:37pm
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whiskeythrottle101 wrote:
yeah, i'm thinking it shoudl have been single file
DownSouth wrote:
DL said that Michael got the red flag at the finish line so it was out before the leader had finished 2 laps or 50% of...
DL said that Michael got the red flag at the finish line so it was out before the leader had finished 2 laps or 50% of the race. He would have to have already passed the finish before they decided to throw the red flag for it to go to single file.
yes but other riders had already got the flag so it goes back to the last completed lap,

and as they explained, up to lap 3 its a full restart,
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jndmx 1/11/2014 9:47pm
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Regis wrote:
think it is a judgement call, because the red flag came out a few turns before he got to the start/ finish line. On TV it...
think it is a judgement call, because the red flag came out a few turns before he got to the start/ finish line. On TV it looked like Michael and whoever was in second were still in race mode when flags were waving and he did the right thing by racing to the flag. I guess they consider the last lap completed in this situation.

Sucks all the way around. Such a bummer. He was in prime position and looking really good. Hopefully he will have some better luck next weekend.
Yep.....
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aaryn #234 1/11/2014 9:57pm
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They explained it on TV it was not a judgement call. Three laps have to be completed for a single file start.

Personally think that rules suck in though the biggest risk in the sport it the first turn. Single file re start should come into affect if a single lap is completed,

That sucked for Leib and a couple of other riders! Shitty deal for sure.
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EZZA 95B 1/11/2014 10:06pm
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Glad the guy is okay... I know my opinion doesn't mean much, but ML was clearly destined for the main, and rode great! We all know he would've been in the mix... Just unfortunate how things played out.
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MXD 1/11/2014 10:39pm
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DL, bummed for you guys but the correct call was made. The rule states that with less than 3 laps completed by the leader, it's a convential start from the original gates. 3 or more laps completed but less than 90% of the total laps is a single file restart and 90% or more is either a single file start or a called race. Even though the LCQ was only 4 laps, you still need to complete 3 to avoid the traditional start. There is no rule that states anything about "50%" of the race completed.
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thebleakness 1/11/2014 10:40pm
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We were seated right above that when it happened. When Doc(?) ran up to check him, he immediately motioned to one of the other asteriks guys who pulled out a red flag and started waving. Maybe it counts after its first waved? Either way, glad he got up from that, it was gnarly.
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slipdog 1/11/2014 11:10pm
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You guys and the French guys got the shaft!

It's my opinion that a red flag on the first lap should be a restart all else should be a stagger start.
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Travis_Hudson 1/11/2014 11:11pm
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slipdog wrote:
You guys and the French guys got the shaft! It's my opinion that a red flag on the first lap should be a restart all else...
You guys and the French guys got the shaft!

It's my opinion that a red flag on the first lap should be a restart all else should be a stagger start.
Bingo.

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EZZA 95B 1/11/2014 11:13pm
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Micheal Lieb looks awesome in his AXO gear, and on his Rocket Exhaust, Honda, too.Wink
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moto314 1/11/2014 11:39pm
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Yeah Michael rode great, just two bad breaks that were not his fault. Just glad he is ok and ready to rock A2!
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flarider 1/12/2014 7:04am
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My understanding is that from the moment the red flag is shown/waved is when the race is stopped, not when the leader passes the red flag.

Forgetting what lap it is in this race for a moment, let's pretend it was the initial lap, the start lap, prior to anyone passing the finish line and a red flag is shown/waved, that lap was never completed because the race was stopped at the moment the red flag waived.

So, in this instance, they began waiving the red flag PRIOR to the leaders passing the finish line to begin lap two, and therefore, only one lap of the race was completed.

If you go to the video, the announcers are mentioning the red flag before the leaders got to the finish line.
Therefore, the race was over before before the second lap completed
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Thelen20 1/12/2014 7:21am
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seems like it changes every year. That or it is just too complicated to remember. Staggered start after 3 laps in a 4 lap race? So if the red flag flies on lap 4 after the 3rd lap is completed are we gona stagger restart and turn it into a 5 lap race??? Or is the race over at 75 percent complete??? Or how many laps is 90 percent of 4 laps???

Rule is flawed imo
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Thelen20 1/12/2014 7:24am
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I say red flag before the first lap is complete should result in a gated restart. Any lap after that before half way, staggered restart. After half way point of any race, red flag is race over.
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500guy 1/12/2014 7:29am
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flarider wrote:
My understanding is that from the moment the red flag is shown/waved is when the race is stopped, not when the leader passes the red flag...
My understanding is that from the moment the red flag is shown/waved is when the race is stopped, not when the leader passes the red flag.

Forgetting what lap it is in this race for a moment, let's pretend it was the initial lap, the start lap, prior to anyone passing the finish line and a red flag is shown/waved, that lap was never completed because the race was stopped at the moment the red flag waived.

So, in this instance, they began waiving the red flag PRIOR to the leaders passing the finish line to begin lap two, and therefore, only one lap of the race was completed.

If you go to the video, the announcers are mentioning the red flag before the leaders got to the finish line.
Therefore, the race was over before before the second lap completed
That Kid went down and the Medic got on His Radio right away and told them to shut it down. The race was over.
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smrscott 1/13/2014 12:32am
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What I saw was that when the leaders went by the down rider, the officials were waving them off as if it was a red flag but nobody at that part of the track had a red flag - but they were giving the riders hand across the throat sign to signal to shut it down but the yellow and red cross flags were flying as well. Leib raced to the the checkered but most of the riders had pulled off or stopped racing by then. It is a total bummer since it was a short race - to be fair a single file start would have been the call since so many things can happen during a restart in a very short race. It could have gone either way - but now you can't unscramble what already happened.
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jamma10 1/13/2014 1:29am
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I was absolutely gutted for Leib, Teillet and the other guy who had all gapped the rest of the field before the red flag.

As soon as the red flags came out you pretty much knew they would all suffer from having to restart, its almost a given Sad
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EZZA 95B 1/13/2014 3:23am
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jamma10 wrote:
I was absolutely gutted for Leib, Teillet and the other guy who had all gapped the rest of the field before the red flag. As soon...
I was absolutely gutted for Leib, Teillet and the other guy who had all gapped the rest of the field before the red flag.

As soon as the red flags came out you pretty much knew they would all suffer from having to restart, its almost a given Sad
Yep... The red flag was scary, but the rest was a real bummer too.Sad
Good on the other guys who got a chance to make it through, though!

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