RX article concerning flaggers...

689 wrote:

I would have thought most people would have realized the person infront was going slow because of the flags. RV didnt seem to care, or maybe...

I would have thought most people would have realized the person infront was going slow because of the flags. RV didnt seem to care, or maybe he was worked up because James passed him in the corner before when the lights were flashing. Kinda seems like they were both in the wrong as far as I understand it.

bvm111 wrote:

is "muppet" some sort of weird aussie slang... like calling McDonalds "Mackers?" I dont disagree with what you are saying... just curious as I have seen...

is "muppet" some sort of weird aussie slang... like calling McDonalds "Mackers?"

I dont disagree with what you are saying... just curious as I have seen it said by a few of your fellow aussies over the past few days!

bvm111 wrote:

is "muppet" some sort of weird aussie slang... like calling McDonalds "Mackers?" I dont disagree with what you are saying... just curious as I have seen...

is "muppet" some sort of weird aussie slang... like calling McDonalds "Mackers?"

I dont disagree with what you are saying... just curious as I have seen it said by a few of your fellow aussies over the past few days!

Crush wrote:

Muppet is literally like the muppets... without brain, being controlled by some nameless face... we don't know who... Moto 726, I'm sure they're some who are...

Muppet is literally like the muppets... without brain, being controlled by some nameless face... we don't know who...

Moto 726, I'm sure they're some who are more trained, but if that's the case, then the yellow guys shouldn't have been waving em, only because the way the rules are written, the White and Red SHOULD overrule the yellow... Ie go with the one that is safety first...

They ruled that it was danger for only a metre, between the red/white and the yellows... Which is also ridiculous considering the downed rider Kiniry was even FURTHER down the track... It just makes no sense, like technically, ok, but really? That's what you're saying... Well then clean the flagging up so James and Davi know they've gotta go slow for the next metre and fuck common sense...

They fucked up, and didn't have the sack to stick to the rules or at the very least the ethics of the rules...

And I don't care that it was RV, you'll all remember I defended his off track move earlier this year cause he did the right thing...

TDeath21 wrote:

Just throwing an idea out right here. How about we get a different colored flag than all the rest that signifies the end of the danger...

Just throwing an idea out right here. How about we get a different colored flag than all the rest that signifies the end of the danger section and it's now okay to pass? That would end all controversy as to if it were legal or not. It's not illegal to gain on a rider during a red cross section. It's just illegal to pass. I don't know if this idea would work either, but it's a thought. As it is right now, there is no black and white rule that says when you can pass again. It's all rider judgement, which is impossible to penalize.

Crush wrote:

Yeah except theoretically you'd just go with having passed the danger... The flags, both yellow and red were preceding the rider, so you'd at least imagine...

Yeah except theoretically you'd just go with having passed the danger...

The flags, both yellow and red were preceding the rider, so you'd at least imagine that it was until the rider down position was passed...

And until then you'd also have to think that given the hierarchy of the flags the Red Cross white is the one that is obeyed until the incident is passed...

But then i'm not a retard.

bvm111 wrote:

is "muppet" some sort of weird aussie slang... like calling McDonalds "Mackers?" I dont disagree with what you are saying... just curious as I have seen...

is "muppet" some sort of weird aussie slang... like calling McDonalds "Mackers?"

I dont disagree with what you are saying... just curious as I have seen it said by a few of your fellow aussies over the past few days!

Crush wrote:

Muppet is literally like the muppets... without brain, being controlled by some nameless face... we don't know who... Moto 726, I'm sure they're some who are...

Muppet is literally like the muppets... without brain, being controlled by some nameless face... we don't know who...

Moto 726, I'm sure they're some who are more trained, but if that's the case, then the yellow guys shouldn't have been waving em, only because the way the rules are written, the White and Red SHOULD overrule the yellow... Ie go with the one that is safety first...

They ruled that it was danger for only a metre, between the red/white and the yellows... Which is also ridiculous considering the downed rider Kiniry was even FURTHER down the track... It just makes no sense, like technically, ok, but really? That's what you're saying... Well then clean the flagging up so James and Davi know they've gotta go slow for the next metre and fuck common sense...

