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5/2/2012 12:56am
5/2/2012 12:56am
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5/3/2012 7:38am
Tested another bike and realized my suspension needs to be tuned, and just wonder how you would set the rear high/low-speed and rebound if the standard setting makes rear kick up, kind of inducing an endo. Sag x 2, and spring is set properly.
I was thinking of going less on rebound, and softer on both high/low speed? I'm off?
I was thinking of going less on rebound, and softer on both high/low speed? I'm off?
low speed comp is mainly g-outs from corners and power on periods, you can also attribute this setting to braking bumps as not much of the travel is engaged - short successive hits = short amounts of travel.
do you have separate hi and low speed rebound or just one dial?
if you have just the one rebound dial then it's sounding too fast and in addition you may have your low speed comp too hard, don't make the rebound too slow though or the shock will not return and will just get rough and feel like shit over busy/successive bumps.
if i were you i would knock a click off my low speed comp and a couple from rebound - then hit a patch repeatedly and see if its stopped, if still too kicky repeat. if it feels good go and do a big hit to engage the hi speed element of the shock and see how it feels from deep in the travel also - only you can decide.
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Feels like going 2 clicks softer on high speed compression, or 2 clicks softer on rebound would be a good starter?
According Rughneck tips a while ago (when attacking whoops thread I made) seems I should go softer in genereal, and MXA indicates that as well (at least on their 2008 model). Maybe I should expect progress in that direction as well!
Suspension setup is never ending though. The high speed comp can make the rear ride lower or higher.......which doesn't make sense, but it can. Making the rear softer can make the front feel stiffer. Speeding up the rebound can make it feel bouncy and unpredictable. Sometimes too soft can make it ride in the stiffer part of the stroke and actually make it feel stiffer. Suspension is such a black art. I wish I knew a lot more.
Just a tip. Buy an Ohlins. Your from Sweden. Maybe you can get the "homey" discount. Lol. I got one for my 04 and the performance is just MIND-BOGGLINGLY better over the stocker. They just don't do anything wrong. Stuff will be coming up cheap now that your bikes a littler older.
I raced the YZ250F Stealth Pro I had built with a slipper clutch before giving the bike to MXA to test and it was by far the best handling bike I'd ever raced. Neezer at Fox Shox's fork revalve and their shock had a lot to do with it but I fell in love with the slipper clutch.
Unfortunately dynos and slipper clutches don't get along so I gave the clutch back to Hinson before MXA tested it.
Pit Row
Soft squishy suspension is faster 99% of the time. I don't care what the bike does over jumps, braking bumps and acceleration chop are what matters.
if its just kicking but you like it everywhere else, I would just go a little slower on the rebound, like two clicks.
Buy Race Techs suspension Bible so that you have a clear understanding of what is going on. Read it front to back and then you can get an idea of where your issues may be.
Also, whoever said slipper clutch needs to be shot. He hasn't even touched the clickers and you are having him buy a mega buck clutch.
The low speed one turns as well when turning the high speed? I assume that one is set towards the high speed position, and not the the overall turn?
The bike actually felt a bit better as I didn't get any kicks, but felt a bit mushy, like an old Cadillac with crappy shocks, on the beat up straights...
I know how to go back to the standard settings Andy. Tnx for the input buddy!
Well, I'm going to give this some more try, will probably end up on the standard setting. But at least I tried!
Also suspension 101: If u fix one problem, you wil create another. It's all about balance and in what key part you want it better then in other parts. It's what you are willing to sacrifice to fix an issue. If you can manage to overcome one problem you create by fixing another problem, you found your perfect balance.
(For example: you can handle a bit over over/understear while gaining more stability on straights, don't mind the nervous rear when exiting a corner instead of kicking over bumps, etc)
On your issue, my suspension tech guide shows me ingoing damping to hard. Try to soften that up.
But it WIL affect other parts on the track, you'l have to try it out how mutch you want to reduce the kicks so you don't sacrifice to mutch on your current more comfortable parts.
I only related my experience with a slipper clutch end of story. Single biggest handling improvement I've ever experienced and if I was actively racing I would add one to my ride before I touched the motor, exhaust or suspension.
It also made the YZ250F feel like it was a two stroke the way it eliminated the engine breaking....at first I thought that would be an issue but I think it actually helped my corner speed.
Question: BAMX-Have you had the opportunity to check out a slipper clutch?
Lol "a full turn on the red thingy" Man , you won't find THAT in a Racetech manual. Funny shit buddy. That's huge. Likely resulting in the mushy feeling.
The Low Speed does turn with the Hi, yes. That setting is more to do with jump take off, landings and G-outs. Lower speed shock shaft movements. I rarely touch that one, once I get my bike dialed. My Hi-Speed gets changed depending on whether I'm on a whooped out sand track or a square edged curb hard pack track. Back my clicker out to absorb some of those rim bending hits. Have every kind of terrain here in a 40 mile radius. Big sandy whoops , square edge tooth rattling hard pack and loam as well. I never run the same settings on any track. Same for my forks.
Set everything back to stock and work your way from there. One question: How old is your oil? Did your bike sit all winter and you're riding on last years oil or you serviced the shock fresh this spring?
bike seems to highside try slowing down the rebound.
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