They fucked up, and didn't have the sack to stick to the rules or at the very least the ethics of the rules...

And I don't care that it was RV, you'll all remember I defended his off track move earlier this year cause he did the right thing...

TDeath21 wrote:

I agree with the safety first philosophy. That should always be the case. Had Kiniry been laying there not getting up I might be more on...

I agree with the safety first philosophy. That should always be the case. Had Kiniry been laying there not getting up I might be more on the side of penalizing Villopoto. However, he was kick starting his bike. Really there shouldn't have been anyone around him at all at that point.

Hut wrote:

I agree with you here. But I think it's worth mentioning that a yellow flag doesn't mean go ahead and pass either. It is a caution...

I agree with you here. But I think it's worth mentioning that a yellow flag doesn't mean go ahead and pass either. It is a caution flag for a reason and the rule says use extreme caution.
They need a dictator with a set of balls to oversee these decisions!

Crush wrote:

Do you think RV or anyone in that situation has time to see if the rider is down or getting up or what? The flags should...

Do you think RV or anyone in that situation has time to see if the rider is down or getting up or what?

The flags should be the flags should be the rules should be the ruling...

Except this is the ama, where everything is by negotiation...

Ripper02 wrote:

Better question is why was the red cross flag even out when Kiniry was already up and starting his bike?

TDeath21 wrote:

I doubt he could see if Kiniry was down or up. Like I said before though, until there is a set end point as to where...

I doubt he could see if Kiniry was down or up. Like I said before though, until there is a set end point as to where the no passing area ends, there's not much Stewart can do about it. The rulebook has too many generalizations and gray areas. I do think though by the rulebook, this time Villopoto was in the clear.

TDeath21 wrote:

I doubt he could see if Kiniry was down or up. Like I said before though, until there is a set end point as to where...

I doubt he could see if Kiniry was down or up. Like I said before though, until there is a set end point as to where the no passing area ends, there's not much Stewart can do about it. The rulebook has too many generalizations and gray areas. I do think though by the rulebook, this time Villopoto was in the clear.

Hut wrote:

You don't need an end point, you do need an official with a set of balls, good judgement and authority to say you passed when the...

You don't need an end point, you do need an official with a set of balls, good judgement and authority to say you passed when the Red Cross flag was out and award a fitting penalty. 2 times in one moto should bring at least some sort of penalty, IMHO

TDeath21 wrote:

I think you do need an end point. Theoretically, once you're about ten feet away from the area of concern, you're basically in the clear. Is...

I think you do need an end point. Theoretically, once you're about ten feet away from the area of concern, you're basically in the clear. Is it when you both completely pass the downed rider? Is it when the section ends? It's not explained clearly. Yes common sense tells you whenever they're past the downed rider, but if that's the case, what Villopoto did was legal. Like I've said, according to the extremely gray and poorly worded AMA Rulebook, Villopoto is in the clear on this one. We can argue all we want about what we think should be right, but the only thing that matters is the official rules. That goes for everything in life.

TDeath21 wrote:

I think you do need an end point. Theoretically, once you're about ten feet away from the area of concern, you're basically in the clear. Is...

I think you do need an end point. Theoretically, once you're about ten feet away from the area of concern, you're basically in the clear. Is it when you both completely pass the downed rider? Is it when the section ends? It's not explained clearly. Yes common sense tells you whenever they're past the downed rider, but if that's the case, what Villopoto did was legal. Like I've said, according to the extremely gray and poorly worded AMA Rulebook, Villopoto is in the clear on this one. We can argue all we want about what we think should be right, but the only thing that matters is the official rules. That goes for everything in life.

Hut wrote:

RV was making that pass before they passed the downed rider.

TDeath21 wrote:

Just throwing an idea out right here. How about we get a different colored flag than all the rest that signifies the end of the danger...

Just throwing an idea out right here. How about we get a different colored flag than all the rest that signifies the end of the danger section and it's now okay to pass? That would end all controversy as to if it were legal or not. It's not illegal to gain on a rider during a red cross section. It's just illegal to pass. I don't know if this idea would work either, but it's a thought. As it is right now, there is no black and white rule that says when you can pass again. It's all rider judgement, which is impossible to penalize.